How do you tell a Yellowbelly from a Normal?

I am fairly new to this hobby ( I have had my normal BP for about 2 months), and I have someone attempting to sell me a yellow belly. But it looks normal to me. How would you tell if it is defienantly a yellow belly? Here is a link to some pictures.

http://pets.webshots.com/album/559330207JYQSdN

Thanks,
Mike

I would say that is a Yellow belly.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=45579

how did you tell so fast?

yeh i would say YB also, he has very nice flames and has the general YB look to him.

not a bad price also.

looks like a yellow belly, and a good price too my male YB was $150

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Originally Posted by mdjudson

how did you tell so fast?

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Once youve seen a few hundred yellow bellys it comes easy to you. Also seeing a few hundred " Is this a YB?" Threads trains your eyes on what is and whats not a morph.

This page is very helpful in seeing what makes a yellowbelly:

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=45579

Edit: Whoops sorry, didn't see Beardedragon had already posted that link above.

Thanks You all helped me out immensly

I dont see a yellow belly.

That doesn't look like a yellowbelly to me.

Get some better not coiled up shots, of the belly and of the sides...

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/P1070725.jpg

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

I dont see a yellow belly.

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

That doesn't look like a yellowbelly to me.

Get some better not coiled up shots, of the belly and of the sides...

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/P1070725.jpg

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Yall dont see it? clear belly, odd pattern next the the white, and then flames. Its a VERY subtle yellow belly but I can clearly see it.

i think those pics are terrible and it would be really hard to tell from them

Looks like it up for debate then. I will not purchase if no one can tell.

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

Yall dont see it? clear belly, odd pattern next the the white, and then flames. Its a VERY subtle yellow belly but I can clearly see it.

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No, it has 0 blushing, 0 "whack" pattern, I dont see it

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

No, it has 0 blushing, 0 "whack" pattern, I dont see it

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I was going to say the same thing. Not much yellow, hard to see any flames at all and zero blushing. Really looks normal. If it's a yellow belly, it's extremely subtle.

Well some say yes some say no, How can I really find out besides buying and breeding? I just saw this as good opurtunity due to the fact that it is so close to where I live.

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Originally Posted by mdjudson

Well some say yes some say no, How can I really find out besides buying and breeding? I just saw this as good opurtunity due to the fact that it is so close to where I live.

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Buy from a reputable breeder;)

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Originally Posted by mdjudson

Well some say yes some say no, How can I really find out besides buying and breeding? I just saw this as good opurtunity due to the fact that it is so close to where I live.

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where are you from perhaps someone here knows of someone that has one

http://jetpythons.com/NOYB.gif

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

Buy from a reputable breeder;)

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Any suggestions? Preferbly in the North East( I am not to comfortable shipping up this way since it hasn't been above freezing in 2 weeks)

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Originally Posted by nixer

where are you from perhaps someone here knows of someone that has one

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Connecticut

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Originally Posted by mdjudson

Any suggestions? Preferbly in the North East( I am not to comfortable shipping up this way since it hasn't been above freezing in 2 weeks)

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thanks lets see what we come up with :D

thats a YB, end of story

there is a show in whiteplains jan 25th also :D

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Originally Posted by nixer

there is a show in whiteplains jan 25th also :D

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Just talked to the wife and we are going to go. Any suggestions on getting her to let me spend money would be greatly appreciated.

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Originally Posted by mdjudson

Just talked to the wife and we are going to go. Any suggestions on getting her to let me spend money would be greatly appreciated.

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i wish i could brother im not married but i hear it all the time from my mother and from my girlfriend.

I'm not going to comment on whether or not that snake is a YB because people more knowledgeable than me already have.

However, I see the person is selling "Abbotts Okeetees" corn snakes as well as the BP. The father of the Abbott's is pictured, and it does not look like an Abbott's to me. Lee Abbott put a lot of work into selective breeding to get Okeetees with very rich colors and very thick black bands, which the father does not have. I would guess the mother is an Abbott's, but crossing her with some other snake means the babies are not Abbott's.

So now we have a questionable YB and questionable Abbott's Okeetees. With only the information on the link you posted, I would be very hesitant to buy anything from that breeder.

As far as breeders in the Northeast, I would recommend looking into NERD if you are close enough. I have not personally dealt with them, but I've seen a lot of very positive reviews.

Hi, I am the breeder in question. Thanks for all the slamming. I got the supposed yellow belly at an auction in Michigan from a supposedly good breeder "Natures Spirit Reptiles". It has a patternless belly therefore I assume it is a yellow belly. I didnt breed the snake.

As for the abbotts. I got the male from Ben Seigel and the female (who no one on here mentioned) from Lee himself. The babies come out spectacular.

I breed on a very small scale and dont appreciate the bad mouthing going on in here.

I shall take a few more pictures of the supposed yellow belly and post them to the same place if anyone wants to take a look at them. Maybe I got taken too.

Carole
www.reptilecare.com

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Originally Posted by mdjudson

Just talked to the wife and we are going to go. Any suggestions on getting her to let me spend money would be greatly appreciated.

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u gotta bribe her.... that is the best way... tell her if she lets u get whatever it is that u want... u will give her what she wants... its the only way for it to be fair :P or u can just do the puppy dog face

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Originally Posted by reptileszz

Hi, I am the breeder in question. Thanks for all the slamming. I got the supposed yellow belly at an auction in Michigan from a supposedly good breeder "Natures Spirit Reptiles". It has a patternless belly therefore I assume it is a yellow belly. I didnt breed the snake.

As for the abbotts. I got the male from Ben Seigel and the female (who no one on here mentioned) from Lee himself. The babies come out spectacular.

I breed on a very small scale and dont appreciate the bad mouthing going on in here.

I shall take a few more pictures of the supposed yellow belly and post them to the same place if anyone wants to take a look at them. Maybe I got taken too.

Carole
www.reptilecare.com

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I didn't see any bad mouthing going on

This isnt badmouthing? Not too bad but still didnt ask for it. Oh well...

"So now we have a questionable YB and questionable Abbott's Okeetees. With only the information on the link you posted, I would be very hesitant to buy anything from that breeder."

Can someone tell me what other morphs have patternless bellies?

Thanks
Carole

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Originally Posted by reptileszz

Hi, I am the breeder in question. Thanks for all the slamming. I got the supposed yellow belly at an auction in Michigan from a supposedly good breeder "Natures Spirit Reptiles". It has a patternless belly therefore I assume it is a yellow belly. I didnt breed the snake.

As for the abbotts. I got the male from Ben Seigel and the female (who no one on here mentioned) from Lee himself. The babies come out spectacular.

I breed on a very small scale and dont appreciate the bad mouthing going on in here.

I shall take a few more pictures of the supposed yellow belly and post them to the same place if anyone wants to take a look at them. Maybe I got taken too.

Carole
www.reptilecare.com

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First, let me correct you. In this case with the yellow belly you are NOT the "breeder in question." You are a FLIPPER.

Simma down now. Perhaps you should take the time to learn a little more about the snakes you are trying to "FLIP". If you are selling a snake as a yellow belly just because it has "a patternless belly," then the slamming and bad mouthing is certainly warranted.

Mikey

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Originally Posted by reptileszz

Can someone tell me what other morphs have patternless bellies?

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Wow. :colbert:

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Originally Posted by reptileszz

Hi, I am the breeder in question. Thanks for all the slamming. I got the supposed yellow belly at an auction in Michigan from a supposedly good breeder "Natures Spirit Reptiles". It has a patternless belly therefore I assume it is a yellow belly. I didnt breed the snake.

As for the abbotts. I got the male from Ben Seigel and the female (who no one on here mentioned) from Lee himself. The babies come out spectacular.

I breed on a very small scale and dont appreciate the bad mouthing going on in here.

I shall take a few more pictures of the supposed yellow belly and post them to the same place if anyone wants to take a look at them. Maybe I got taken too.

Carole
www.reptilecare.com

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I don't see "bad mouthing" going on either.

I'm not sure why you say no one mentioned the mother corn snake. I'm the only one who mentioned the corn snakes at all, and I mentioned both the mother, that I think looks like an Abbott's, and the father, that I think does not look like an Abbott's.

I also said I would not buy anything from you WITH ONLY THE INFORMATION IN THE LINK POSTED. That's not bad mouthing, that's just common sense. I bet you wouldn't buy animals with only a few pictures and no other information as well. But I deliberately left the door wide open to the possibility that we just don't know enough... maybe the photo of the father is just not a good one at showing his colors, etc.

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Originally Posted by reptileszz

This isnt badmouthing? Not too bad but still didnt ask for it. Oh well...

"So now we have a questionable YB and questionable Abbott's Okeetees. With only the information on the link you posted, I would be very hesitant to buy anything from that breeder."

Can someone tell me what other morphs have patternless bellies?

Thanks
Carole

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Well, we cross posted but I'll address these specific points.

As I tried to clarify in the previous post, this was not a slam, just a caution to the buyer to proceed with caution, to find out more. If I'd wanted to slam you, I'd have said something more like:

"That's not a YB, and those aren't Abbott's Okeetees. Don't ever buy anything from the person!"

Lots of morphs have patternless bellies. Normal BPs can have patternless bellies as well.

I see no bad mouthing here, or Slamming.

I do see people trying to put there input into the OP's question. We answered what we felt was the answer.

We did not answer with opinions but FACTS. That in FACT does NOT look like a yellow belly.

That is not "slamming" or "badmouthing".

Gotta Dr nearby? Have him give you a RX for a chill pill.

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Originally Posted by reptileszz

This isnt badmouthing? Not too bad but still didnt ask for it. Oh well...

"So now we have a questionable YB and questionable Abbott's Okeetees. With only the information on the link you posted, I would be very hesitant to buy anything from that breeder."

Can someone tell me what other morphs have patternless bellies?

Thanks
Carole

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that doesnt look like a patternless belly to me it looks like the pattern comes all the way down to the belly. even with the 2 new belly shots you have taken. those 2 new pics dont look like a yellow belly at all. the belly should look like what ladyohh posted and that animal does not look like that at all.

Can I ask why so many people piped up at first and said it was a yellow belly?

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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh

First, let me correct you. In this case with the yellow belly you are NOT the "breeder in question." You are a FLIPPER.

Simma down now. Perhaps you should take the time to learn a little more about the snakes you are trying to "FLIP". If you are selling a snake as a yellow belly just because it has "a patternless belly," then the slamming and bad mouthing is certainly warranted.

Mikey

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I never said I was the breeder...

I guess I will not be dealing with her, but thank you all for your help and input.

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Originally Posted by reptileszz

Can I ask why so many people piped up at first and said it was a yellow belly?

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ill tell you what how about you go post your pics on fauna since you want to bash this site and see what they say about it

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Originally Posted by nixer

ill tell you what how about you go post your pics on fauna since you want to bash this site and see what they say about it

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I really dont understand the hostility here. When did I bash this site? Its a simple question. Many people at first said, yup yellow belly. WHY?

And I DID post a link to the pics on fauna.

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Originally Posted by reptileszz

I never said I was the breeder...

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Originally Posted by reptileszz

Hi, I am the breeder in question.

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Jeepers you are right. I am so sorry. He called me a breeder and I jumped on the bandwagon and said I was the breeder. My sincere apologies.

I did breed balls one time, normals, some 4 years ago. Sorry about that.

Carole

PS I have an email in to the people that donated this animal to the auction to see what they have to say about it. I feel like an idiot and now I dont even know if the "het for albino" I got is really het either.

c'mon...can we NOT nitpick at words?

"I am the breeder in question" implies you are A breeder...not THE breeder of the particular animal in question - as you just clarified.

Carole, I think people piped up because of the accusation of "slamming you" when really, noone was...

Mike, step back a bit please.

I think we can all tone it down a bit and not start another mud slinging thread.

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Originally Posted by reptileszz

Jeepers you are right. I am so sorry. He called me a breeder and I jumped on the bandwagon and said I was the breeder. My sincere apologies.

I did breed balls one time, normals, some 4 years ago. Sorry about that.

Carole

PS I have an email in to the people that donated this animal to the auction to see what they have to say about it. I feel like an idiot and now I dont even know if the "het for albino" I got is really het either.

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That is exactly why I put this thread up... I didn't want to get screwed.

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Originally Posted by reptileszz

PS I have an email in to the people that donated this animal to the auction to see what they have to say about it. I feel like an idiot and now I dont even know if the "het for albino" I got is really het either.

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I certainly hope then that you remove your ad until you're 110% sure of what you're selling, unless you want a reputation that will quickly follow you as "misrepresenting your animals".

Just my 2 cents on that topic.

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Originally Posted by Nate

Mike, step back a bit please.

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Step back from what?

First she said she was the breeder in quesiton. Then she said she got the snake at an auction. I can't point out a discrepancy like that?

Is it not OK for me to voice being upset when a flipper sells a snake as a specific morph, when they don't even take the time to research and identify if the snake even is that morph?

Sorry, nate but I really don't understand... I will politely bow out of the conversation now.

I just don't feel it's necessary for you to be so aggressive. No, I did not say you cannot point out faults or inconsistencies...by all means, go for it...but the aggressive, in your face, you are wrong responses are not what this site is here for.

I have no issue with you, or anyone for that matter, telling it like it is. The community needs more of that, HOWEVER, there certainly are better ways to approach a topic without coming off as a virtual bully, so to speak.

I'm seeing more and more posts saying "this is why I don't post here"... This forum is here for people to be ignorant, and educate themselves, and ask questions without feeling like they are going to have someone jump all over them for making a mistake or not being better educated.

If you (or anyone) has any questions, you can PM me (or any other mod/admin)

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Originally Posted by Nate

This forum is here for people to be ignorant, and educate themselves, and ask questions without feeling like they are going to have someone jump all over them for making a mistake or not being better educated.

If you (or anyone) has any questions, you can PM me (or any other mod/admin)

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I am ignorant and new to all this stuff, but for what it is worth I have found everyone to be nothing but helpful