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Does this look like a pastel to you?
I've been talking to this guy for about a month, he's got an 800g proven breeder male pastel thats he's willing to sell for $200. He's got an 80g male that he'll sell for $100. Here is the picture of the adult male, he says hes in shed at the moment I'm just confused by the flash, it sort of muddles the coloring but I know there are alot of you out there who know all the markings, etc. Can you help a brotha out? Thanks :bow:
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Re: Does this look like a pastel to you?
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Umm...yeah guess that would help huh? :rolleye2: I editied it a little bit in photoshop to bring out a little more color.
http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/q...her/Pastel.jpg
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Re: Does this look like a pastel to you?
According to that pic I would say yes, pastel.
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Re: Does this look like a pastel to you?
It looks like a light normal. I'd have to see a belly/eye pic.
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Re: Does this look like a pastel to you?
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Originally Posted by adamsmasher
Can you please post the original picture?
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Re: Does this look like a pastel to you?
Looks like a pale normal to me :)
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i wish you could get a better pic! When you edited it, you actually made it look like a normal. In my opinion it looks like a browned out pastel, however i would ask for more pics to be certain. Also if you were looking for pastels there are plenty for sale from reputable breeders even here on the forum, then you would be absolutley certain you were buying a male "pastel". Personally i would pass, Good luck.
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Re: Does this look like a pastel to you?
From the faded head, the eyes, and the blushing I say yes it looks like a pastel however not the best example of the morph.
Not sure if you plan on breeding him but remember selective breeding will go a long way.
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well it does make me a little suspicious that he's selling a proven breeder male for 200 bucks. I'm going to go meet him and check his pastel out and if I don't like him I won't get him.
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ga pythons, why do you say he's not a great example, and really I want a pastel to breed with my pinny for lemons so does it really matter since its codom to codom, I have a gorgeous pinny. I've seen pics of his male before and if I remember it was pretty vibrant coloring.
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Yep, I would like to see the orginal picture too (and ask for close ups of the face/eye and belly).
p.s The seller is supposed to be the one convincing YOU that it's the morph that he claims, you aren't supposed to be convincing yourself by photoshopping the pictures to be lighter. :cool:
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Originally Posted by adamsmasher
ga pythons, why do you say he's not a great example, and really I want a pastel to breed with my pinny for lemons so does it really matter since its codom to codom, I have a gorgeous pinny. I've seen pics of his male before and if I remember it was pretty vibrant coloring.
He is just browned and not very appealing.
That you have a great looking pin is fantastic however why would you breed it to an inferior Pastel?
Selective breeding is important if you want to produce good looking offsprings, this mean both individual breeding should be a good example of their morphs.
Let’s say you go to a show and you have 2 snakes next to each other one being the good to great example of what the morph should be, the second one being average to mediocre.
Which one would you chose? Do you want to produce average to mediocre animals or do you want to produce good looking animals that people will actually be proud of owning?
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I can see him being a Pastel, but I'd pass. If you are wanting to produce quality Lemon Blasts (Pastel Pinstripes), then you should use a really nice, bright yellow Pastel. Also, is it just me or does he look a little small to be an 800g Proven Breeder?? Look at his head in relation to his body.
If you aren't completely sure that he's a Pastel by just looking at a picture, then I'm sure that you can find a nicer one for sale.
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Re: Does this look like a pastel to you?
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Originally Posted by broadude
Yep, I would like to see the orginal picture too (and ask for close ups of the face/eye and belly).
p.s The seller is supposed to be the one convincing YOU that it's the morph that he claims, you aren't supposed to be convincing yourself by photoshopping the pictures to be lighter. :cool:
Dunnnh, didn't read the other replies.
I agree that the last original pic appears to be an older Pastel. I have no opinion on whether or not it's a good example. My tendency is to chose traits that I wanted to pass on in the offspring.
For example: Do you want brighter colors? (this pic of a pastel appears to have retained some coloration) longer rention of colors? More blushing? Pick those animals that have the traits you want passed on.
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200.00 is not a low price, you said that it surprised you. Pastels have dropped in price, and there is a huge range of grades (probably the first snake people buy when they get into BPs and the first one they breed - hence alot of them kicking around and many not so great).
He is def a pastel, just a dark one.
Quick peek at the baby and I would pass myself. That baby is going to get very dark.
Bruce
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Originally Posted by Bruce Whitehead
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Quick peek at the baby and I would pass myself. That baby is going to get very dark.
Bruce
How can you tell?
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Re: Does this look like a pastel to you?
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Originally Posted by wax32
How can you tell?
You'll know a bright pastel hatchling when you see one. That one is not a very good example of a Pastel. $200/$100 price tags seem about right.
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Originally Posted by wax32
How can you tell?
My avatar is what my pastel used to look like when I first got him + camera flash and good lighting.
He just shed for me again, and with every shed, more and more brown is showing, but the areas that you see the light brown on top usually will turn darker and the bright pure yellows will stay that color.
That baby in my opinion, doesn't have a whole lot of pure yellow to it at all, so I don't think it would retain the yellow 'desired' color that most people want. :]
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Originally Posted by wax32
How can you tell?
Low yellow and high orange... orange turns brown mostly, and it has a low yellow.
If you look at enough pastels you will start seeing the grades, and learning how they age is a good thing.
I just really doubt that hatchling will mature into a great pastel example.
I love pastels, but depending on your intentions, then it is good to wait till you find one that has the traits you like, even if it is above market price.
Bruce
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I would ask the seller, some detailed questions. What line of Pastel is it? Where were the parents from? What breeder is it from? I cannot honestly form an opinion on whether the larger one is Pastel based on the pics.
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I wouldn't consider either to buy. Yes, they are both pastels but not good ones at all, and if you even consider breeding pastels you will want it to be high yellow, because lets face it, pastel males are almost as hard to sell as normals, and when you get some, do you really want to be stuck with them? Not only that but most people buy their pastels to breed and you do not want to keep passing down the brown to be bred still for other people.
My best advice to give you is go look online and pay a little extra for one that will make everyone go WOW! What I personally do is look at the snake first, and then the price, and so far that has worked out in my favor!
- Matt
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Re: Does this look like a pastel to you?
well I actually met the owner and saw both snakes yesterday. The older male is in shed and I told him I would contact him after the shed to see his coloring and make a decision then. The little guy is was not sired by the adult and I believe he will darken considerably as he gets older.
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When I first got in to ball pythons, my male pastel was one of the first snakes I got. Knowing that I didn't know how to properly spot a 'great' baby pastel that would hold its color, I got my pastel from a reputable online breeder. Said breeder grades his pastels, and I trusted him to pick a nice one for me. Here are some pics:
First, PB (Male Pastel) as a baby. Note the lack of much orange and the intense yellow, especially on his sides. Looking back, you can already see him darkening up a bit along his spine:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g...astelHeart.jpg
Here he is now, at around 900 grams and having just locked with his new girlfriend. Both pictures are with flash, and you can see he held his color on the sides but browned out a little on the top:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g...um/CinnyPB.jpg
From the pictures you provided, I would hold out for a nicer looking pastel. For me, I either want intense yellow or lots of dorsal blushing and I can tell you that even in shed, PB doesn't look that dark. I would pass, and try to find a pastel from a reputable breeder that grades them. How big is your pin? If she is not big enough or old enough to breed this year, I say go with a baby. PB was a baby last year at this time, and as you can see, he is locking up fine.
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Re: Does this look like a pastel to you?
Yes, that is a Pastel. :gj:
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Re: Does this look like a pastel to you?
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Originally Posted by adamsmasher
well I actually met the owner and saw both snakes yesterday. The older male is in shed and I told him I would contact him after the shed to see his coloring and make a decision then. The little guy is was not sired by the adult and I believe he will darken considerably as he gets older.
I can tell even while he is in shed that he will not be a nice looking pastel. Im not trying to be mean or anything I just believe in selective breeding and this would not be a good one for breeding. Ive seens hundreds if not thousands of pastels trust me when I say you will regret getting him when you see the brown babys.
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yeah it looks like a browned out pastel to me. I think the eyes are green but cant tell for sure. I would pass on him. You have to keep in mind that a dark pastel will probably make dark babies. Not too many ppl like a dark pastel making the babies harder to sell. Just my 2 cents. Thats probably why he is selling him soo cheap.
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From the original picture, I would say it's a pastel for certain. The browning areas showing over the lower yellow tells me that it's a browned out pastel.
You should NEVER alter a picture for color then ask for a opinion on status. There's no reason to 'enhance' the color in a picture when you're trying to determine if it's a pastel. It actually contradicts the reason for posting a picture at all.
With pastels so down in price, you should really try for a quality pastel so you get bright babys. When you could get a super high quality pastel for about the same price or just a little more, it would pay you in the long run to go ahead and find a better speciman.
Just my opinion, and I hope it helps.
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