Superstripe questions

Hey I was just curious what exactly is used to create a superstripe? Yb and G-strpe?

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=646417

I could be mistaken but I believe it is its own unique genetic morph...

Specter( or spector?) and yb make the ss

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

Specter( or spector?)

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Do you have a link to a pic of a Specter?

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Originally Posted by Mischke

Do you have a link to a pic of a Specter?

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http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=79740

sorry my pics are not great

There are some pictures of my Specter/Whirlwind/Het Super Stripe in this thread. http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=75013

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Originally Posted by nixer

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=79740

sorry my pics are not great

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Like you said not great pictures but it looks right to me.:gj:

So Specter is the het form of a co-dominate mutation, with the super form being a Super Strip?

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Originally Posted by Mischke

So Specter is the het form of a co-dominate mutation, with the super form being a Super Strip?

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Close, but not quite. The specter IS the het form of something, but there hasn't been a super form proven. The Super Stripe is actually a combo of the specter and a yellow belly.

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Originally Posted by m00kfu

Close, but not quite. The specter IS the het form of something, but there hasn't been a super form proven. The Super Stripe is actually a combo of the specter and a yellow belly.

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Quite right. Also discovered this year that the Super Stripe cannot reproduce itself 1 in 4 when bred to a normal -- only Specters and Y.B.

Specter and Y.B. stock has gone up!!! :D

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Originally Posted by Bill Buchman

Quite right. Also discovered this year that the Super Stripe cannot reproduce itself 1 in 4 when bred to a normal -- only Specters and Y.B.

Specter and Y.B. stock has gone up!!! :D

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Interesting - that means that the yb and specter are the same gene or allele. Pretty cool - we have a new gene complex to work with.......

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Originally Posted by Bill Buchman

Quite right. Also discovered this year that the Super Stripe cannot reproduce itself 1 in 4 when bred to a normal -- only Specters and Y.B.

Specter and Y.B. stock has gone up!!! :D

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You would think so, but some people haven't received the memo.

Someone is already pre-selling super stripes for less than half of this years price.

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Originally Posted by Wild Bill

You would think so, but some people haven't received the memo.

Someone is already pre-selling super stripes for less than half of this years price.

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The irony is that I am fairly certain the breeder in question is...the one who discovered/proved this to be the case. :confused::confused::confused:

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Originally Posted by JenH

Interesting - that means that the yb and specter are the same gene or allele. Pretty cool - we have a new gene complex to work with.......

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I was going to say it before you said it was "true"

The specter looks kinda normal, it probably carry a special gene that is dominant but not codominant.

The Super Stripe "stripe" looks like the ivory stripe a lot. So there was a lot of chance that the "specter" gene is just the stripe gene without the YB.

Just another mutant gene one the same allele :).

I think we should start numbering these, otherwise with all the name it's gonna get confuse. Let's put a # for the allele and a letter for the mutant gene. ex : YB = 04A and specter = 04B, lesser = 07A, mojave = 07B, butter = 07A since IMO it's the same gene.

Would be funny to see people asking "what can you get with a 01B male with a 064D female who is het for 23A ?'

:taz::banana::taz:

so what are the signs of a het super stripe? What do we look for?

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Originally Posted by Nagini88

so what are the signs of a het super stripe? What do we look for?

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Someone who is breeding them. They are not so easy to pick out.

its from my understanding that as hatchlings they are almost impossible to pick out at first. looking at mine it kinda looks like a yb but its missing alot of the signs

which is probally why they found it breeding import ybs trying to get ivories

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Originally Posted by nixer

its from my understanding that as hatchlings they are almost impossible to pick out at first. looking at mine it kinda looks like a yb but its missing alot of the signs

which is probally why they found it breeding import ybs trying to get ivories

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Like many morphs, they are variable by line and even by clutch. I have 2 08 girls from a proven line that look very different thus far. The older (350 grams) is very light and getting lighter. The younger 125 gram is light, but does not have near the golden hues/yellow of the older. Their color may even out as they age.

I have a captive hatched female that has the color, head markers, and belly to led me to suspect that she is a Spector -- enough to put my Pastel Ivory on her later this spring (he is only 170 grams) -- needs to GROW some -- April I hope.

My female was bred to Yellow Belly last season and gave me 2 eggs that hatched 2 identical males -- 1 died in the egg. The remaining male has the color, markings, and belly similar to his mom -- and to my proven line Spectors. He is eating well and should be 600 grams by March and I wiil try him with a normal or 2.

We can guess, postulate, hope, KNOW :taz: -- but only breeding will reveal reality to us. As far as marker indicators that are reliable??? I would go with belly and head spot -- color is way too variable!!! Of course you have to know what to look for. ;););)

Spectors have not been posted in detail because people who know they have them don't want people to discover them in there collection. I get that. Although, I think it will be unlikely that many keepers will have them lying around. Although they have been liked to Y.B.''s with regards to alleles and "look" -- I believe they are FAR less common.

This coming year will be the first that there will be a good number of proven Spectors available for those that want to begin S.S. projects.

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Originally Posted by Bill Buchman

Like many morphs, they are variable by line and even by clutch. I have 2 08 girls from a proven line that look very different thus far. The older (350 grams) is very light and getting lighter. The younger 125 gram is light, but does not have near the golden hues/yellow of the older. Their color may even out as they age.

I have a captive hatched female that has the color, head markers, and belly to led me to suspect that she is a Spector -- enough to put my Pastel Ivory on her later this spring (he is only 170 grams) -- needs to GROW some -- April I hope.

My female was bred to Yellow Belly last season and gave me 2 eggs that hatched 2 identical males -- 1 died in the egg. The remaining male has the color, markings, and belly similar to his mom -- and to my proven line Spectors. He is eating well and should be 600 grams by March and I wiil try him with a normal or 2.

We can guess, postulate, hope, KNOW :taz: -- but only breeding will reveal reality to us. As far as marker indicators that are reliable??? I would go with belly and head spot -- color is way too variable!!! Of course you have to know what to look for. ;););)

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So what exactly do you look for in a Specter? What's different about the belly and head that's different from a normal?

about how much are spectors going for now adays?

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Originally Posted by Nagini88

about how much are spectors going for now adays?

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$2500 for a male or female hatchling.:gj:

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Originally Posted by ladybird

So what exactly do you look for in a Specter? What's different about the belly and head that's different from a normal?

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Most are light in color, have very small alien heads within a reduced pattern, have a busy belly, and have a distinct head marking/blushing. They are "grainy" at the belly line.

They are DIFFICULT figure and I would be wiling to bet that a lower % of them prove than maybe any other one possible morph.

They can have all the markers and not be a Spector. :(:(:(