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granite questions
Hey guys, was looking for a little info on granites; first of all, what are 08s going for, I can't seem to find any anywhere, almost every breeder (major or basement) seems to have at least one on their collection page but no one has any for sale, which leads me to my second question, are a lot of people still trying to prove theirs out, like finding true genetic blackbacks or are people just holding them back and dumping them into other projects, thanx in advance.
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Wish I could answer your questions about the specific market for granites...but I don't know much about it. I did wonder though...if you came to your conclusion about breeders not having any for sale through looking at their websites? It's possible that there just aren't many folks working with them to sell....but it's also just as likely that most breeders don't keep their "available" lists updated on their websites...or they just put in the work to list the most popular animals and don't bother inputting data for every baby they may have hatched. If you see a breeder with a granite listed in their collection, I would definitely call them (or e-mail) and see if they had any hatchlings available or coming soon. ;)
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Email Ralph Davis he has everything im am pretty sure he has some. He just has way too many to list.
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mine isnt proven or anything, but I bought her for $30 as a normal back in 07 at the reptile show. she has the granite markers though
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...2/S6301960.jpg
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nagini88, looks like a normal to me. granites have alot more speckeling that extends down the entire sides, and the price tag is a flag for a normal.
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I looked up on the guide and it has all the markings of a granite and I've had numorous people peg her as one. head blush, speckled pattern, neck break. The seller I got her from doesnt breed ball pythons and didnt now anything about them
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Originally Posted by hawaiianice99
nagini88, looks like a normal to me. granites have alot more speckeling that extends down the entire sides, and the price tag is a flag for a normal.
No, I would say that it is a granite.
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here is a granite. see the difference in darkness and speckeling. nagini has a normal.
http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/im...ite_10-alt.jpg
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just because a piebald has no white doesnt mean its not a piebald, I've seen one that had no white on kingsnake one time, but it had the pattern, the intensity of a marking doesnt make or break a snake. and like I said mine isnt proven
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I remember one guy selling genetic granites for some $500 on fauna a couple months back.
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Originally Posted by hawaiianice99
Granites come in many different pattern shapes. Just because yours got a very busy pattern and naginis is more subtle doesn't mean nagini's is not a granite.
I'd say nagini's got the markers and I would think that you could produce some granites with it, gogo breed ;)
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lol she's still a bit small, she's around 500g right now so she still has ome fattening up. I was depagting who to breed her with and wondering if my possible shatter male would be an interesting match
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This is my Granite Female and she's around 1900 grams. She wasn't as cheap as yours.
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...001640x480.jpg
I love all the head blushing and most Granites have the dot behind the head.
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...005640x480.jpg
Ya'll let me know what you think of her?
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very nice girl! what abouts did you pay for her?
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hmmmm.....I am not going to single anyone out...but I think some people here are mislabeling some nice normals as granites....just my opinion tho. :salute:
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Originally Posted by Jerhart
hmmmm.....I am not going to single anyone out...but I think some people here are mislabeling some nice normals as granites....just my opinion tho. :salute:
She was sold as a granite and a normal don't normally go for $300 LOL
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Originally Posted by roosterman2173
She was sold as a granite and a normal don't normally go for $300 LOL
Wow... $300 :O
....like I said...I am not singling anyone out.
Here is a normal I bought a couple years ago for $60. ;)
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s...t/DSCF5945.jpg
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Mine had that busy pattern when she was small. Do you have this snake if so has she changed any?
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Originally Posted by Jerhart
Looks nice you should pair it with a cinny.
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I am totally with Jerhart on this one.
And no its not mine, its a pic i borrowed from RDR.
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Personally, I think it's entirely possible for someone to have bought a genetic granite at a normal price. I also think it's entirely possible to have a snake that has granite traits without it being a specific gene that can be passed on to its offspring. The variability in ball python genetics is crazy like that. The only way to prove an unknown granite is to breed it out and see if it throws true. I don't think it's fair to say someone's snake is definitely a normal just because they got it from an unknown source at a normal price. Nor do I think it's proper to say an unproven snake is definitely a granite just because it has some markers.
Just my two cents. ;)
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Originally Posted by JLC
Nor do I think it's proper to say an unproven snake is definitely a granite just because it has some markers.
I will second that.
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I bought an 06 Genetic granite male from NERD for $150 last year. I also bought an 1800g 05 genetic granite female for $400 this year....so the prices are all over the place....
I am making granites and lemon pastel granites this year.
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Now that is a nice example of a granite.
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I have a Genetic Granite that looks a lot like the OP's. I got her for $200 from someone who also had the father (gorgeous Granite). Mine has all the markers, but is nowhere near as obvious as the father.
Btw, she has been breeding with my YB this season.
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Originally Posted by monk90222
I bought an 06 Genetic granite male from NERD for $150 last year. I also bought an 1800g 05 genetic granite female for $400 this year....so the prices are all over the place....
I am making granites and lemon pastel granites this year.
The female in this post is being paired with a pastel this year. So if nothing else I should get some nicely blushed pastels. [fingers crossed]
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Originally Posted by MuzeBallPythons
I have a Genetic Granite that looks a lot like the OP's. I got her for $200 from someone who also had the father (gorgeous Granite). Mine has all the markers, but is nowhere near as obvious as the father.
Btw, she has been breeding with my YB this season.
Sorry. I meant Nagini's (& actually Roosterman's also), not the OP's.
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which is why I stated first that she isnt proven. I'm not claiming she's a genetic granite until I see if she throws true.
Muze, got any pics?
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But you sure are fighting for it to be one.:rolleyes:
Im just saying that it looks like alot of normals that i have seen and nothing like any granite i have seen. And if the person you got it from sold it for $30 i highly doubt they paid a granite price for it, thus reinforcing my thought its a normal.
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Just because a snake has a granite pattern doesn't mean that you'll be able to easily produce more of the same. It is one of those things that, in my opinion, HAS to be proven to be sold as a genetic granite (unless they are listed as 'possible').
I don't consider my granite looking male to be the result of a simple single gene. None of his offspring ever looked quite like him - a few got dark, and a few had speckled patterns, but never quite both. Here he is with a couple of his daughters, which I sold for $80 each. Like I said, though, I don't consider these genetic granites, but the male has a much more obvious granite pattern than some of the other pics posted.
The top left snake is the male, the others his daughters. He is not in shed in these pictures, but the bottom daughter in the first pic is.
http://www.angelfire.com/mn3/apelila...oup062208b.jpg
http://www.angelfire.com/mn3/apelila...oup062208d.jpg
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Wow Becky Those are HOTTTTTTT! :gj:
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I try ;) All of the babies come out evil as sin, it's fun to be bitten. The mom is a sweety unless mice or any other food source is involved.
It's been awesome getting to see the YB Granites grow up. I kept one and gave one to SarahMB. They are just gorgeous and orange as all get out. I'll have to get some updated pictures and post them.
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Originally Posted by SatanicIntention
. I'll have to get some updated pictures and post them.
Please do!!! :):P
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Originally Posted by aahmn
Just because a snake has a granite pattern doesn't mean that you'll be able to easily produce more of the same. It is one of those things that, in my opinion, HAS to be proven to be sold as a genetic granite (unless they are listed as 'possible').
I don't consider my granite looking male to be the result of a simple single gene. None of his offspring ever looked quite like him - a few got dark, and a few had speckled patterns, but never quite both. Here he is with a couple of his daughters, which I sold for $80 each. Like I said, though, I don't consider these genetic granites, but the male has a much more obvious granite pattern than some of the other pics posted.
The top left snake is the male, the others his daughters. He is not in shed in these pictures, but the bottom daughter in the first pic is.
http://www.angelfire.com/mn3/apelila...oup062208b.jpg
http://www.angelfire.com/mn3/apelila...oup062208d.jpg
It is true that not every BP with a speckling is a genetic granite. It has to be proven. I know that mine is because of her father, but otherwise I would not know. However, speckling (a little or a lot), the break in the neck stripe, and the clear belly are markers for genetic granites.
Nagini, I don't have pics of my collection yet (waiting for my brother to return to FL. to take some professional pics), but I think I have the ones that the seller sent me. I'll try to dig those up.
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http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/album.php?albumid=25
I have not figured out how to post a pic up here, so here's the link to my album...lol.
She is not spectacular by any means, but she has all the markers. Her sister had all except the break in the neck stripe, but she had heavier speckling. I included a picture of dad (who is a pretty nice looking Granite).
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Absolutely gorgeous! I love the Granite YBs! I hope I get some of those this season.
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I remember seeing a pic of a super granite, but I can't for the life of me find it again! It's definately out there, though!
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Originally Posted by ladybird
I remember seeing a pic of a super granite, but I can't for the life of me find it again! It's definately out there, though!
If you find it be sure to post/link it!
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