How would you get a Axanthic Killer Bee

Ok help me out with this. If you started with a spider and pastel you get bee's. You put the bees togeather and get a killer bee. Where do you add the axanthic? How much do axanthic's cost? lol I just LOVE these snakes. Thanks for the help

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Originally Posted by akaangela

Ok help me out with this. If you started with a spider and pastel you get bee's. You put the bees togeather and get a killer bee. Where do you add the axanthic? How much do axanthic's cost? lol I just LOVE these snakes. Thanks for the help

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Axanthics are recessive so you need a spider and pastel(or a bumblee bee) that are het or visual for axanthic and breed them to each other.

The easiest route, and I say that loosely, to make axanthic killer bees would be a pastel het axanthic bred to a bumblebee het axanthic.

I'm hoping to hatch out some bees pos het axanthic and tie them up with my pastel axanthics in a few years to hit on the axanthic killers myself.

An awesome looking combo IMO :)

I'd say the most basic way to do this would be to start off with an axanthic, a pastel, and a spider. One female and two males. Doesn't really matter which is which, but for the sake of this post ill say a female pastel, becauses that's probably the cheapest. Assuming you buy these as hatchlings thats at least two years you've gotta wait for the female to be up to size. So breed your spider male to the pastel female, and with that pairing you'll get on average:

25% Normal
25% Spider
25% Pastel
25% Bumblebee

So then you keep a female bumblebee from that clutch. Raise that up for another two years and breed that to your axanthic male. With that pairing you should get:

25% Het Axanthic
25% Spider Het Axanthic
25% Pastel Het Axanthic
25% Bumblebee Het Axanthic

Now if you incredibly lucky, you'd get 1.1 Bumblebees out of that clutch, which would both be 100% het Axanthic. Raise that female up another 2 years, and breed those 2 bees together, and you'd get this:

1.5625% Normal
3.125% Het Axanthic
1.5625% Axanthic
3.125% Spider
6.25% Spider Het Axanthic
3.125% Axanthic Spider
1.5625% Homozygous Spider
3.125% Homozygous Spider Het Axanthic
1.5625% Axanthic Homozygous Spider
3.125% Pastel
6.25% Pastel Het Axanthic
3.125% Axanthic Pastel
6.25% Bumblebee
12.5% Bumblebee Het Axanthic
6.25% Axanthic Bumblebee
3.125% Pastel Homozygous Spider
6.25% Pastel Homozygous Spider Het Axanthic
3.125% Axanthic Pastel Homozygous Spider
1.5625% Super Pastel
3.125% Super Pastel Het Axanthic
1.5625% Axanthic Super Pastel
3.125% Killerbee
6.25% Killerbee Het Axanthic,
3.125% AXANTHIC KILLERBEE
1.5625% Super Pastel Homozygous Spider
3.125% Super Pastel Homozygous Spider Het Axanthic
1.5625% Axanthic Super Pastel Homozygous Spider

Sooo, 6 years, and each egg would only have about a 3.125% chance of becoming an Axanthic Killerbee.

Good luck.

OOOOOR, just buy 1.1 Axanthic Killerbees, and breed 'em together:

25% Axanthic Super Pastel
50% Axanthic Killerbee
25% Axanthic Super Pastel Homozygous Spider

:D

This will be a long process, with low odds each breeding season, if you start from scratch with base morphs.

To hit the recessive+super co-dom + dom morph combo in a single snake.. Your best bet is to fork out the cash for some nice snakes.

1.1 killerbee axanthic is obviously the best way to make more killerbee axanthics.

If you find snakes that are close to the killerbee axanthic combo, they'd be nice to have for this project. A super pastel axanthic, or even a pastel axanthic would be great to have, for example. If you were able to find a super pastel axanthic and killerbee het axanthic(just off the top of my head, combo morphs that are close to what you are looking for) you would already have a pair that have a possibility of producing killer bee axanthics.

Thanks all. I looked through ALL the pages of KingSnake and could not find a price for a male axanthic. How much would one run? I have the male spider, female pastel (I also have a male pastel. I planned on breeding the spider to the female pastel (hopefully) next year, if she is up to weight. I was hoping to be able to trade a pastel and some money or a superpastel for a male axanthic (who knows how much the price will be then.
:D thanks for everything

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Originally Posted by akaangela

Ok help me out with this. If you started with a spider and pastel you get bee's. You put the bees togeather and get a killer bee. Where do you add the axanthic? How much do axanthic's cost? lol I just LOVE these snakes. Thanks for the help

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8ball pythons has 2008 VPI Axanthic ... Males: $600.00, Females: $1,000.00 2008 Pastel ... Male: $100.00 and 2008 Spiders ... Males: $250.00, Females: $350.00 of course plus shipping. There would get you your start to get some good animals started.

Something to remember is that you don't need to breed bee X bee to get a killer bee. You only need one of the parents to contain the spider gene but both must contain the pastel gene.

The odds of hitting on the spider do go up from 50% to 75% but with the wobbles in spiders I would advise against breeding spider to spider unless you were prove out homozygous spider (which hasn't been proven right?).

That being said a super pastel het axanthic X a bee het axanthic would be a much better pairing instead of a pastel het axanthic x a bee het axanthic or bee x bee.

Hope that helps :)

Pastel Axanthics aren't 1/2 bad in their own right :)

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/p...x_100308-2.jpg

I agree with JPman on not having to use a bee x bee but what I do not get is why everyone keeps saying you have to use hets for axanthic in the last step. Personally I think the "easiest" way would be to breed an axanthic bee x super pastel axanthic. No odds to fight against there. Even a axanthic bee x pastel axanthic would be a better bet than breeding hets for axanthic and praying to the odds gods.

Easiest in terms of genetics and attainability was what I meant.....not in terms of "odds".

Most people making killerbee axanthics are going to do so het to het or maybe pastel axanthic to bee het axanthic....if anything simply because due to the sequencing of production people will have a possibility to produce killerbee axanthics sooner if they breed a het pairing instead of waiting until they have homozygous axanthic on both sides. :)

But I agree....if you just wanted to make them in sheer numbers with the best odds the best way would be something like a super pastel axanthic X a bee axanthic (or even a killer bee axanthic)

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Originally Posted by asplundii

I agree with JPman on not having to use a bee x bee but what I do not get is why everyone keeps saying you have to use hets for axanthic in the last step. Personally I think the "easiest" way would be to breed an axanthic bee x super pastel axanthic. No odds to fight against there. Even a axanthic bee x pastel axanthic would be a better bet than breeding hets for axanthic and praying to the odds gods.

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I am not looking to produce them in huge quanities, more to the point, I want to produce that ONE perfect one lol (doesn't everyone?) I saw a picture of an axanthic killer bee and fell in love. The more I see of the axanthic's the more I like them. I LOVE the photo JB constructions put up. OMG it was SO beautiful. I have a very limited amount of space so I have to keep my collection small. I don't want much just one axanthic killer bee, one high contrast albino, one perfect pastel and one perfect spider (lol that is not asking too much is it :D )

Since you've got the makings for a bee already I'd say picking up an axanthic female would be your most affordable and rational option of getting to an axanthic killerbee.

Then you can breed one of your homemade bees to your axanthic female when she becomes breedable and get some spiders, bees, and pastels het axanthic.

Then you breed a pastel het axanthic to a bee het axanthic until you hit on the odds :)

As with any big project it all depends on how many snakes you want to take care of to get there and how much you want to spend to "speed" things up in terms of when you produce it :)

Hope that helps. Good luck in your quest!

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