Enchi?

I bought this 'enchi' from Gie, a professional breeder from reptile express in belgium. But, a did get several comments that my enchi probable is not a enchi.
Here are some pics. Please tell me what you think of my ball python. Enchi or not?

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/q...o/P1310220.jpg
http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/q...o/P1310236.jpg
http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/q...o/P1310223.jpg
http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/q...o/P1310285.jpg
http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/q...o/P1310294.jpg
http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/q...o/P1310293.jpg

Great snake pics...Thanks for posting...

I'm sorry, but in those pictures, it does not look like an enchi. It also doesnt have the orange and pixelated look to it. Also, it is quite dark, but that isn't a disqualifier. Maybe some over top pictures, none of you holding him, so we can see his whole body, instead of just sections.

I think the jury is still out for me anyways... It could be a poor example of an enchi.

For comparison, this is our enchi...

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...easel-13-1.jpg
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...easel-12-1.jpg

I would say it is an Enchi based primarily on a combination of the orange on it's lower sides, belly pattern and eyes. The dorsal and lateral areas are not very Enchi-ish, but I can see enough to suggest Enchi. A little on the dark side though.

So I would say yes it is an Enchi, obviously not the best example of the morph, but an Enchi none the less. I hope that helps you.

If that's an Enchi, all of my normals are Enchis.

Here's my male:
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...y/PICT0111.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...y/PICT0115.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...y/PICT0120.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...y/PICT0119.jpg

Normal:
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...PICT0072-3.jpg

Doesn't look very "enchi-ish" to me.

Here's my enchi - she's also my avatar:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...nchi/enchi.jpg

Honestly,

I find it tough.

In pics 2 and 3 he has that place where the dark bleeds into the orange, the reduced patterning and banding.

None are great examples of the morph, but it may be a low grade enchi that is just dark enough to question it.

Also where you have flames, the flaming has a burgundy tint coming up from teh belly.

Really a tough one. :(

Here is one of mine as a comparison.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...idemetrio1.jpg

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...idemetrio2.jpg

I would say Enchi.....but only time will tell.

Thanks for the quick replies, but am still not sure what to think. Is she a enchi or not a enchi:confused:

Can you contact the breeder and ask for pics of the parents?

If, as you say, he is well-known, then selling a non-enchi as an enchi is really not in his best interest.

Bruce

If it is an enchi its not a very nice one, I'm leaning towards no.

Here is our girl
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w.../EnchiIman.jpg

Can all you Enchi owners post some pics of the belly of your Enchi. I´m one of the guys who said it isn´t an Enchi primarely based on the belly pattern. I have an Enchi here and his belly looks like this:
http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/DSC_0075.jpg

http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/DSC_0074.jpg

http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/DSC_0073.jpg

The animal isn´t in shed, the belly always looks like this.
Some other pics of him:
http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/DSC_0076.jpg

http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/DSC_0229.jpg

I'd say Enchi, but a very poor one!

did you get papers with it? I realize the breeder could also be untruthful with papers but at least it would be something else you could use to plead your case if it is in fact not an enchi which I cannot tell my eye is not trained yet. it does look alot like one of my darker males though and a similar belly pattern.

It doesnt look like an enchi to me, so if it is, it really is a poor example of one, and I hope you didnt pay top dollar enchi for it.

Not really sure on that one...

http://photos.imageevent.com/ghirept.../Oh%20yeah.jpg

well Im no pro but judging from the photos that members have posted of their own enchis I would say unfortunately no and get in contact with the breeder, goodluck

if i had to bet id say yes.
but im a horrible better....

I cant believe all of the yes's. That is not an enchi. The belly gives it away 100% it is also to dark and does not have the correct coloration.

Looks like a nice normal to me. :)

If it is an enchi, it is not a very good example of one. The eyes do look enchi though.

Heres another shot at an Enchi.

http://www.wildmorphs.com/uploads/Mo...i/boy2body.jpg

http://www.wildmorphs.com/uploads/Mo...i/boy2face.jpg

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Originally Posted by azpythons

if i had to bet id say yes.
but im a horrible better....

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lol

im VERYYYY NEW TO THIS, from what i've seen through many breeders "available" sections,......possible het enchi, the eyes look liek everybody's enchi when posted but hte color looks like my normal

I just took a couple of pics of my 'enchi' after she sheded.

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/q...o/P2090545.jpg
http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/q...o/P2090538.jpg
http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/q...o/P2090527.jpg
http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/q...o/P2080497.jpg
http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/q...o/P2080442.jpg
http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/q...o/P2080429.jpg

I am still sticking with a lower grade enchi... have you contacted the breeder for confirmation, or pics of the parents?

Also I would ask how it was produced....

Super enchi x enchi, normal x enchi, etc... etc...

There is a chance that the breeder got a normal, that looks enchi-ish.

OR if he/she bred a super to something then you are guaranteed you actually do have an enchi.

This same discussion has come up for lower grade Yellowbellies. Unless it came from breeding a super to a normal, then there can always be a bit of doubt.

Bruce

imo gie wouldnt sell look alikes, are especially not to me :) all my snakes are coming from him.

but mayby missing in cages also could be,

i dont know how an enchi irl look like so i cant tell.

greetings

It doesnt look like one to me. And i dont think there is such a think as het enchi, isnt it a co-dom?

I agree with Bruce. Looks like a lower grade Enchi. Has a very interesting pattern, though.

I am still on the fence I have seen very low grade all the way up to 1 of a kind enchi's I am leaning more towards normal though. I dont see anything enchi about it. Well hopefully time proves me wrong for the OP.

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Originally Posted by nybp

im VERYYYY NEW TO THIS, from what i've seen through many breeders "available" sections,......possible het enchi, the eyes look liek everybody's enchi when posted but hte color looks like my normal

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There are no het enchi's or possible het enchi's though. An enchi IS a visible het for super enchi.

The overall pattern, thin eye stripes and color of the head don't look right to me. I'd say very nice normal.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

There are no het enchi's or possible het enchi's though. An enchi IS a visible het for super enchi.

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ooops sorry...hence y i put the warning of im new...i gave it the old college try tho. :rolleye2: