Need some perspective (gore)

I am pretty angry about something, which means I am probably not seeing things clearly. I would like some of the folks here with tabula rasa to review the situation and tell me if I'm being unreasonable.

The following photo is of a snake that is currently in the condition depicted in the photograph:

http://pics.livejournal.com/maru_mar...4r45x/s640x480

The person who has this snake now claims to have "rescued it from the freezer" - as in a guy at a petshop left a rat in with this snake and was going to freeze it when he discovered her in this condition. The "rescuer" took the snake home and has rinsed her wounds with betadine, but not taken the snake to the vet for pain meds, ABs, or any other kind of evaluation or treatment. The list of excuses for this is a mile long. She is online asking strangers for treatment advice but completely ignores calls for the animal to be taken to the hospital. :rage:

Is it just me or is this... abhorrent beyond belief? Am i just being emotive? Should this snake just... be allowed to try to heal itself with no treatment or pain meds? I just can't get over that someone would allow an animal to suffer like this. I said in a fit of anger that i'd like to call animal control on this person, and they offered their address so i could do it. I am afraid AC would laugh at me if i did it, and it would be horribly awkward all the while "hi, i was online and someone was being mean to a snake". like... wtf.

Please tell me i'm not crazy :confused::rolleye2:

What, if anything, can i do?? I am so upset...

That is the WORST rat damage I have ever seen.

That snake needs extensive veterinary care, or needs to be put down.

That is HORRIBLE.

:mad::mad::mad:

But, there is very little that you can do... Unless this woman gets the hint.

Pray?? :please:

-Bites her bottom lip and wipes away her tears.-

Just...someone save that poor snake. Please. If I found that snake, I'd have dropped everything and taken him/her to the vet. I'd have paid anything I could to take care of it. I'd have just...omfg. What kind of a human being tries to take care of an animal like that with no experience? I can't even type I'm crying so hard. It's breaking my heart. How can anyone be so blind?

I'd call animal control. I'd call the police. I'd call a nearby vet. I'd do whatever I could, but I don't know how to get hold of these people and where this person lives.

That is terrible. That snake needs a vet and fast!!!

Is anyone in Michigan who can go help?!?!

I am beyond words

If you are emotional and angry beyond belief, you are totally in your right mind. As stated in a previous post, the snake needs to be taken to the vet for extensive work or be put down. Nothing less is acceptable.

That snake MIGHT be able to survive those wounds without vet care, but I would bet against it. It would be hard for me to believe that whoever is taking care of that snake will be able to prevent a fatal infection without a trip to the vet.

I can't believe people sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Morphie

I am pretty angry about something, which means I am probably not seeing things clearly. I would like some of the folks here with tabula rasa to review the situation and tell me if I'm being unreasonable.

The following photo is of a snake that is currently in the condition depicted in the photograph:


The person who has this snake now claims to have "rescued it from the freezer" - as in a guy at a petshop left a rat in with this snake and was going to freeze it when he discovered her in this condition. The "rescuer" took the snake home and has rinsed her wounds with betadine, but not taken the snake to the vet for pain meds, ABs, or any other kind of evaluation or treatment. The list of excuses for this is a mile long. She is online asking strangers for treatment advice but completely ignores calls for the animal to be taken to the hospital. :rage:

Is it just me or is this... abhorrent beyond belief? Am i just being emotive? Should this snake just... be allowed to try to heal itself with no treatment or pain meds? I just can't get over that someone would allow an animal to suffer like this. I said in a fit of anger that i'd like to call animal control on this person, and they offered their address so i could do it. I am afraid AC would laugh at me if i did it, and it would be horribly awkward all the while "hi, i was online and someone was being mean to a snake". like... wtf.

Please tell me i'm not crazy :confused::rolleye2:

What, if anything, can i do?? I am so upset...

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I removed the picture because seeing it once was to much. I think if you have the address then you should call animal control for sure. If this moron is so stupid that they will not help this animal then some one must help. She is not saving the snake she is destroying it slowly

i saw this ... I simply cant believe this person thinks the snake dosent need to see the vet!! gosh i took my dog in today, it was an emergency appt, for a tummy ache. I got her a shot for pain, one for the pukies, and fluids .... Why would that person EVER think that poor snake doesn't need or deserve pain meds at the very least!! If that persons arm looked like that snakes back they would be at the ER!! it's horrible just horrible!! UGH!!

I actually read the whole post over there ... I wanted to rip that person a new one but I think you did a better job than I could have ;) I don't see why you shouldn't call animal control! honestly people call CPS because of things they saw on you tube .... this person ADMITS to not taking that poor thing to the vet! Call animal control report the snake and ask for an email addy and screen shot their posts!! At the VERY least AC will require a trip to the vet and will demand proof of the visit.

God that's awful,send that person to jail for animal cruelty!

Honestly, I am at a loss for words. Unbelievable

Oh my, i dont know what to say. I cant believe it. Poor thing

i don't know whats worse how long did the rat chew on this poor thing or someone who is just going to let it fix itself.

Go ahead and call animal control on the hope that you were given the correct address~ but probably the address offered will not be the address where the animal is actually located......who in their right mind would admit to having that animal in thier care, refusing medical care to it, and offer their address to concerned strangers? But call them just to cover all the bases.

It's sad~ but that animal needs to be destroyed. I know there is a "Chance" and all that~ but it's highly unlikely that wound would heal~ even with extensive vet care..............

The kindest thing would be to destroy it~ if whoever has it is reading this~

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Originally Posted by shadi11

i don't know whats worse how long did the rat chew on this poor thing or someone who is just going to let it fix itself.

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would you be able to go pick up the snake and take her to the ER? or at the very least to a clinic tomorrow? The girl seems to have a condition that she not just get euthanized - like she won't give her up unless it's to try and get her fixed up.

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Originally Posted by Cheryl Marchek aka JM

The kindest thing would be to destroy it~ if whoever has it is reading this~

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I agree, Cheryl, but this girl is seriously stubborn. She seems to be willing to work with the idea of someone coming to take the snake to the vet for treatment (but not euthanasia).

It's something, at least. *hopes*

That is beyond words. You cannot 'save' a snake in that condition (spine ligaments, nerves and most of the connective tissue are completely gone). They did not 'rescue' the snake at all. This animal needs to be put down as quickly as possible, I can't even imagine how much suffering this poor thing is having to bear.

If the rescuer is reading this, PLEASE take this animal to the nearest emergency vet. If you cannot afford it, please PM me, but one way or another, you CANNOT let this go on any longer. Please do the right thing.

~Kat

Jeez. Even the tops of the vertebrae have been chewed off in places. I'd love to know who the SOB that left the rat in with it is...........



~Kat

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Originally Posted by janeothejungle

Jeez. Even the tops of the vertebrae have been chewed off in places. I'd love to know who the SOB that left the rat in with it is...........



~Kat

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Ditto. I'd love to make sure that this person was punished to the full extent of the law. Is there a law they could be ripped to shreds with? I mean, Jeez, I can't even look at the picture anymore. I keep crying.

That's absolutely disgusting. I can't believe it hasn't been taken to the vet or put down. That snake has to be in the worst pain possible. The poor thing should be put out of it's misery if I'm seeing correctly. The ribs are.....ate....at least that's what I'm seeing :puke:

There is an entire album with photos of this poor snake
not for the faint of heart!!
http://s472.photobucket.com/albums/r...scue%20snakes/

this really breaks my heart

With a wound that bad, I just don't see how this snake will be able to avoid infection. Even if a strong course of AB's were started ASAP, I think it might be too late. If quality of life means anything to this girl, she should gently set that poor little guy in the freezer.

Pet shops like the one this snake came from give PETA all the ammo they will ever need.

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Originally Posted by OhBalls

There is an entire album with photos of this poor snake
not for the faint of heart!!
http://s472.photobucket.com/albums/r...scue%20snakes/

this really breaks my heart

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Wow, I am glad this person took the time to get good camera angles of the snake instead of acting on the situation at hand. &%@#$:rage:

I wonder about the condition of her other animals and the enclosures they have to live in. She should have let the pet store owner freeze it. She's no better than him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I second that.100%

me too.

OMG this is such:cens0r:, hope the person serves sometime for this but most likely will face no reprocussion because thats the kind of world we live:mad:

I added a comment to one of her photos. I'll probably end up posting it on all of them. Darn it. I can't stop crying. The selfishness of this girl is just...it's more than I can understand. Goddess forbid that ever happened to one of my snakes, I would put them down in a heart beat. That animal won't survive.

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Originally Posted by Melicious

I added a comment to one of her photos. I'll probably end up posting it on all of them. Darn it. I can't stop crying. The selfishness of this girl is just...it's more than I can understand. Goddess forbid that ever happened to one of my snakes, I would put them down in a heart beat. That animal won't survive.

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who is she?

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Originally Posted by MDB

who is she?

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I don't know, but that link takes you to her photobucket account. I have an account so I left multiple comments on her pictures. I'm probably going to post it over and over and over again on her pictures. Maybe. I think if y'all have accounts you should do the same. It's the only thing I can think of.

so is she a member of this forum? How did you come acrossed all of this?

Makes you wonder, If snakes expressed audible emotion (ie whimpered or cried) would this have ever gone this far?



~Kat

I think Im gonna be sick. I cannot even begin to imagine the pain she is in. I wish I could take it all away.

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Originally Posted by janeothejungle

Makes you wonder, If snakes expressed audible emotion (ie whimpered or cried) would this have ever gone this far?



~Kat

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That's...wow. It still would have gone on. I can almost guarantee it. Human beings are the most cruel, ruthless, apathetic creatures out there. Snakes don't toy with their food. They don't trophy it up on their hide box. They eat to survive. People just don't give a crud about them. They're scared. They're disgusted. They think it's gross that snakes have to kill to survive. They don't realize that as humans, we do too. We just have the luxury of buying it prepacked at a grocery store. I'm ranting. I'm sorry. I'll stop. I'm just so...infuriated.

What the hell!!!! :rage::mad: For how extensive those wounds are, that rat had to have been in there for DAYS!! Maybe even a couple weeks! No one looked in on it at ANY time?! That's absurd! Not only does this girl need to be located so the snake could be saved from her "rescuing," but the stupid pet store needs to be shutdown!

Is there any update on this?? Have you been able to get AC over to the address and see if that's really the girl's location?

that's just unbelievably horrible. how can someone think they are helping by keeping this poor creature around for a photo shoot?

That is 100% sad and BEYOND ridiculous. That person would be better off euthanizing it themselves... freezer, shovel... whatever, that snake will not recover from an injury like that and the fact that the person thinks they're "rescuing" that poor snake makes me sick.

Also that rat or whatever did that to the snake had to have been in there for a LONG LONG LONG LONG LONG time, more than a week I'm guessing.

I saw someone here post that this is in Michigan? I wanna know where the snake came from and go pay a visit to the operation they run because from what that picture tells me they have no right to be selling or keeping ANY animals.

That snake would have been better off in the freezer, in my opinion.

One of the many reasons I lose patience with self appointed "rescuers" of animals that should be put down.

"Save" an animal, out of our own selfishness, and then leave it to suffer because we lack the resources to care for it.

What forum is this happening on... I think I am not the only person that would like to know.

bruce

I didn't want to tell everyone because it would initiate a flood of anger and emotion in her direction, and a mix of good and bad communications that might or might not help - but now she's got some dude in there defending her actions and advising her to continue what she's doing - so go for it.

http://constrictors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22330

I don't care what anyone does. Just get this animal to the hospital (or crush its head).

Wow thats just crazy, I cant believe shes so stubborn in thinking she has the means to care for the animal...

Some people think they can save the world... Thats sad, Let us know if you find help for her Morphie

http://constrictors.com/forums/showt...915#post209915 -Sighs.- I can only help.

This has been on my mind all day.

The selfishness and lack of compassion from someone that thinks they are an animal lover... this enrages me.

I think someone should phone the SPCA on her. If she has an animal that is in dire need of veterinary attention and she REFUSES to take it in, then she is making a choice to let this animal suffer.

She took it on, it is her responsibility and it is in her care.

She is negligient and she is contributing to the suffering of an animal in her care.

The animal needs to be removed, and if deemed appropriate charges laid against her.

Bruce

Hi,


I don't see how the animal has any chance of coming back from that kind of damage at all.

Even if it managed to avoid the infections and survive long enough for scar tissue to form what range of motion or sensation could it realistically have?

It would be a rare vet willing to try and help this animal do anything but die pain free as quickly as possible.

Home/ no treatment for any animal with that severe an injury is the absolute opposite of kindness.

I don't doubt the intentions she had were good but the end effect is horrible in the extreme from the animals point of view.

However I can see a rat being able to inflict that kind of damage quite quickly - overnight would be plenty of time for a determined or hungry rat to do that kind of damage.

I hope she comes to her senses quickly or someone calls the authorities - sitting watching it suffer is no answer I could live with and call myself human let alone an animal lover. :tears:


dr del

Hi,

She does keep saying it has no nerve damage - does anyone know what its range of movement is like?


dr del

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,

She does keep saying it has no nerve damage - does anyone know what its range of movement is like?


dr del

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In the conversation she and I were having in chat on that board, she did mention that it can move. Of course, her account of events is questionable as she is not a qualified technician of any kind. I am hoping to have the animal removed soon - if she'll give me her address.

If you guys seriously think there is some chance that the local SPCA would care enough about this situation to intervene, then please help me locate them. I've asked for her address but I'm not sure she's going to give it to me. In the meantime, here are some leads:

The photobucket account was listed as "urt_starion". Googling that name yields "ducxtreme". Googling that yields a bunch of pages put up by a guy calling himself Mr. Pat. This is all relevant because the person who showed up to defend her on the other forum calls himself Mr. Pat - so they're either very familiar or related or room-mates or something.

I found a number and an address posted by Mr. Pat on another forum in 05, but it might be too old or be the address for a garage:

http://xceedspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?p=329616

Funny how they have so much money for fixing up cars and gaming online, but they can't even get some Rx NSAIDs for their "rescue".

:stab::stab::stab:

I used to work at a humane society and our animal control would take welfare calls quite frequently and go out just to check on a situation. If the address posted on the other forum is correct, Wyandotte Animal Control would be the first ones to try (and if they aren't the correct party they should be able to direct you to someone who can be of more assistance). Here is contact info I found on Petfinder

Wyandotte Animal Control
1170 Grove Street
Wyandotte, MI 48192
Phone: 734-324-4445

So, I'm looking at Wyandotte's website and it lists the animal control number as voice mail only. The non-emergency police number is 734-324-4405 some one should answer that and might be able to help you. Best of luck, I wish I were closer... grrrr.....

I know of at least one very good SNAKE vet in lansing.
S. Wayne Beasley
Cedar Creek Vet
2295 N. Williamston Rd
Williamston 48895
517-655-4906

http://www.herpvetconnection.com/

http://www.anapsid.org/vets/#vetlist

http://www.arav.org/usmembers.htm

If I could, I would drive down to get this animal from her, but I do have to work during the day.
Has anyone given her the list of vets?

http://www.anapsid.org/vets/mich.html