Spider X Normal

I have a normal female that I would love to try and breed when she reaches breeding size/weight. I love the spider balls and would love to try to make some. From what I understand I just need a male spider...correct? If anyone could help me out that would be great...I somehow reached a page on BP.net about Ball Python breeding...the link was on the care-sheet page...and after reading it I think it says that a Normal X Spider= A potential clutch of 50% Normals 50% Spiders....someone please confirm this for me? :please:

Any help/advice is greatly appreciated!!
PS...if anyone that responds happens to breed Spiders or have a male that is about 8 months old (so he is the same approx. age as my female) I would be very interested in a purchase if the price is right...If you are in Indiana I would even be interested in meeting up when the two reach breeding age and splitting the clutch??? Do people do this??

Thanks again! Josh and Ocho:snake:

You don't need to worry too much about the snakes being the same age, as long as both are of breeding weight just so you know ;)

Thanks...I am obviously new to the idea of breeding...and this project is definately in the future...Do you know about the whole "me just needing a male spider"...thing? Cause if so, I am going to look at purchasing him soon as I would like to say that "I raised mommy and daddy and here are the babies"...lol...sound ridiculous? Sorry :)

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Originally Posted by irock_2006

Thanks...I am obviously new to the idea of breeding...and this project is definately in the future...Do you know about the whole "me just needing a male spider"...thing? Cause if so, I am going to look at purchasing him soon as I would like to say that "I raised mommy and daddy and here are the babies"...lol...sound ridiculous? Sorry :)

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Yes you only need a male to get 50/50 spiders/normals. Spiders are co-doms so only one parent needs to be carrying the gene that you want to be visual on the offspring. Other co-doms are pastels, lessers, mojave, cinnamons, black pastels. Those are just a few and some of the more affordable morphs. Males are also sexually mature before females.

Oh yup all you need to make spider BP babies with your normal female is a spider male. Each egg will have a 50% chance of being spider and 50% chance of being normal.

It works equally well to have a normal male paired with a spider female. However with the price of cheaper male morphs, and the fact they mature pretty darn fast compared to females, usually people only pair morphs with female morphs.

Brushing up on genetics will help greatly. This is a good read if you haven't read it yet:
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=52847

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Originally Posted by Kryptonian

Yes you only need a male to get 50/50 spiders/normals. Spiders are co-doms so only one parent needs to be carrying the gene that you want to be visual on the offspring. Other co-doms are pastels, lessers, mojave, cinnamons, black pastels. Those are just a few and some of the more affordable morphs. Males are also sexually mature before females.

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The spider gene is a dominant gene, not co-dom.. from what I understand about the spider gene at least.

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

The spider gene is a dominant gene, not co-dom.. from what I understand about the spider gene at least.

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So what is the difference between co-dom and dominent, are the results not the same? a dominent bred to a normal is 50/50 offspring and a codom bred to a normal is the same.

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Originally Posted by Kryptonian

Yes you only need a male to get 50/50 spiders/normals. Spiders are co-doms so only one parent needs to be carrying the gene that you want to be visual on the offspring. Other co-doms are pastels, lessers, mojave, cinnamons, black pastels. Those are just a few and some of the more affordable morphs. Males are also sexually mature before females.

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Wow...thanks for all the replies...I wasn't aware that I could breed a pastel with a norm and have a 50/50 chance of pastels also!! Thank you so much! I love the Spiders, and really like the Pastels...and ofcourse I love my Ocho! Now that I know about the Pastels, I might stumble into a little Bumblebee Breeding Project :D

Thanks again to all that replied!!!! :bow:

Josh and Ocho:snake:

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Originally Posted by Kryptonian

So what is the difference between co-dom and dominent, are the results not the same? a dominent bred to a normal is 50/50 offspring and a codom bred to a normal is the same.

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According to the info on the Genetics/Breeding page on BP.net, the only difference between Co-Dom and Dom is that in Dom's there is no super form....:)

i thought BHB had a super pinstripe, from what i read it doesn't look any different but it throws 100% pins, pin also being called a dom.

Producing 50% chance like the mutant gene parent when bred to a normal is due to being the heterozygous genotype and not specific to the mutation type. For example:

1. Het albino X normal = 50% chance hets
2. Pastel X normal = 50% chance pastel (many don't call Pastels hets but genetically they are heterozygous for the pastel mutation)
3. Pinstripe (at least all except the one proven homozygous so far) X normal = 50% chance Pinstripe.

What determines the mutation type (recessive, co-dominant, or dominant) is how the heterozygous looks (phenotype) compared to normal and compared to the homozygous mutant. Example 1 is a recessive mutation type because the het albinos look normal and only the homozygous albinos are visible morph phenotypes. Example 2 is co-dominant because the heterozygous pastel genotypes are a visible mutation (the Pastel phenotype) and the homozygous pastel genotype are a different phenotype (Super Pastel). Example 3 is the dominant mutation type because the heterozygous and homozygous mutant genotypes are the same phenotype (Pinstripe).

There is not a public proven homozygous spider yet so we still don't know the spider mutation type. If a spider is eventually produced from spider X spider breeding that then goes on to produce a large number of only spiders bred to normal and that spider looks and acts like other spiders then we can assume that spider is dominant. However, given how long spider has been around without this happening it's also possible that spider is homozygous lethal and the eggs from a spider X spider breeding that would have two copies of the spider mutation don't hatch. This would be different than the heterozygous spiders so I think would technically qualify spider as a co-dominant mutation.