new chondro pics

had the camera out the other day so i snaped a few.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q...h339/chon4.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q...h339/chon5.jpg

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unreal photos, thanks for sharing:gj:

Sweet little critter. What local?

AHHH DUDE!!!

Look at those eyes!! :weirdface:

Wow that's sweet! :O Chondro's are something I might get into in another year or two. Photo's of kickass ones like that only encourage me more! :D

:bow: Chondros are some of the most fascinating snakes!

It's just that they're so fragile.... I love handling my snakes, otherwise I would've had one already!

WHOA! You should enter them for Herp of the month!

Amazing! :O

Nice!!! Kofiau??? Or maybe mustard??? Thanks for sharing!

Nice Biak type.

Matthijs, you need to get over your fears and just get one. Start with something older. They are only fragile when they are really tiny. Get one and join the addiction.

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It's just that they're so fragile.... I love handling my snakes, otherwise I would've had one already!

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Ummmmmmm no they aren't. I handle mine all the time!

i bought it as an unknown local type. but like brandon said, most of the traits point to Biak. i handle her as often as she will let me. she is one of the weird chondros that only perches at night. i really love her shade of green and eventually i hope to get a male around that same shade!!

I was gonna post Biak type but Brandon beat me. Biaks take the longest to change in most cases. In 6 moths this gal will look compltely different.

Dutch, adults aren't that fragile and I can hold both of mine. My male is like a carpet, he's great. I'm a little iffy with my female. Neos can be nippy and yearlings typically are very aggressive. This is a snake that tames with age and not handling. Biaks have the worst rep out of all them and I personally believe it to be true. Jaya, Sorong, and Aru are typically the most calm IMO.

Awesome pictures!

this one is not mean in the least! you can even hold her at night!

Beautiful Pics and Beautiful Snake!

Freakin sweeeeet dude! *reaches for the oakley's*:cool:

Alright guys, I don't mean to hijack a thread and I'll start a new one if the thread starter wants me to, but I'm quite confused.

First of all, I'd love to get a baby or neonate because of their color change; absolutely fascinating.

Second, I don't give a dang about bites, so that's no issue.

Are www.pvccages.com good cages for them? It seems like they're ideal...?

MUST I have an elevated water bowl? Do I mist daily?

These are the first few questions, so thanks in advance for any input :gj:

Also, if you go to www.pvccages.com, I was looking at the 24x24x24 cage... are 1" perches good enough for life?

Please fill me in!

I've read many caresheets and always wanted one but the thing that kept me away from them was the daily misting and the fragility; I'd hate to hurt one of these beauties.

If you start out with a neo, i would house him/her in a 6 qt tub, for the first year. Then start thinking about a nice cage for it. Also there is no need to elevate the water bowl, they find them.

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If you start out with a neo, i would house him/her in a 6 qt tub, for the first year. Then start thinking about a nice cage for it. Also there is no need to elevate the water bowl, they find them.

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Just did some more research on neonates, from Spruce Nubble Farms: "It is our opinion that neonate GTP's are a bit like a piece of tissue paper - any error or problem is often fatal."

Maybe I'll get an adult first.

Anything that I should know that cannot be found easily on the web?

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Just did some more research on neonates, from Spruce Nubble Farms: "It is our opinion that neonate GTP's are a bit like a piece of tissue paper - any error or problem is often fatal."

Maybe I'll get an adult first.

Anything that I should know that cannot be found easily on the web?

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I would recommend starting with a yearling. They can be found readily and are usually bulletproof by that age. Yearlings should range in the 100-150 gram range and be feeding on small to large adult mice.....depending on the size.

As far as daily misting goes, I don't understand what is so bad about it. It isn't necessary, but it gives your animal a daily inspection which is not a bad thing. Like I said, it's not always necessary depending on the cage, the animal, and geographic location. You can always use a larger water bowl. They are very easy captives, and in my experience, much easier to work with than jungles.....one of the reason I sold my jungles and got more chondros. lol.

Jim's cages are very nice and a 24" cube is perfect for an adult chondro. I would go a bit larger on perches for an adult. Try to match the perch to the diameter of the chondro, though some prefer smaller perches over large.

You won't be sorry.

BTW, Spruce Nubble stole that quote from Greg Maxwell. lol.

The deal with daily misting is that sometimes I leave for vacation, and I was worried that I wouldn't be able to spray it during those 1-2 (max 3) weeks...

And I have one jungle, and that one's not feeding :weirdface...

So I can't judge on which is easier :P

A couple more questions:

Can a yearling be housed in a 24" cube?

Which locality can be found for less than $500, with a good combination of color and ease of maintenance?

Thanks again!

One thing on daily misting. I avoid misting in the mornings and right before night, so i dont drop the animals temperature to low, i mist usually before i go to work around 1pm or so. Most of the time, i dont even mist i will just tip the water bowl and wet the paper towels, and that usually does the trick as far as humidity goes, and im still able to get a decent look at the animals especially with removable perches. Otherwise for my adults, the night drop will create condensation the next morning(dew point temperature) and the enclosures are humid for a good part of the day, but i mist as needed only in the afternoon's to avoid any temperatures dropping too much. I got these tips from Greg Shroeder who is awesome, and they work great for me. I know Brandon knows who im talking about. Anyway you will figure out what works best for you and your animals, then it will be pretty routine. Good luck.

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The deal with daily misting is that sometimes I leave for vacation, and I was worried that I wouldn't be able to spray it during those 1-2 (max 3) weeks...

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That may be a problem unless you can get someone to take temps and make sure everything is functioning properly i.e. thermostat, heat source etc... One problem that comes to mind is dehydration. An automatic misting system may be essential to you. Personally i consider doing "chondro" stuff my vacation;) Maybe brandon has experience with leaving chondro's behind for weeks at a time, but i wouldnt be able too.

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That may be a problem unless you can get someone to take temps and make sure everything is functioning properly i.e. thermostat, heat source etc... One problem that comes to mind is dehydration. An automatic misting system may be essential to you. Personally i consider doing "chondro" stuff my vacation;) Maybe brandon has experience with leaving chondro's behind for weeks at a time, but i wouldnt be able too.

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The humidity in my 36x24x24 AP cage with RHP stays at 70 after spraying only once :D

I can definitely have someone over a few times a week to spray and check temps :)

70 actually isn't too bad for a chondro IMO. Internal hydration is key though. They do need to be misted to give a humidity cycle and it helps shed.

Another thing no one hit on was the 1 inch perch. Too big of a perch and the neo can kink it's tail while hanging down to eat food. Tubs really are amazing. I mist about once every week or two in the tub just because when i change the paper towel it keeps it down. I think you'd get a lot more hits if you did make a thread on this.


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check that site, so much info you're head will explode!

seems like everyone touched on just about everything except two things.

my chondro is about a year and a half and is now in a 24" cube cage right now. she seems to love it and roams at night. she fed the day i put her in there but she is kinda a freak. she even eats when completely blue although that has only happend once.

the site david pointed out has a classifed section that is almost entirely GTP. you'll have to up you budget a little to get an older USCB animal. there are some on there right now that are yearlings from bushmaster stock that are around $550. my animal is bushmaster stock and these have been captive for a while so you shouldn't have problems with them.

a note on misting. i mist mine when i think of it. she is on cypress so, from what ive herd, its a little more important to mist to keep small cypress particles from being inhaled. i also curb this by seiving my cypress with a wide mesh to get out some of the dust. i agree with judd in that you should have someone come over and check it when you are gone.

Very nice Lucas, maybe one of days we can come over and see her, Nicks in Ft. Pierce had a couple of Chondros for sale, a great display snake

thanks!

are you talking about the pair in the clear cage? if so, those are emeralds and are not looking too hot! i feel so bad for them!

Then give them a new home lol

I've traveled away for 1-2 weeks at a time while having someone check animals a couple of times a week. There is another way to boost humidity when you are away. Use an oversize water tub and place the corner of a small towel or wash cloth in the water while the rest is left out. The water will wick through the towel and create a larger surface area for evaporation. I did this with my first clutch while it was being maternally incubated.

As long as they have access to water, you should be fine. During the summer, and depending on the cage, I have gone a several weeks without misting cages. Of course our humidity levels during the summer here are out of this world.

Another option would be to put the animal in a tub while away. This way, humidity wouldn't be as much of a concern. As long as it's not going into a shed while you are away, I wouldn't worry too much.

As mentioned, check the MVF classifieds. There are lots of available animals right now from hatchlings to adults ranging from $300-6000.

Good luck. We are all here for you.

amazing snake and nice pics :gj:
what was the age?
nice shade of green.

thanks! 1.5 years old so she has some time before she'll be looking for a man friend.

o and lisa, i asked about them and he said that they were his personal animals and he wouldn't sell them. so they probably will not make it too much longer. they both have stuck shed everywhere and one has a couple, thats right, a couple of retained eye caps.

That's a poor state for any animal. I feel very sorry for them.


Mike has a yearling Aru from an amazing dad for 350 shipped. Many people are happy to do payment plans. I just picked up 2 on plans.