Anyone seen this before?

I just happen to see this case, posted by another hobbyist here in our country. Just wanna know if anyone there already had the same case like this poor snake here, and what's the reason behind this case? The originator of this pics claims that when he bought this bp 2 months ago, there's just slight foldings of skin within that area.

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I have no idea what that is but it looks awful. Poor snake. I can't tell if that's his back or his side. Is that his spine or ribs? Is he eating? Has he been to a vet?
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It looks like he broke his back, once.

Take him to the vet now, he may need to be put down.

I have no idea what that is, but it makes me sick to my stomach to look at it. It kind of looks like he's been pinched in something, or could it possibly be a kink? Poor fellow.

that is wiiiierd! Do you know if the BP has movement in the latter part of his body after the 'kink'? if so, that would cause me to believe its not a break. It could be genetic, it could be a wierd twist. the only way you will know for sure would be to get it to a vet for x-rays and other radiographs.

I'm trying to figure out how that type of kink would pass food..

looks like someone dropped a large hardcover book or similarly shaped heavy object on it to me.

It looks like a kin to me. It also appears to be slightly forward of his stomach. Therefore, if he eats, he probably starts digesting his meal before it passes the kinked area. If he eats fine, defacates fine, and can move the latter halfof his body, I would say give him a shot at life. He will only make a pet, but he looks like he has been eating to me, and can live a great life as a pet.

Just my .02,

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Originally Posted by muddoc

It looks like a kin to me. It also appears to be slightly forward of his stomach. Therefore, if he eats, he probably starts digesting his meal before it passes the kinked area. If he eats fine, defacates fine, and can move the latter halfof his body, I would say give him a shot at life. He will only make a pet, but he looks like he has been eating to me, and can live a great life as a pet.

Just my .02,

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I agree with muddoc, give the poor guy a shot.. I've never seen anything like that befor it really is weird..

My guess would be kink. If it's a kink, it's gotten to the currant size with it. If it's a injury, then hoepfully it's gone to a vet.

If that really is a kink it's the biggest kink I've ever seen, not that I've seen alot of them but still, that looks way gnarly.

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Originally Posted by Doxster

If that really is a kink it's the biggest kink I've ever seen, not that I've seen alot of them but still, that looks way gnarly.

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You should check out Ralph Davis's kinked caramel albinos video on youtube...

ok since some ppl have seen this before ... what happened ???

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Originally Posted by m00kfu

You should check out Ralph Davis's kinked caramel albinos video on youtube...

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I have, they are not as kinked as this animal imo.

Well, ive seen rdr's kinked caramels too, but those are way too different from this poor guy. Rdr's caramels have a mountain-like kink, while this one have a sink-hole like one. The owner says this one is feeding, and defecates normally. Its been 2 months since he got this guy, and claims that when he received this guy, the hole-like kink seems like a small fold on the skin only. More like a snake w/ a bad shed, as he described it.

And someone here also described it as the ash tray phenomena? Where the muscles contract, and forms a hole-like depresion like this one. Honestly, I never heard of it before, anybody had an idea bout it?

i would for sure with out a doubt in my mind take him to a vet to get him checked out. just to make sure its not effecting his health. if its not hurting him, for sure give him a shot as a pet.

I have a ch that has a similiar defect, not as severe. He has not been injured. It is either a problem when developing in the egg or it is genetic. This is why I kept him since without testing there is no way to know if it is genetic and I don't want someone to buy him and possibly breed him. He still eats shed and poops without any issues so I gave him a chance at life, he will be just a pet. Had he not had this defect I would have kept him as a dinker project since he has some nice chocolate brown coloring and hes a black back.

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oh god!! :tears::tears: please put him down please thats bad whatever the problem is.

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Originally Posted by drew2420

oh god!! :tears::tears: please put him down please thats bad whatever the problem is.

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that isn't necessary if he is healthy and thriving.

I feel that we need a little more information on him; how old is he, does he pass urates/feces, does he eat well, etc. If he does all of those things well and without assist, then he can survive just fine.

I have seen VERY kinked animals in person and handled them. One of them had several (3-4) very large kinks down the lower third of his body but ate, defecated and behaved fine. Now he is just a pet. There is no need to euthanize and animal that is thriving, who just happens to not look right.

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Originally Posted by cinderbird

There is no need to euthanize and animal that is thriving, who just happens to not look right.

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As long as the animal is able to live normally and isnt being bred, let it live!:please:

that looks horrible, but if its alive and eatin well, give it a shot no animal deserves to die without a fighting chance or unless its in obvious pain or suffering.

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Originally Posted by Bluebead

As long as the animal is able to live normally and isnt being bred, let it live!:please:

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y wouldnt u breed it??? spiders and all "bee's" wobble, clowns kink... and that doesnt stop people from breeding, buying, selling, trading.

*caramels kink**** excuse me :oops:

If I was given it I`d keep it:) I have no issues with pets that look a bit odd. Breeding an snake that`s not to standard is kind of wrong as the point of breeding is to improve the snake`s next generation.

I could not own such a deformed snake. I hope it is only a cosmetic defect.

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Originally Posted by nybp

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y wouldnt u breed it??? spiders and all "bee's" wobble, clowns kink... and that doesnt stop people from breeding, buying, selling, trading.

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Because it is IMO unethical. I will probably not breed caramels for a long time just simply because the have a tendency to kink like they do. I will probably breed spider combo's simply because many of the spiders do not spin that badly.

Mike

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Originally Posted by hoax

Because it is IMO unethical. I will probably not breed caramels for a long time just simply because the have a tendency to kink like they do. I will probably breed spider combo's simply because many of the spiders do not spin that badly.

Mike

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so that means, if that kink wasn't "that badly" as you stated with the spiders, then you'd breed it? then what happens when you have a pair of spiders (1.1) and breed them...and the offspring do backflips?? that's the same as this snake. just bc it has a bad defect does not make it unethical. just bc a spider doesnt spin "that badly" doesnt mean the next gen won't make you dizzy watching them

that looks distubing but , if people were put to sleep for every defect that been know the population would be less than 1/2 it is now. As for th snake iif ididn't know better i say it looks like the verabrates are not there and cause the collapse. I wouls say if healthy and acting normal with no othe issues I say that snake would be a strictly pet version due to the defect.

If the snake suffer from it, should be put to dead, otherwise I don't see a reason behind it if he is healty.

How do we know its not suffering? Just because it can eat and poop does not mean it feels just fine eating and pooping.

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

How do we know its not suffering? Just because it can eat and poop does not mean it feels just fine eating and pooping.

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We don't for 100% sure but.
Because these animals will shut down if they are in pain, or ill we can assume that it has dealt with the deformity thus far just fine. Their body's tell them that food is a last resort and they need to devote their energy to healing in a time of injury or illness. I've seen animals stop eating for extended lengths of time due to minor injury or RI. I had a female pastel get an injured eye. It healed and is just fine but it took that female 3 months after it healed to eat again.

With wild animals when it comes to injury their body's are designed to take allot of punishment and still maintain life. However with Ball Pythons they really for the most part have a one track mind. Eat----heal-----eat----breed----eat.. their not so good and the two things at once bit.

That is kind of scary. It could be genetic; like a snake version of spinal muscular atrophy or something.

Looks like a bone deformity similar to spina bifida and or a double jointed spinal cord. If the snake is well in every way keep him going and always support that part of the body.

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Originally Posted by nybp

so that means, if that kink wasn't "that badly" as you stated with the spiders, then you'd breed it? then what happens when you have a pair of spiders (1.1) and breed them...and the offspring do backflips?? that's the same as this snake. just bc it has a bad defect does not make it unethical. just bc a spider doesnt spin "that badly" doesnt mean the next gen won't make you dizzy watching them

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Considering you don't even own a spider ball, i am surprised with your blanket statement that all spiders wobble. Mine doesn't and a vast majority don't. Maybe you should first know something about a subject before you start lecturing everyone on it.

That animal should not be bred. The physical deformity could just be from enviromental causes during incubation, but i wouldn't take the chance. It could very well be a genetic trait that could be passed on to offspring. However, there is no reason whatsoever that it should be culled if it is still eating, moving, and pooping fine.

Robin
H2 Exotics

Wonder if there was ever an update on this animal..

hmmm....that is odd, i wonder what caused it...was he abusive?

Sorry for the late update regarding this case guys. But I happen to see the snake again w/ this condition now..


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Who would have though that those are the same snake? Im really really shocked but very glad to see that the snake is in good condition now. But its still a mystery to us what caused the sink-hole like depresion before.

It looks like a birth defect....

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If that was my snake, I would have called:wuv: him Nemo...

Maybe he was sucking in his gut to look buff for the pics:rofl:

The little fella looks much better though:gj: