Question about Breeding Bumblebee?

I had a opportunities of obtain a super pastel and a spider, from my understanding these 2 will produce a Bumblebee offspring if everything goes well.

So who should be the male or female on the 2 (super pastel and spider). I wanted to make sure I make a right selection. Thanks alot!


Bumblebee = Super Pastel M + Spider F
or Super Pastel F + Spider M

bumblebee= PastelxSpider
Killerbee= SuperpastelxSpider

You would get the same offspring with either one (all the hatchlings would be Pastel, and each egg would have a 50% chance of being Bee).

I think your selection should be based on your future breeding plans. Here are some things to consider:

If you buy a Super Pastel male (and a Spider female), you can breed the Super Pastel male to any Normal female and produce 100% Pastels. That is a powerful male to have! If you have other female morphs, you can breed them all to the Super Pastel and produce some cool snakes right off the bat.

If you buy a female Super Pastel (and a Spider male), you can produce Killerbees (Super Pastel Spider) much quicker. If you produce a male Bee from the above pairing, he might be breedable by the next breeding season (it's also possible that he is not large enough or ready, but depending on when he hatches and what kind of feeder he is, it is possible...). If a male Bee is breedable, you could then breed him back to your female Super Pastel and have a chance at producing Killerbees. If you did the other pairing, it would take a minimum of 2-3 years before you would be able to think of producing Killer Bees because you'd have to raise up the female.

There are advantages and disadvantages to both, so it all depends on what you want to eventually produce.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nagini88

bumblebee= PastelxSpider
Killerbee= SuperpastelxSpider

---

A Bumblebee is a Pastel Spider, so with a Pastel x Spider pairing, each egg would have a 25% chance of receiving both the Pastel and Spider genes that is required to be a Bee.

A Super Pastel (a homozygous Pastel) will always pass off the Pastel gene, so all of the hatchlings will be at least a Pastel. In a Super Pastel x Spider pairing, each egg will have a 50% chance of receiving the Spider gene as well. Since they will automatically receive the Pastel gene, those that receive the Spider gene as well will be Bumblebees. Those that receive a Normal gene from the Spider parent will be Pastel.

In order to produce a Killerbee, you would need to have a Pastel gene coming from both parents and a Spider gene coming from at least one parent. The minimum morphs needed to produce a Killerbee would be a Bumblebee x Pastel pairing.

I'm sorry if you were meaning that a Killerbee was a Super Pastel Spider, but when you put "Killerbee= SuperpastelxSpider", to me that means that you would produce a Killerbee when you cross (x) a Super Pastel and a Spider, which is incorrect. Killerbee = Super Pastel Spider or Killerbee = Bumblebee x Pastel would be the correct way of writing that.

just git er done

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LGL

You would get the same offspring with either one (all the hatchlings would be Pastel, and each egg would have a 50% chance of being Bee).

I think your selection should be based on your future breeding plans. Here are some things to consider:

If you buy a Super Pastel male (and a Spider female), you can breed the Super Pastel male to any Normal female and produce 100% Pastels. That is a powerful male to have! If you have other female morphs, you can breed them all to the Super Pastel and produce some cool snakes right off the bat.

If you buy a female Super Pastel (and a Spider male), you can produce Killerbees (Super Pastel Spider) much quicker. If you produce a male Bee from the above pairing, he might be breedable by the next breeding season (it's also possible that he is not large enough or ready, but depending on when he hatches and what kind of feeder he is, it is possible...). If a male Bee is breedable, you could then breed him back to your female Super Pastel and have a chance at producing Killerbees. If you did the other pairing, it would take a minimum of 2-3 years before you would be able to think of producing Killer Bees because you'd have to raise up the female.

There are advantages and disadvantages to both, so it all depends on what you want to eventually produce.

---

Thanks for the detail information, I really appreciated. I will go for the second recommendation is to buy a female Super Pastel (and a Spider male). I am going to check them out now, hope they still have those available. thanks again....

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Firebelly

Thanks for the detail information, I really appreciated. I will go for the second recommendation is to buy a female Super Pastel (and a Spider male). I am going to check them out now, hope they still have those available. thanks again....

---

This is probably the least expensive route as well. Our bee is still too small for breeding this year, but with 5 pairings I think we will have plenty to work with and next year we will have the bee up to weight to breed. Just a pain on deciding what to breed with such an cool snake. Lets see Cinny, Pastel, mojave... You almost can't go wrong breeding anything to a bee!

check out my gallery i have a nice female bee i produced last year or late 06'. she's a beauty. its a start. i was selling her but people couldn't come up with the loot. if you are interested, i could make you a sweet deal and throw in a stan rupple pastel male. make some awesome killers right off the bat. she is a great feeder. they both are. all my snakes are really. thank god. might have some spiders and pastels this spring too.and hopefully another beeeee!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nagini88

Killerbee= SuperpastelxSpider

---

WRONG!
Super pastel x spider will never equal a killer bee. It will only get you pastels and bumble bees.

A killer bee *is* a super pastel spider, which is not accomplished from breeding a super pastel to a spider. You need to breed a bumble bee to a pastel, a bumble bee to a bumble bee or a bumble bee to a super pastel.
Keep in mind super pastels do not make more super pastels if bred to a normal, so you can't get a super pastel spider (killer bee) from breeding a super pastel x spider.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nagini88

Killerbee= SuperpastelxSpider

---

Wishful thinking ;)

Pastel X Bumblebee = Killerbee

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LGL

You would get the same offspring with either one (all the hatchlings would be Pastel, and each egg would have a 50% chance of being Bee).

I think your selection should be based on your future breeding plans. Here are some things to consider:

If you buy a Super Pastel male (and a Spider female), you can breed the Super Pastel male to any Normal female and produce 100% Pastels. That is a powerful male to have! If you have other female morphs, you can breed them all to the Super Pastel and produce some cool snakes right off the bat.

If you buy a female Super Pastel (and a Spider male), you can produce Killerbees (Super Pastel Spider) much quicker. If you produce a male Bee from the above pairing, he might be breedable by the next breeding season (it's also possible that he is not large enough or ready, but depending on when he hatches and what kind of feeder he is, it is possible...). If a male Bee is breedable, you could then breed him back to your female Super Pastel and have a chance at producing Killerbees. If you did the other pairing, it would take a minimum of 2-3 years before you would be able to think of producing Killer Bees because you'd have to raise up the female.

There are advantages and disadvantages to both, so it all depends on what you want to eventually produce.

---

X2 I couldnt have said it better myself!:gj:

Went to the store and ready to pick the Super Pastel and spider. Thing wasn't the way I wanted. Super Pastel is a Male and Spider (Female) instead. The store owner told me to get the Super Pastel (Male) and wait for the Bumblebee (Female) coming in about 2 weeks later.

What do I expect from breeding the Super Pastel (Male) to BumbleBee (Female)? Killerbee? :confused:

Thanks again...

my suggestion is with all the resources on here, and this is where your coming for asnwers buy one from one of the reputable breeders on here. Not saying the petstore isnt, but here you have access to everything now. just my 2 cents and probably a better deal $$$

What store did you go to? I've never seen a regular store (in my area) sell designer morphs, especially high priced snakes such as super pastels and bumblebees. Normally I only see breeders carry these.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by panthercz

WRONG!
Super pastel x spider will never equal a killer bee. It will only get you pastels and bumble bees.

A killer bee *is* a super pastel spider, which is not accomplished from breeding a super pastel to a spider. You need to breed a bumble bee to a pastel, a bumble bee to a bumble bee or a bumble bee to a super pastel.
Keep in mind super pastels do not make more super pastels if bred to a normal, so you can't get a super pastel spider (killer bee) from breeding a super pastel x spider.

---

A little late there Panthercz...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LGL

A Bumblebee is a Pastel Spider, so with a Pastel x Spider pairing, each egg would have a 25% chance of receiving both the Pastel and Spider genes that is required to be a Bee.

A Super Pastel (a homozygous Pastel) will always pass off the Pastel gene, so all of the hatchlings will be at least a Pastel. In a Super Pastel x Spider pairing, each egg will have a 50% chance of receiving the Spider gene as well. Since they will automatically receive the Pastel gene, those that receive the Spider gene as well will be Bumblebees. Those that receive a Normal gene from the Spider parent will be Pastel.

In order to produce a Killerbee, you would need to have a Pastel gene coming from both parents and a Spider gene coming from at least one parent. The minimum morphs needed to produce a Killerbee would be a Bumblebee x Pastel pairing.

I'm sorry if you were meaning that a Killerbee was a Super Pastel Spider, but when you put "Killerbee= SuperpastelxSpider", to me that means that you would produce a Killerbee when you cross (x) a Super Pastel and a Spider, which is incorrect. Killerbee = Super Pastel Spider or Killerbee = Bumblebee x Pastel would be the correct way of writing that.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sebrina

What store did you go to? I've never seen a regular store (in my area) sell designer morphs, especially high priced snakes such as super pastels and bumblebees. Normally I only see breeders carry these.

---

Yea, it the one an only store that selling all these high priced snakes here in Asia. I wish I am stilling leaving in California, that way I could easily buy from any of the reputation breeders for the morphs that I really wanted. :oops:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Firebelly

Yea, it the one an only store that selling all these high priced snakes here in Asia. I wish I am stilling leaving in California, that way I could easily buy from any of the reputation breeders for the morphs that I really wanted. :oops:

---

What's it called? Do they have a site?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sebrina

What store did you go to? I've never seen a regular store (in my area) sell designer morphs, especially high priced snakes such as super pastels and bumblebees. Normally I only see breeders carry these.

---

Stores do exist that sell designer morphs and some really nice ones at that. A place near Monroeville, PA called the Enclosure will sell high end morphs. They don't tend to keep more than pastels in the store and they tend to keep the morphs in the back. Normally you order what you want from a book they have with pictures and they will place an order for you from breeders they have arrangements with.

Granted they also sell venomous snakes as well as larger snakes such as retics. Additionally you sell four legged herps, spiders, and tropical birds. They also sell supplies and cages.

If you go there ask for Jason and tell them Shandra sent you. Shandra is my wife and I always teased her when we were living in Pittsburgh that Jason was one of her boy friends with as much as they saw each other when we had to pick up our feeder rats/mice on a regular basis.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Gloryhound

Stores do exist that sell designer morphs and some really nice ones at that. A place near Monroeville, PA called the Enclosure will sell high end morphs. They don't tend to keep more than pastels in the store and they tend to keep the morphs in the back. Normally you order what you want from a book they have with pictures and they will place an order for you from breeders they have arrangements with.

Granted they also sell venomous snakes as well as larger snakes such as retics. Additionally you sell four legged herps, spiders, and tropical birds. They also sell supplies and cages.

If you go there ask for Jason and tell them Shandra sent you. Shandra is my wife and I always teased her when we were living in Pittsburgh that Jason was one of her boy friends with as much as they saw each other when we had to pick up our feeder rats/mice on a regular basis.

---

Thats not them breeding them and selling, they aren't even on the floor so like I said never seen a STORE sell designer morphs. What you describe is like selling Avon, I make a deal with Adam (for example) and he gives me his catalog and I sell in the store. The animal is neither produced nor displayed in the store. A Pastel these days isn't something spectacular to carry I've seen pictures of some Petcos carrying them.

I've seen a bumblebee in a Denver pet store and it was produced by the store owner but not technically in the store. It was actually marked less than I've seen them on the Internet (but I've not really been looking much, still out of my price range). He said he was selling well on Kingsnake but was getting hate mail about his prices being too low so raised them online and could no longer sell.