I have produced a new morph well almost

So I went up to NERD about 3 months ago to buy a pair of pieds and a pair of lemon pastels. I cam home with a pair of lemon pastel 100 % het burgundies. According to Kevin at NERD i will be the first to produce super lemon pastel burgundies. the father was a pure lemon pastel (he was rediculos) and the mother was a RDR burgundy she was cool. Alltogether I was charged a crap load of money and NERD has a deposit/hold on the first super pastel bugundy
What do you guys think and has anyone ever produced one cuz I was told no one has, ill post pics later, they are both screamers from NERD's rare sreamer line lemon pastels. they have not browned out at all and they have purplish blushing and they are 07's so thats how great they are

we need pics!!!! lol.. never heard of this morph before but pics of the pair would be nice ;)

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Originally Posted by temec

we need pics!!!! lol.. never heard of this morph before but pics of the pair would be nice ;)

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ill get them soon enough i have never heard of them before aswell but if NERD is holding a deposti for one then they must be rare i asked if they would trade for an inferno and they are considering it lol. oh im 16 btw and i had to work for 2 years to rasie enough money to buy them no joke but they are worth it

Sounds kinda suspicious. Why would any breeder sell a pair of animals that will produce a brand new never before seen morph? Usually they keep that TOP secret and produce the animals keep a pair at least for themselves and sell the rest off for an insane amount. Never heard of anyone selling a pair of animals that will make a brand new never before seen morph for ANY price, business wise it doesn't make any sense.

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Originally Posted by JKExotics

Sounds kinda suspicious. Why would any breeder sell a pair of animals that will produce a brand new never before seen morph? Usually they keep that TOP secret and produce the animals keep a pair at least for themselves and sell the rest off for an insane amount. Never heard of anyone selling a pair of animals that will make a brand new never before seen morph for ANY price, business wise it doesn't make any sense.

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Yeah I agree with u on that one I was very suspicios at first but im only 16, and officially im not going to say that i produced it cuz it was NERD that did *wink*wink*. BUt yeah they are and the top secret things arent really secret at all if u know people. I just didnt walk in there and ask if i could buy them i know everyone there

I think it sounds just like Kevin and Kara to support and encourage younger herpers by doing something like this. I am not at all surprised and they continue to impress me with their caring, encouragement and crazy awesome reptiles :D

I can't wait to see the end product of your project!!! Way to go and a huge congratulations to you!!! :banana:

I wouldn't count your eggs before they hatch;) The chances of actually hitting a super pastel Burgundy is a little against you. im not saying it wont happen the first time, but its a pretty hard target. Im just saying someone else might produce it before you.

congrats though on the new snakes! Hopefully you will hit it your first breeding!

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

I wouldn't count your eggs before they hatch;) The chances of actually hitting a super pastel Burgundy is a little against you. im not saying it wont happen the first time, but its a pretty hard target.

congrats though on the new snakes! Hopefully you will hit it your first breeding!

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I was waiting for someone to say that you are right it is a 1/16th chance to produce one out of every egg. hey are u matt cook on youtube?

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Originally Posted by sharocks

I was waiting for someone to say that you are right it is a 1/16th chance to produce one out of every egg. hey are u matt cook on youtube?

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oh never mind u are matt cook i just looked at the bottom of your post dam i feel like a dumbass! lol btw i love ur belucy he is a gem!

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Originally Posted by sharocks

I was waiting for someone to say that you are right it is a 1/16th chance to produce one out of every egg....

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So what?? A 1/16 chance is way better odds than a 1/32 chance ;)
I'll cross fingers and toes for you when you get there :P

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Originally Posted by starmom

So what?? A 1/16 chance is way better odds than a 1/32 chance ;)
I'll cross fingers and toes for you when you get there :P

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thanks i really appreciate it this is my first post i think so im new.

You go boooy:gj: Good luck;)

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Originally Posted by juddb

You go boooy:gj: Good luck;)

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thanks

you're already off to a great start by having those BPs in the first place so anything you produce will be a bonus...best of luck :gj:

congrats on getting some top notch snakes. And you'll hit the odds even if its not the first time around. now.. where are the pics of these top notch snakes. Here at bp.net we thrive on those pics.. :D

ifi t was me I be keepnig the first of a new line ( unless ther mutli of them) this way by the time you can breed them you will have a better chance of getting more than that 1/16 so by the second or 3rd gen you down to a 1/4 or so if I got the genetics stuff right.

hey thanks i still have them but they are becoming problem feeders maybe hybernation? but the male is at 800 + grams dont have a scale need to invest in one =) and the female is like idk but im thinking on getting a lesser female and a cinnamon female so the male pastel can breed to them and make 50 pos het burgundies.

Ball Pythons don't hibernate. Where did you post the photos of these snakes? Can you hook me up with a link?

Pastel Het Burgundy X Pastel Het Burgundy

6.25% Normal
12.5% Het Burgundy
6.25% Burgundy
12.5% Pastel
25.0% Pastel Het Burgundy
12.5% Pastel Burgundy
6.25% Super Pastel
12.5% Super Pastel Het Burgundy
6.25% Super Pastel Burgundy

Good luck, and I hope the odds are on your side. With luck it will produce a cool animal and someone else won't beat you to it. Kevin is a stand up guy, so if it were me I would not be suspicious about the claim.

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Originally Posted by JKExotics

Sounds kinda suspicious. Why would any breeder sell a pair of animals that will produce a brand new never before seen morph? Usually they keep that TOP secret and produce the animals keep a pair at least for themselves and sell the rest off for an insane amount. Never heard of anyone selling a pair of animals that will make a brand new never before seen morph for ANY price, business wise it doesn't make any sense.

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With the reputation they have any thing not on the up and up would be stupid.

I have yet to do business with them but I would not hesitate to believe what ever they tell me. If they told me snake "A" only throws off pieds no matter what you breed it too.. guess what I am buying snake "A"

Mike

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Originally Posted by sharocks

hey thanks i still have them but they are becoming problem feeders maybe hybernation? but the male is at 800 + grams dont have a scale need to invest in one =) and the female is like idk but im thinking on getting a lesser female and a cinnamon female so the male pastel can breed to them and make 50 pos het burgundies.

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I just wanted to clarify a bit, as you claim to be new to the board, and to the hobby from what I can gather. If you breed your male to 2 females, or even three, you are not going to get 50 eggs. Matter of fact, you stand a chance of getting no eggs. I just didn't want to see someone counting the eggs before they hatch (I know it is proverbial and a bit trite), but I just wanted to give you a heads up.

In reality, you will probably end up with two of three females laying eggs (based on average odds of many breeders), and about 6 eggs per clutch (again, based on average clutch sizes). Therefore, my guess would be that you would get between 11 and 14 eggs your first season.

I hope that helps, and I meant no offense if you already understand all of that,

i think what the poster you quoted Muddoc, means they will be making 50% hets, (pos hets) not 50 count snakes.

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Originally Posted by starmom

I think it sounds just like Kevin and Kara to support and encourage younger herpers by doing something like this. I am not at all surprised and they continue to impress me with their caring, encouragement and crazy awesome reptiles :D

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Yup :D

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Originally Posted by muddoc

I just wanted to clarify a bit, as you claim to be new to the board, and to the hobby from what I can gather. If you breed your male to 2 females, or even three, you are not going to get 50 eggs. Matter of fact, you stand a chance of getting no eggs. I just didn't want to see someone counting the eggs before they hatch (I know it is proverbial and a bit trite), but I just wanted to give you a heads up.

In reality, you will probably end up with two of three females laying eggs (based on average odds of many breeders), and about 6 eggs per clutch (again, based on average clutch sizes). Therefore, my guess would be that you would get between 11 and 14 eggs your first season.

I hope that helps, and I meant no offense if you already understand all of that,

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dude i didnt mean 50 eggs that would be rediculous. I meant that every baby would be 50 percent pos het burgundy, not 50 babies lol. I know that i would only get like 6 eggs from each female

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Originally Posted by sharocks

hey thanks i still have them but they are becoming problem feeders maybe hybernation? but the male is at 800 + grams dont have a scale need to invest in one =) and the female is like idk but im thinking on getting a lesser female and a cinnamon female so the male pastel can breed to them and make 50 pos het burgundies.

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Sounds like midwinter Brumation to me. if your temps are colder than they had at NERD they may think its breeding season, when it is common to go off of feed. Try raising your temps a little if they arent optimal. I'd talk to NERD and ask for some advice too.

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Originally Posted by starmom

I think it sounds just like Kevin and Kara to support and encourage younger herpers by doing something like this. I am not at all surprised and they continue to impress me with their caring, encouragement and crazy awesome reptiles :D

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I agree. They will still be the owners of the first Burgundy SuperPastel and I bet they are already working on getting some morphs ready to breed to it.

Now its all up to your hardwork and diligence to produce that new morph. Hopefully the morph gods smile on you and you get one in the first clutch.
Best of Luck!!! Post some pics of the parents and your pair for us to drool over!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Bluebead

Sounds like midwinter Brumation to me.

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I didn't know Ball Pythons burmate:weirdface

Yeah brother Ball Pythons don't brumate.

so let me get this straight, I just read through 3 pages of stuff to not end up with ANY pics? Slightly dissapointed? Yep. Get pics up.;)

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Originally Posted by sharocks

dude i didnt mean 50 eggs that would be rediculous. I meant that every baby would be 50 percent pos het burgundy, not 50 babies lol. I know that i would only get like 6 eggs from each female

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No offense was intended. Just the way you wrote it, had me confused. I didn't want you to think you would get that many eggs. I'm glad to hear you have a good handle on the topic.

Good luck with your project.