my pastel (first BP)

this is my first ball python :snake:, waited a few months to shop at the hamburg, PA reptile show and found him after looking at countless potential pets... i knew i wanted either a mojave or pastel after researching, found him at a breeder who got him from two pastels, so i guess his lineage is dominant pastel... guy wanted $100 and i didnt even hesitate at the price for the beauty... he was hatched 6/4/08, and has been a great pet since ive had him, he loves sleeping on me, eats very well, and never nipped once... in the future i want to breed him with a mojave and get myself some pastaves... let me know what you think of him, sorry for the crappy sideways pix, took them on my iphone

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Get yourself 2 identical hides, lose the half log, theyre terrible hides.

He's a looker, good find.

(Is that cage completely fogged up from humidity? You need to get something in there to measure the humidity if thats the case.)

what are you using to get all that fog or humidity ?

im using a digital hygrometer/thermometer as you can see on the back wall of the tank in the fog pictures, im using a exo-terra utrasonic fogger, gets humidity up to 70% in no time with the top screen fully uncovered even, im going to pick up another hide soon and ditch the half log... im also planning on picking up a 40 breeder to accomodate a second ball python, planning on a female mojave like i said, also probably going to switch to cypress mulch soon... thank you for the kind words !

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im using a digital hygrometer/thermometer as you can see on the back wall of the tank in the fog pictures, im using a exo-terra utrasonic fogger, gets humidity up to 70% in no time with the top screen fully uncovered even, im going to pick up another hide soon and ditch the half log... im also planning on picking up a 40 breeder to accomodate a second ball python, planning on a female mojave like i said, also probably going to switch to cypress mulch soon... thank you for the kind words !

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nice i might get one of those foggers is it always on ??

Very nice snake. Cool fogger too, I was just looking at an ad for that.

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im using a digital hygrometer/thermometer as you can see on the back wall of the tank in the fog pictures, im using a exo-terra utrasonic fogger, gets humidity up to 70% in no time with the top screen fully uncovered even, im going to pick up another hide soon and ditch the half log... im also planning on picking up a 40 breeder to accomodate a second ball python, planning on a female mojave like i said, also probably going to switch to cypress mulch soon... thank you for the kind words !

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As been stated before, please ditch the log and pick up two(not one) identical hides for him.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but when you say you're getting a 40gallon breeder, are you going to be putting them together? -Raises a brow.-

The fogger is not always on, I fog it up for a half hour to an hour till the humidity raised to 70% and turn it off, by the next morning it's down to 55% and I repeat the process, it's good for simulating morning dew

As for the two hides, I'm getting them for the 40 breeder, actually I'm getting 3, because I do plan on putting both a mojave and pastel together... So I do believe that answers both issues

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The fogger is not always on, I fog it up for a half hour to an hour till the humidity raised to 70% and turn it off, by the next morning it's down to 55% and I repeat the process, it's good for simulating morning dew

As for the two hides, I'm getting them for the 40 breeder, actually I'm getting 3, because I do plan on putting both a mojave and pastel together... So I do believe that answers both issues

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-Winces a little bit.- Please don't keep them together. You'll hear it much more bluntly from other people, but there are numerous reasons why you should NOT be keeping multiple snakes in one enclosure.
1. The chance of cannibalism.
2. The stress factor.
3. Them vying for the warmest spots.

Just to name a few.

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-Winces a little bit.- Please don't keep them together. You'll hear it much more bluntly from other people, but there are numerous reasons why you should NOT be keeping multiple snakes in one enclosure.
1. The chance of cannibalism.
2. The stress factor.
3. Them vying for the warmest spots.

Just to name a few.

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good to know, should i get two 30 breeders to give them enough room to be comfortable and introduce them to breed them ? im sure i can find use of the current 20G long... more space for more :snake:

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good to know, should i get two 30 breeders to give them enough room to be comfortable and introduce them to breed them ? im sure i can find use of the current 20G long... more space for more :snake:

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Are you more interested in something that's aesthetically pleasing or in something that will be cheap, easy to clean, and easy to replace, more comfortable for the snake as a whole(imho) or...?

honestly one of my favorite parts of this hobby is setting up enclosures, personally i dont mind the maintenance, and it helps keep me busy... i dont like being idle, i really like going with a natural themed setup, and even though its a bit pricier i like the tanks as show pieces in my room... call me silly if you want :rolleye2:, but compared to saltwater this hobby is cheap :D

No comments on care requirements here... i'm pretty new to the snake world as well. But, cute snake!

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honestly one of my favorite parts of this hobby is setting up enclosures, personally i dont mind the maintenance, and it helps keep me busy... i dont like being idle, i really like going with a natural themed setup, and even though its a bit pricier i like the tanks as show pieces in my room... call me silly if you want :rolleye2:, but compared to saltwater this hobby is cheap :D

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Alright, well, they need, at minimum, two identical hides(one on the hot side[90-94F] and one on the cold side[~80-86F]), a water bowl(duh), and some sort of substrate that will help keep humidity in. Humidity should range approximately 50-70%.

If you want an inexpensive setup, some plastic tubs from Lowes, a cheap water bowl, a Sterilite tub, an uth, a thermostat and a snake.

Now if you're going for aesthetics, that gets a bit more pricey. I'm pretty sure aspen is the bedding of choice around these parts. You can get really nice rock hides from http://www.reptilesupply.com/index.php?cPath=31_35 or from www.lllreptile.com or http://www.bigappleherp.com

You can also get other accessories from most of these cites too.

Temps are the same requirements for this as well.

thank you, not my first snake, first ball python, i had a 3' brown decay snake, that had a live clutch of 46... lol, i gave a few away... thats it as far as snakes go, had a few anoles, an iguana, turtles, i guess working at an exotic pet shop always had me interested in herps, we had a few exotics, alligator snapping turts, big monitors, a few venomous, a green anaconda, alot of fun stuff... but now (3 years after working there) im getting back into the hobby big, should be some fun stuff coming

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thank you, not my first snake, first ball python, i had a 3' brown decay snake, that had a live clutch of 46... lol, i gave a few away... thats it as far as snakes go, had a few anoles, an iguana, turtles, i guess working at an exotic pet shop always had me interested in herps, we had a few exotics, alligator snapping turts, big monitors, a few venomous, a green anaconda, alot of fun stuff... but now (3 years after working there) im getting back into the hobby big, should be some fun stuff coming

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Well, we're all here to help in any way we can.

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-Winces a little bit.- Please don't keep them together. You'll hear it much more bluntly from other people, but there are numerous reasons why you should NOT be keeping multiple snakes in one enclosure.
1. The chance of cannibalism.
2. The stress factor.
3. Them vying for the warmest spots.

Just to name a few.

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LOL:rofl:You crack me up. Good info though.:gj:

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Well, we're all here to help in any way we can.

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absolutely 100% why im here... after this i know my next investment will be 2 new hides... thanks for the links, checking them out now, awesome stuff

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absolutely 100% why im here... after this i know my next investment will be 2 new hides... thanks for the links, checking them out now, awesome stuff

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Most definitely. -Grins.- I get to pick up my temp guns after Christmas. Mwahaha. That, and I'll be saving up more money for another rack system. -Cackles.-

And if you ever decide you just want to do really inexpensive enclosures, plastic's the way to go. Most of the people here will vouch for that. ^_^

oh, well.... I have racks, but I really like my Reptile Basics 3x2x1 cages :D
It is so nice to see my snakes come out at night and slither around!! These cages are really well made and hold temp and humidity very well and (my) snakes all feel very secure in these cages :gj:

If your snake came from 2 pastels then the babies had a 25% chance of being homozygous pastel (super pastel).
Yours however is definitely a heterozygous animal.
50% chance of it's offspring to be pastel.
-Steven

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If your snake came from 2 pastels then the babies had a 25% chance of being homozygous pastel (super pastel).
Yours however is definitely a heterozygous animal.
50% chance of it's offspring to be pastel.
-Steven

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interesting, if i bred him with a mojave what would the clutch outcome be hypothetically from a genetic standpoint, and how did you notice that hes from a pastel/norm mix ? i was told 2 pastel parents, even saw pics of mom and dad

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interesting, if i bred him with a mojave what would the clutch outcome be hypothetically from a genetic standpoint, and how did you notice that hes from a pastel/norm mix ? i was told 2 pastel parents, even saw pics of mom and dad

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I don't think he's disputing that he came from a pastel x pastel breeding, he's simply stating that you would get super pastels, pastels and normals all in the same clutch and that yours is a pastel, and not a super pastel.


When you breed pastel to mojave you can produce normals, mojaves, pastels, and pastel-mojaves.

Looks like a nice setup there man. I'm with Starmom, if you're looking for an asthetically pleasing enclosure RBI can't be beat. Their 2X3X1 cages are great for people that are looking for a nice enclosure that is easy to maintain and are perfect for ball pythons. Rich (the owner of RBI) is incredible to deal with and is always more than happy to answer any questions you've got.

Plus you wouldn't have to worry about that fogger as it's much easier to maintain temps in a PVC cage than in an open lidded tank. Save the foggers for some frogs or something that needs a damp environment. BPs need a fairly humid environment. Big difference there.
Good luck man!

I’m new to ball pythons, but not so much to genetics. I believe that both Pastels and Mojaves are co-dominate mutations.

Pastel x Pastel:
25% Normal
50% Pastel (This is what you have)
25% Normal

Pastel x Mojave:
25% Normal
25% Mojave
25% Pastel
25% Pastel Mojaves

From what I’ve read the Pastels that come from a Pastel x Pastel pairing are generally better looking than Pastels that come for Pastel x Normal pairings.

hmmm... not a bad outcome... pastave is what im dying for, so in a clutch of 6 eggs i should get at least one... sounds promising