Base Mutations

I’m still trying to learn all the mutations in Ball Pythons, here’s my list so far:

Recessive traits:
Albino
Axanthic
Carmel Albino
Clown
Flame Hypo
G1 Hypo (Is this the same thing as Ghost?)
Genetic Strip
Ghost
Lavender Albino
Piebald

Co-Dominate traits:
Black Head / Super Black Head
Black Pastel / Unsure of the super form’s names
Butter / Blue-Eyed Lucy
Chocolate / Super Chocolate
Cinnamon / Super Cinnamon
Enchi / Super Enchi
Fire / Black-Eyed Lucy
Granite / Unsure of super form’s name
Het Red Axanthic / Red Axanthic (I’ve only seen Het Red Axanthic, and am therefore assuming it’s co-dominate, would love to see some pics of these)
Lesser Platinum / Blue-Eyed Lucy
Lori Ball / Super Lori Ball
Mocha / Super Mocha (Would love to see pics of these)
Mojave / Blue-Eyed Lucy
Pastel / Super Pastel
Phantom / Super Phantom
Russo het Leucisitc / Blue-Eyed Lucy
Sable / Super Sable
Spotnose / Power Ball (would love to see pics of these as well)
Vanilla / Super Vanilla
Woma / Pearl (Pearls are a weak gene)
Yellow Belly / Ivory

Dominate traits:
Calico
Champagne
Coral Glow
Pinstripe
Platty Daddy
Spider

Different allele forms depending on linage:
Desert Ghost. Dominate or recessive.
Genetic Banded

Not Proven Genetic Yet:
Bengal
Black Patternless (Would love to see pics)
Burgundy (Would love to see pics)
Burgundy Albino (Would love to see pics)
Circus (Would love to see pics)
Inferno
IMG (Would love to see pics)
Jungle
Neo (Would love to see pics)
Mint Pearl (Would love to see pics)
Patternless
Paragon (Would love to see pics)
Sunset (Would love to see pics)
Viper (Would love to see pics)

Which ones am I missing? If you have pics of the ones I’m missing if you could post those pics, that’d be great. Also, if I have mutations mislabeled (co-dom, dom, recessive) please correct that, or any other mistake you might find.

Thanks, Nick

If you want to learn about all the morphs out there you should check out the Book "Designer Morphs" and "Pythons of the Wolrd, Vol 2". These books have tons of information and includes great pictures as well.

http://www.designermorphs.com

or

http://www.vpi.com/

http://www.debscaptivebredballpython...tent.asp?cid=7

Thats a pretty comprehensive list and shows the breeding possibilities within each... Unfortunately no pics but still has a lot of useful info

Coral Glow is a combo resessive its hypo and carmel albino

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Originally Posted by nixer

Coral Glow is a combo resessive its hypo and carmel albino

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Correct me if I'm wrong but a Carmel Glow not a Coral Glow is a Ghost x Carmel Albino?

Carmel Glow: http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ll-python.html

Coral Glow: http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ll-python.html

I know a Lavender Albino is recessive, but the Coral Glow almost looks like the Super Form of a Lavender Albino.

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Originally Posted by Mischke

Correct me if I'm wrong but a Carmel Glow not a Coral Glow is a Ghost x Carmel Albino?

Carmel Glow: http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ll-python.html

Coral Glow: http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ll-python.html

I know a Lavender Albino is recessive, but the Coral Glow almost looks like the Super Form of a Lavender Albino.

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oops i thought you were talking about the other

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Originally Posted by Mischke

Correct me if I'm wrong but a Carmel Glow not a Coral Glow is a Ghost x Carmel Albino?

Carmel Glow: http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ll-python.html

Coral Glow: http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ll-python.html

I know a Lavender Albino is recessive, but the Coral Glow almost looks like the Super Form of a Lavender Albino.

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coral glow is supposed to be the same thing as a banana

Is G1 hypo the same thing as ghost? Also what does “G” in G1 stand for?

Just plain "hypo" is the same as "ghost" but I believe the G1 Hypo is another recessive line that Graziani proved from imports that looks a lot like ghost but isn't compatible so he gave it a new name.

As far as Dominant I think only pinstripe has been proven so far. For the others I think this is the status:

Calico – Wasn’t a homozygous produced this year (so technically not proven out to be homozygous through breeding yet) and it was more extreme than the hets? If so then calico would be like pastel and co-dominant.

Champagne - Don't think the females were old enough yet to put this one to the test. So we know it's some type of dominant but might be the co-dominant type rather than completely dominant.

Coral Glow - Again, at least the public doesn't know yet if a homozygous banana/coral glow/white smoke has even been attempted yet.

Platty Daddy – It sure looks like this is a combo in the blue eyed leucistic complex like karma or crystal or a mojave lesser leucistic. Platy appears to be one lesser mutant version and one hidden mutant version of the same gene.

Spider - No public proven homozygous spider close to 20 years after the founder was imported so it's looking like this could be homozygous lethal which would technically be co-dominant as the homozygous would be different than the mutant het.

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

Just plain "hypo" is the same as "ghost" but I believe the G1 Hypo is another recessive line that Graziani proved from imports that looks a lot like ghost but isn't compatible so he gave it a new name.

As far as Dominant I think only pinstripe has been proven so far. For the others I think this is the status:

Calico – Wasn’t a homozygous produced this year (so technically not proven out to be homozygous through breeding yet) and it was more extreme than the hets? If so then calico would be like pastel and co-dominant.

Champagne - Don't think the females were old enough yet to put this one to the test. So we know it's some type of dominant but might be the co-dominant type rather than completely dominant.

Coral Glow - Again, at least the public doesn't know yet if a homozygous banana/coral glow/white smoke has even been attempted yet.

Platty Daddy – It sure looks like this is a combo in the blue eyed leucistic complex like karma or crystal or a mojave lesser leucistic. Platy appears to be one lesser mutant version and one hidden mutant version of the same gene.

Spider - No public proven homozygous spider close to 20 years after the founder was imported so it's looking like this could be homozygous lethal which would technically be co-dominant as the homozygous would be different than the mutant het.

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Thanks for the information! I know on the NERD site they had most of the dominate mutations listed as dominate with a TBD besides it, so i figured if they where going to list it as Dominate instead of Co-Dom, there must have been some kind of discernment that made them do so. Guess not...

Does anybody have pics of Het Red Axanthic or Red Axanthic, if Red Axanthic even exist?

Thanks, Nick

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Originally Posted by Mischke

Thanks for the information! I know on the NERD site they had most of the dominate mutations listed as dominate with a TBD besides it, so i figured if they where going to list it as Dominate instead of Co-Dom, there must have been some kind of discernment that made them do so. Guess not...

Does anybody have pics of Het Red Axanthic or Red Axanthic, if Red Axanthic even exist?

Thanks, Nick

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TBD = To be Decided

Trying to prove out my big Burgundy...

http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/large020.jpg

http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/large028.jpg

http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/large013.jpg

http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/large026.jpg

And correct me if I'm wrong but the het. red axanthic is het for black backs...

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Originally Posted by Koolaid

And correct me if I'm wrong but the het. red axanthic is het for black backs...

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Alright, you're wrong.
Het reds are a co-dom mutation, the homozygous Red Axanthic is obviously the super and does exist.
Proven by Corey Woods.
Google it. I don't post pictures that don't belong to me and my het red female is in shed.
-Steven

http://www.coreywoods.com/RedAxanthic/RA14.jpg

Is that a good example of a homozygous form of a Red Axanthic?

Also found this:

http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/co...all_python.asp

That's what I was thinking haha... but I remember someone selling them and saying that het. red axanthics will make nice black backs.... I was a little confused... but I know that het. red axanthics are blackbacks so I don't really know why I said that last post... I'm an idiot haha :rofl:

I think some use the term "dominant" for something like "we know it's not recessive and is some sort of dominant". Sort of a holding area while we find out if it's co-dominant or not. But now that pinstripe has been proven completely dominant it's a little confusing. I tend to throw the word "completely" in front of dominant for an animal like pinstripe where the homozygous looks like the heterozygous mutant but I'm not sure that's the best way. It might be better if the holding category was just changed to "some type of dominant" and just "dominant" was reserved for the proven animals of which I believe pinstripe is the only ball python and even that is still very new and based only on BHB's reptile radio interview.

[QUOTE=RandyRemington;940583]I think some use the term "dominant" for something like "we know it's not recessive and is some sort of dominant". Sort of a holding area while we find out if it's co-dominant or not. But now that pinstripe has been proven completely dominant it's a little confusing. I tend to throw the word "completely" in front of dominant for an animal like pinstripe where the homozygous looks like the heterozygous mutant but I'm not sure that's the best way. It might be better if the holding category was just changed to "some type of dominant" and just "dominant" was reserved for the proven animals of which I believe pinstripe is the only ball python and even that is still very new and based only on BHB's reptile radio interview

Randy, Maybe the term "visually dominant " could be considered for mutations like the Pinstripe -- i.e. when he super form looks he same as the base morph.
:confused::confused:

Does anybody have pics of any of the other mutations?