phantoms

has anybody done extensive work with phantoms? And has anything real cool been produced (except the obvious super and lucy.)? I've heard the gene has pastel characteristics?

Which morphs do you guys feel is a neater one to play with: clown or phantom?

i dont think they have been played with much. but tbh. i wreckon if they have, then it will be nerd who has done the playing, and we all know kevin wont tell us anything.

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Originally Posted by fatesink

has anybody done extensive work with phantoms? And has anything real cool been produced (except the obvious super and lucy.)? I've heard the gene has pastel characteristics?

Which morphs do you guys feel is a neater one to play with: clown or phantom?

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I like Clowns but I also like Phantoms I think if I had to choose I'd take a nice Clown over a Phantom any day of the week.

Ralph has plugged that gene into tons of stuff so hes the guy to ask whats been done with it.

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Originally Posted by nelson77321

i dont think they have been played with much. but tbh. i wreckon if they have, then it will be nerd who has done the playing, and we all know kevin wont tell us anything.

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Ralph Davis is the one with the Phantoms. Kevin may have got some from Ralph but I doubt it. The Phantom morph has been very well protected by Ralph and only released this year.

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Originally Posted by nelson77321

i dont think they have been played with much. but tbh. i wreckon if they have, then it will be nerd who has done the playing, and we all know kevin wont tell us anything.

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We do? ;) :cool:

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Originally Posted by rabernet

We do? ;) :cool:

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LOL Kev talks... LOL I've heard him say things like "YEAAAA" and "Where my Guitar"

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Originally Posted by Herpquest

Ralph Davis is the one with the Phantoms. Kevin may have got some from Ralph but I doubt it. The Phantom morph has been very well protected by Ralph and only released this year.

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there was a 07 phantom male for sale on N.E.R.D's web site for $20,000 so kev must have ha them a while to release a male near breeding weight

the only one I know doing extensive work them is Ralph Davis...and they're expensive.

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Originally Posted by Herpquest

Ralph Davis is the one with the Phantoms. Kevin may have got some from Ralph but I doubt it. The Phantom morph has been very well protected by Ralph and only released this year.

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Heard of the Purple Passion? Purple Passion by NERD = Super Phantom by RDR.

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Originally Posted by simon

there was a 07 phantom male for sale on N.E.R.D's web site for $20,000 so kev must have ha them a while to release a male near breeding weight

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Now, is this a Phantom that came from Ralphs line? Or is it a line originating from a wild caught animal that looks like the phantoms? Kind of like the mystics?

I checked them out, and they're gorgeous. Wow.

ralph has not dinked nowhere near as much as what alot of other people would do.

hes done the super phantom
super phantom goblin
phantom goblin
phantom spider (i think)
phantom lesser leucy

same with the blackhead morph, hes on done blackhead, super blackhead and then the black head spider (black widow)

i dont think hes done much else with it

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Originally Posted by Herpquest

Ralph Davis is the one with the Phantoms. Kevin may have got some from Ralph but I doubt it. The Phantom morph has been very well protected by Ralph and only released this year.

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Kevin has has phantomsfor a few years also. his line is also different from ralphs. originating from the wild. ralph has has phantoms available for over a year. i know that for certain.

Ralph and Kevin are working together on some morphs and they purchase new morphs BETWEEN them. They are actually good friends.
Ralph Davis has produced MANY new morphs, he introduced the Platinum; Butter; Dreamsickle, Lavender Albino and a great many more!
Eric Davies

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Originally Posted by herpquest

they are actually good friends.

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hmmmmmmm

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Now, is this a Phantom that came from Ralphs line? Or is it a line originating from a wild caught animal that looks like the phantoms? Kind of like the mystics?

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no idea just seen it on his website its still on just with a sold tag if hes sold it as a phantom hes either proved out a wild caught animal or got some from ralph

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Originally Posted by Herpquest

Ralph and Kevin are working together on some morphs and they purchase new morphs BETWEEN them. They are actually good friends.
Ralph Davis has produced MANY new morphs, he introduced the Platinum; Butter; Dreamsickle, Lavender Albino and a great many more!
Eric Davies

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thought it was mark&kim bell who introduced the butter to ralph

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Originally Posted by simon

thought it was mark&kim bell who introduced the butter to ralph

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No, the first Butter was imported directly from Africa to Ralph at the same time as the ooriginal Platty Daddy'

i think what eric meant was butter daddy,plattydaddy and so on!
don't under estimate ralph he has some cool stuff in the works

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Originally Posted by Herpquest

No, the first Butter was imported directly from Africa to Ralph at the same time as the ooriginal Platty Daddy'

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in the complete ball python book it says first produced by mark and kim bell in 2001 ralph produced his in 2003 think they have differant lines but mark and kim bell deff produced them first

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Originally Posted by chaos

i think what eric meant was butter daddy,plattydaddy and so on!
don't under estimate ralph he has some cool stuff in the works

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not knockig anybody Eric , Ralph , Kevin , Mark and so on they all have inspired me to get more in to royal morphs

No problem Simon, all three have my respect and admiration for what they have achieved.
Eric

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Originally Posted by Herpquest

No problem Simon, all three have my respect and admiration for what they have achieved.
Eric

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i pm'd you i think it was from captive bred i'm after a fire male i'm in the uk Sheffield not to far from you if you have one spare would be a great help

Check your PM's Simon!

Hi,

Just a gentle reminder folks - we don't alow sales discussions outside of the for sale forum and the PM system.:)

Asking about availability in general terms is fine but when it gets down to one vendor and specific animals they take the lock off my cage. RAWR. :taz: **cough** ahem... sorry.


dr del

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Originally Posted by nelson77321

ralph has not dinked nowhere near as much as what alot of other people would do.

hes done the super phantom
super phantom goblin
phantom goblin
phantom spider (i think)
phantom lesser leucy

same with the blackhead morph, hes on done blackhead, super blackhead and then the black head spider (black widow)

i dont think hes done much else with it

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There's no telling. He has all those classified clutches on his birthing record that we have no idea what they are.

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Originally Posted by Herpquest

Ralph Davis is the one with the Phantoms. Kevin may have got some from Ralph but I doubt it. The Phantom morph has been very well protected by Ralph and only released this year.

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NERD had a male phantom for sale last year, so ....

Robin

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Originally Posted by Dr_Gonz0

NERD had a male phantom for sale last year, so ....

Robin

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a well grown on breeder size male. witch means he is obviously working with phantom cross's or supers!

as i said if there is any dinking done it will be kevin who is doing it. who knows maybe he has a phantom coral glow? or a phantom bumblebee, or god knows what else. maybe even a phantom pied (probably a white snake) phantom champagne? lol the possibilities with kevin is never ending.

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Originally Posted by Mike Russell

There's no telling. He has all those classified clutches on his birthing record that we have no idea what they are.

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2 of those are neo breeding normals ;)

weall know ralph likes to brag, if he produced any wicked combo's with the phantom he would be posting pics everywhere

So could I possibly bring this thread back from the dead and ask why Phantoms are so expensive? Aren't they kind of like a mojave? Or are they not producing a lot of them? I dun get it! Lol Someone please enlighten me, for I am interested in Purple Passions and don't want to make another thread to crowd the forum ;)

I would have made another thread rather than resurrect a 4 year old one...

But to answer you, yes there are far less of them available and the Super is awesome. Hence the higher price.

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Originally Posted by jinx667

I would have made another thread rather than resurrect a 4 year old one...

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lol, I was wondering why I was reading a thread from 2008.

I don't see too many Phantoms around here and when I do they have a pretty hefty price tag. In my eyes they are a decent looking snake, but really turn up the heat in their combos. Phantoms will remain higher in price until the market becomes more saturated with them like any other morph we have encountered.

Wouldn't mind adding one to the collection if I were to come across one and the price was 'right'.

Also, they are not really like Mojaves.

My Pastel Phantom looks nothing like a Pastave....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...7/DSC01665.jpg

Ok thanks for clearing that up for me :) and sorry you guys are NOTHING like my old fish forum where you'd get flamed for posting up new threads about a subject discussed before. I just thought I would ask here so I wouldn't get in trouble! :P

In the spirit of thread conservation ...

Is there now a consensus on if phantom and mystic are equivalent?

I know, we still can’t agree on if lesser and butter are the exact same thing or not so unlikely there is a consensus on phantom/mystic either but just wondering if one opinion is more common now.

from what ive seen and haven't seen many in person mostly photos. Phantom/mojave seem to be darker than mystic/mojave idk though there's so many comparison forums out there and they all seem to be almost too similar to be different... I say there the same.. Lessers and butters i have the same opinion on they are just too similar to be considered different. Buy whats cheaper if you want to get into them because in a couple years there just going to be like lessers and butters the same price as they get more popular.

What do you mean by Neo normals?

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In the spirit of thread conservation ...

Is there now a consensus on if phantom and mystic are equivalent?

I know, we still can’t agree on if lesser and butter are the exact same thing or not so unlikely there is a consensus on phantom/mystic either but just wondering if one opinion is more common now.

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That's a good question. I've always thought that they were the same thing but it would be interesting to see what others opinions are. Maybe I'll start a poll.