First Lock Up!

Alright guys, the big adults came in, and the females were way over 1500 grams (unexpectedly) so i wanted to try some breeding early, and i didn't think i would be successful, so i put the pairs together down in the quarantine room, and surprisingly i woke up to some LOCKS!! Heres a pic, it's not a strong lock in the pic because it looks like they were just finishing up and when i went in to check on them, they moved a bit... BTW These pairs if you didn't know are 100% Het Albino to 100% Het Albino...
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Wow! That's exciting! I duno if that is 'for sure' lock...but they def. are on the right path!! Just be sure to give them their privacy! :salute:

Just a thought for you since you want to learn you might want to wait and make sure that when snakes just arrive they are healthy, and well established and observed them for a while before rushing into breeding them.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Just a thought for you since you want to learn you might want to wait and make sure that when snakes just arrive they are healthy, and well established and observed them for a while before rushing into breeding them.

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Yea, we took them to the vet on thursday to get them checked up on, the vet told us they are very healthy and are in good shape... The last thing we need to do is just send them like poop when they do poop so they can make sure there are no traces of internal parasites or something like that...

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

Wow! That's exciting! I duno if that is 'for sure' lock...but they def. are on the right path!! Just be sure to give them their privacy! :salute:

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yea, they were definately locked up earlier, b/c when i went in there i saw pink in between the two tails, but as i got my camera ready they moved... Gotta leave em alone from now on :) let them do there thing.

Good Luck kid! I wish you all the best.

We got some More Lockage! Check it OUT!

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Those pictures still dont look like locks, one tail is on the top of the other it looks, good luck though, it'll happen

You keep buggin em like that and your gonna have a hemipene-less male.


Im not gonna harp you for lack of QT, lack of time to ensure animal is doing well (vet or no vet)......

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

You keep buggin em like that and your gonna have a hemipene-less male.


Im not gonna harp you for lack of QT, lack of time to ensure animal is doing well (vet or no vet)......

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Yep im buggin em alright! I just took a few pictures man thats bugging them right? I see a lot of other people taking pictures of their animas breeding, and why doesnt that mean they are bugging them??

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Originally Posted by atp151415

Those pictures still dont look like locks, one tail is on the top of the other it looks, good luck though, it'll happen

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Thats how almost all the "locks" i see are... do you know what they are doing when they are locked?

I don't know-- looks like they are trying to figure it out, but it doesn't look like a lock to me.

I think that maybe if you leave them alone they *will* figure it out. When I put my male in with a female, there is female tail wagging and they usually have a lock with their tails in the air for a while. Then they put their tails down and it is clearly belly-side tail to belly-side tail with definite tail tip curl. Does this make sense? Also, mine tend to stay locked for half a day to an entire day before they separate; even if I interrupt their privacy for a second.

I'm just trying to help since it is very disappointing to believe that eggs are on the way, and yet the incubator that is all set up and running is empty :(

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Originally Posted by starmom

I don't know-- looks like they are trying to figure it out, but it doesn't look like a lock to me.

I think that maybe if you leave them alone they *will* figure it out. When I put my male in with a female, there is female tail wagging and they usually have a lock with their tails in the air for a while. Then they put their tails down and it is clearly belly-side tail to belly-side tail with definite tail tip curl. Does this make sense? Also, mine tend to stay locked for half a day to an entire day before they separate; even if I interrupt their privacy for a second.

I'm just trying to help since it is very disappointing to believe that eggs are on the way, and yet the incubator that is all set up and running is empty :(

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yea thats what happened with mine, they had their tails locked up in the air (like twisted around eachother) then they rested them on the ground, and looked just as you explained it, belly's together and somewhat of tail curl, if you look closer at the picture the tip of the males tail is starting to curl, and like a couple hours later it was curled around fully.... and yea, im leaving them alone, i just opened up the top to take a few pics...

How old are you?

Seems you are very interested in showing off your collection and breeding but not so interested in hearing anyone's responses.

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Originally Posted by JasonG

How old are you?

Seems you are very interested in showing off your collection and breeding but not so interested in hearing anyone's responses.

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Im 15... If i wasnt interested in hearing anyone's responses why would i reply to all of them?? DUHHH lol :rolleye2:

Good luck too you! Hoping for some healthy babies.

I don't post much on these types of thread because everyone is going to do what they feel like doing anyways. In the comment you made about what Pat said it sounded like you were being a bit disrespectful. He was just commenting on the fact that you obviously hadn't had these animals very long and you just threw them together in your "quarantine" room. Quarantine doesn't do any good if you place the 2 animals together. I mean could you not wait the 30-60 days and then put them together? Do you care more about "maybe" making little snakes and less about the snakes health you already have? Just keep in mind some of us here have been doing this since before you were born so show a little respect to your elders(as we are all wiser than you) and take the advice we give you. There has been several posts I've read where people have given you advice on your quarantine system (or the lack there of) and you just blow off the info. I'm kinda done here because its hard to want to help someone that doesn't want to help themselves

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Originally Posted by DBD

Im 15... If i wasnt interested in hearing anyone's responses why would i reply to all of them?? DUHHH lol :rolleye2:

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That explains a lot.

You should read a few books, brush up on some more knowledge about bps, and learn how to be polite to others. We are all human and do make mistakes, but there is a difference between a mistake and being a bratty 15 year old kid.

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Originally Posted by Royal Morphz

I don't post much on these types of thread because everyone is going to do what they feel like doing anyways. In the comment you made about what Pat said it sounded like you were being a bit disrespectful. He was just commenting on the fact that you obviously hadn't had these animals very long and you just threw them together in your "quarantine" room. Quarantine doesn't do any good if you place the 2 animals together. I mean could you not wait the 30-60 days and then put them together? Do you care more about "maybe" making little snakes and less about the snakes health you already have? Just keep in mind some of us here have been doing this since before you were born so show a little respect to your elders(as we are all wiser than you) and take the advice we give you. There has been several posts I've read where people have given you advice on your quarantine system (or the lack there of) and you just blow off the info. I'm kinda done here because its hard to want to help someone that doesn't want to help themselves

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Oh i respect him a lot! and i respect everyone here, I dont care wether they've been doing this for 100 years or a week, i show everyone the same amount of respect.

I just have to reply to what you said before:
"Quarantine doesn't do any good if you place the 2 animals together."

Well, the reasoning behind quaranting is to provent your current collection from getting any disease or mites that your new snakes could potentially have... correct? Well, if these animals had any disease or parasites (which they don't, b/c they got a vet checkup and we were told they were very healthy) don't you think they would've obtained everything by now... Someone said just opening the new box in the room of your current collection is enough to spread whatever they have to your whole collection, so shouldn't being shipped in the same small box be enough to spread what they.. But thankfully they dont have any types of disease, or infections, or parasites, thanks to our awesome vet!

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Originally Posted by JasonG

That explains a lot.

You should read a few books, brush up on some more knowledge about bps, and learn how to be polite to others. We are all human and do make mistakes, but there is a difference between a mistake and being a bratty 15 year old kid.

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Yep, ill do just that :) And ill work on my "brattiness" :)
Thanks for the advice,
Brandon

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Originally Posted by DBD

Well, if these animals had any disease or parasites (which they don't, b/c they got a vet checkup and we were told they were very healthy) don't you think they would've obtained everything by now... Someone said just opening the new box in the room of your current collection is enough to spread whatever they have to your whole collection, so shouldn't being shipped in the same small box be enough to spread what they.. But thankfully they dont have any types of disease, or infections, or parasites, thanks to our awesome vet!

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thats impossible to say because there is 2 virii that they dont even have a test for other than after the animal is dead! and IBD is one of them the other no one is quite sure what it is. and from all ive heard both could be airborne as well as contact

i hope your trying to buy an incubator now.

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Originally Posted by nixer

thats impossible to say because there is 2 virii that they dont even have a test for other than after the animal is dead! and IBD is one of them the other no one is quite sure what it is. and from all ive heard both could be airborne as well as contact

i hope your trying to buy an incubator now.

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Really? wow, thanks for the info nixer i appreciate it! yea, but my uncle is actually friends with the breeder, and his friend said the snakes have never had any symptoms of ibd such as stargazing in their life (he raised them up from hatchlings)... And yea, im already building my incubator, i got the plans from here: http://www.eyehit.com/degei/supportf.../inc/index.htm

its an awesome and simple design and looks like it could fit a few egg boxes :)

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Originally Posted by DBD

Oh i respect him a lot! and i respect everyone here, I dont care wether they've been doing this for 100 years or a week, i show everyone the same amount of respect.

I just have to reply to what you said before:
"Quarantine doesn't do any good if you place the 2 animals together."

Well, the reasoning behind quaranting is to provent your current collection from getting any disease or mites that your new snakes could potentially have... correct? Well, if these animals had any disease or parasites (which they don't, b/c they got a vet checkup and we were told they were very healthy) don't you think they would've obtained everything by now... Someone said just opening the new box in the room of your current collection is enough to spread whatever they have to your whole collection, so shouldn't being shipped in the same small box be enough to spread what they.. But thankfully they dont have any types of disease, or infections, or parasites, thanks to our awesome vet!

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Did the vets do any blood work or take a stool sample to make sure there are no parasites/critters? Quarentine needs to be started over in your quarentine room if you get new animals in.

QTing can be just for the remainder of your collection but it can also be between QTed animals. Again like many husbandry choices it depends on how much risk you want to take.

If you have a quarantine setup and put 3 animals from 3 different breeders in the same quarantine setup you run the risk of one of the animals having an issue and "infecting" the other 2 animals. So QT can be used not just to keep your current collection healthy but also from other animals in QT. Again this is just a choice just as QTing is a choice.

So while QTing new animals all together protects your current collection...it doesn't protect the QT animals from each other.

That being said even with a bill of health from the vet I believe you said he hadn't run a fecal exam on them yet (e.g. poop exam). So what this means is you really don't know for sure that by breeding they aren't spreading something between one another because they haven't gotten a full "clean" bill of health back from the vet.

Now if you got both of these animals from the same breeder then there is a lower risk of one infecting the other....simply because chances are good if one has something already the other does too. But generically speaking it's a good idea to make sure animals are 100% healthy before breeding them......again though everyone is entitled to take as much or as little risk with their collection and breeding as they want.

I hope that makes sense and is helpful for you.

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Originally Posted by DBD

Oh i respect him a lot! and i respect everyone here, I dont care wether they've been doing this for 100 years or a week, i show everyone the same amount of respect.

I just have to reply to what you said before:
"Quarantine doesn't do any good if you place the 2 animals together."

Well, the reasoning behind quaranting is to provent your current collection from getting any disease or mites that your new snakes could potentially have... correct? Well, if these animals had any disease or parasites (which they don't, b/c they got a vet checkup and we were told they were very healthy) don't you think they would've obtained everything by now... Someone said just opening the new box in the room of your current collection is enough to spread whatever they have to your whole collection, so shouldn't being shipped in the same small box be enough to spread what they.. But thankfully they dont have any types of disease, or infections, or parasites, thanks to our awesome vet!

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Originally Posted by jpman78

QTing can be just for the remainder of your collection but it can also be between QTed animals. Again like many husbandry choices it depends on how much risk you want to take.

If you have a quarantine setup and put 3 animals from 3 different breeders in the same quarantine setup you run the risk of one of the animals having an issue and "infecting" the other 2 animals. So QT can be used not just to keep your current collection healthy but also from other animals in QT. Again this is just a choice just as QTing is a choice.

So while QTing new animals all together protects your current collection...it doesn't protect the QT animals from each other.

That being said even with a bill of health from the vet I believe you said he hadn't run a fecal exam on them yet (e.g. poop exam). So what this means is you really don't know for sure that by breeding they aren't spreading something between one another because they haven't gotten a full "clean" bill of health back from the vet.

Now if you got both of these animals from the same breeder then there is a lower risk of one infecting the other....simply because chances are good if one has something already the other does too. But generically speaking it's a good idea to make sure animals are 100% healthy before breeding them......again though everyone is entitled to take as much or as little risk with their collection and breeding as they want.

I hope that makes sense and is helpful for you.

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Nicely Said JPMan,
I got these snakes all from the same breeder, in the same package, so if one had anything, the rest would probably too. I also emailed him before they came to see if they were house near eachother, and he said the males had been housed together and the female had been housed together (male container, female conatiner)... the two containers next to eachother in the rack system... He also said that very week, the newsprint would be changed and sprayed with provent-a-mite since they were hatchling (he raised them up)... Now you may say that he might of been telling somewhat of a lie, but this is one of my uncles friends, and my uncle does a lot of business with him, so the guy knows, if anything were wrong with these snake (disease, parasites, mis-labeled animals) that he would lose all business with us, and he doesnt do very well business in the first place :) lol

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Originally Posted by stangs13

Did the vets do any blood work or take a stool sample to make sure there are no parasites/critters? Quarentine needs to be started over in your quarentine room if you get new animals in.

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I actually wasn't there (i was in school), but my father took them to the vet and got them checked out, and said they ran a lot of tests, and blood tests were one of them... & the vet also checked off a list of things to check with reptiles for my dad to take home, and they did a lot of stuff, i wish i were there to video tape it, that would have been very interesting :) the only thing that isnt checked off is the fecal exam, and we just have to wait for these guys to poop and we're gonna bring them in...

Good luck for your breeding season, those pictures don't look like locks to me, but if what you say is true, you may have some luck.

I've been keeping snakes for 5+ years and reptiles for 7+ years. I am now just slightly confident to start breeding with my knowledge of corn snakes (a good beginning breeder) for the experience. (Alb x Normal so there will be little value worth). I still do not feel I am ready to breed bps, as to me, I feel it's important to get everything else down first and try to make things as perfect as possible everywhere else.

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Originally Posted by DBD

Nicely Said JPMan,
I got these snakes all from the same breeder, in the same package, so if one had anything, the rest would probably too. I also emailed him before they came to see if they were house near eachother, and he said the males had been housed together and the female had been housed together (male container, female conatiner)... the two containers next to eachother in the rack system... He also said that very week, the newsprint would be changed and sprayed with provent-a-mite since they were hatchling (he raised them up)... Now you may say that he might of been telling somewhat of a lie, but this is one of my uncles friends, and my uncle does a lot of business with him, so the guy knows, if anything were wrong with these snake (disease, parasites, mis-labeled animals) that he would lose all business with us, and he doesnt do very well business in the first place :) lol

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thats enough for me i wont be buying from richmond constrictors houseing snakes together!

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Originally Posted by nixer

thats enough for me i wont be buying from richmond constrictors houseing snakes together!

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Oh no, they arent from richmond constrictors lol Your getting my albino and my het albinos confused... I bought my albino from richmond constrictors, and the hets are from a private breeder, not like a company or anything... And yea, truthfully, i dont think ill be doing much business with him anymore anyways... Im looking to get a female pin and a male lesser from bhb or somewhere thats more heard of... Then from there, im just gonna produce.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

Good luck for your breeding season, those pictures don't look like locks to me, but if what you say is true, you may have some luck.

I've been keeping snakes for 5+ years and reptiles for 7+ years. I am now just slightly confident to start breeding with my knowledge of corn snakes (a good beginning breeder) for the experience. (Alb x Normal so there will be little value worth). I still do not feel I am ready to breed bps, as to me, I feel it's important to get everything else down first and try to make things as perfect as possible everywhere else.

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Nice! thats a lot of years of keeping herps! Ive been keeping bp's for a while now, since i was about 9... Then i got an rtb at 13 or 14, then at around 14 i really started getting into the whole reptile thing :) Ive been keeping reptiles since i was 5, but they werent bp's they were like frogs, and corns... I had some help from my parents at the time though, since i was so small :) so its been about 6 years i've been keeping bp's and 10 since my first reptile :) i have a pretty decent sized collection now, consisting of 15 snakes (13 bp's and 2 rtb's) And if you have the time, and space, you should definately giving breeding bp's a shot! Its not all that hard, and looks to be very rewarding in the end! Also, i gently lifted one of the tails slightly and the hemipenes were in the females vent! So if thats not locking up idk what is :) lol

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Originally Posted by DBD

Nicely Said JPMan,
I got these snakes all from the same breeder, in the same package, so if one had anything, the rest would probably too. I also emailed him before they came to see if they were house near eachother, and he said the males had been housed together and the female had been housed together (male container, female conatiner)... the two containers next to eachother in the rack system... He also said that very week, the newsprint would be changed and sprayed with provent-a-mite since they were hatchling (he raised them up)... Now you may say that he might of been telling somewhat of a lie, but this is one of my uncles friends, and my uncle does a lot of business with him, so the guy knows, if anything were wrong with these snake (disease, parasites, mis-labeled animals) that he would lose all business with us, and he doesnt do very well business in the first place :) lol

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Then are you sure the snakes you receved are actually het albinos then? I mean, if they where housed with other males and females that all look identical...then there could easily be a mix up.

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Originally Posted by DBD

I actually wasn't there (i was in school), but my father took them to the vet and got them checked out, and said they ran a lot of tests, and blood tests were one of them... & the vet also checked off a list of things to check with reptiles for my dad to take home, and they did a lot of stuff, i wish i were there to video tape it, that would have been very interesting :) the only thing that isnt checked off is the fecal exam, and we just have to wait for these guys to poop and we're gonna bring them in...

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They already have the results for the blood testing?! That is the fastest I have ever seen them get back...:confused:

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Originally Posted by stangs13

Then are you sure the snakes you receved are actually het albinos then? I mean, if they where housed with other males and females that all look identical...then there could easily be a mix up.



They already have the results for the blood testing?! That is the fastest I have ever seen them get back...:confused:

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Yes they are definately het albinos, the guy didnt mix em up with normals lol He bred a albino to normal and got 100% hets, and put males in one container, and females into another, most were sold off early but he held a few to raise up (the ones i purchased)...
And when they did the blood work stuff, they checked off that they took blood and they said it takes like 24-48 hours to get results... So they got back to us on the results on Friday, and they said, they tried to get results before the weekend because they wouldn't be in the lab on the weekend, and then would have to get results on monday...

Ok, I sure hope your right.