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Albino Wobble?

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  • 11-13-2008, 05:12 AM
    Tikall
    Albino Wobble?
    I've noticed the last few times I've fed my albino bp, she sort of does a slight shake just before striking... She never misses her target, but I do see a shake. I ignored it the first time, but she's done it the last few times (maybe she did it before and I didn't notice, I don't know for sure??).

    I thought maybe this was normal striking behavior, so I looked on youtube for a bunch of feeding videos to see how other BPs move. The normals, mojaves, pastels, etc seemed to be pretty steady, which got me worried. Then I searched just for albinos, and in the two clear videos I found, the snakes had the same sort of shake!? I thought wobbling was mostly a spider thing, and seeing it in two albinos just on youtube, while not impossible because I know other morphs have rarely been seen with the wobble (even normals), would be unlikely. Perhaps I was just missing it in the other videos?

    Here is an example of what I mean.
    YouTube - Female Albino Ball Python eating

    Especially around 45-58 seconds into the video. Is that a wobble or typical pre-striking posture? I don't feed live, but my bp does the same sort of moves to the f/t rats.
  • 11-13-2008, 06:45 AM
    m00kfu
    Re: Albino Wobble?
    I didn't really see much of a wobble in the video. What I DID see however, is something that a few of my balls, one of my boas, and one of my black bloods all do... and that is getting really excited about a meal. ;) What you're probably mistaking for a wobble is just heavy breathing. :gj:
  • 11-13-2008, 09:34 AM
    Lucas339
    Re: Albino Wobble?
    if your talking about that rocking back and forth then thats nothing to worry about. all my snakes do it....except my hog. you should see my chondro do it!
  • 11-13-2008, 11:03 AM
    Tikall
    Re: Albino Wobble?
    Phew thanks guys! Yeah I was talking about the neck/head moving side to side a little. I've never seen a real feeding wobble from a spider, but I heard they could be slight. Got me scared :O! I worry about every little thing the girl does lol... Thank goodness it's normal!
  • 11-13-2008, 11:33 AM
    Hapa_Haole
    Re: Albino Wobble?
    On a side note, do you know the person who posted that video? It looks like the prey size could be bumped up a bit. That mouse is definitely not as big as the widest part of the snake.
  • 11-13-2008, 11:44 AM
    snakecharmer3638
    Re: Albino Wobble?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hapa_Haole View Post
    On a side note, do you know the person who posted that video? It looks like the prey size could be bumped up a bit. That mouse is definitely not as big as the widest part of the snake.

    Think thats bad? Check this one out.


    YouTube - Ball Python vs Pinky



    :confused::weirdface:confused::weirdface:confused::weirdface
  • 11-13-2008, 12:22 PM
    RoyalGuardian
    Re: Albino Wobble?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by m00kfu View Post
    I didn't really see much of a wobble in the video. What I DID see however, is something that a few of my balls, one of my boas, and one of my black bloods all do... and that is getting really excited about a meal. ;) What you're probably mistaking for a wobble is just heavy breathing. :gj:

    I concur that it is just post feed excitement! I really didn't see a "wobble" of any kind.
  • 11-13-2008, 02:40 PM
    Tikall
    Re: Albino Wobble?
    I don't know that person, but a LOT of the videos are of prey that is either far too large, or too small :(. They're usually told what appropriate sized prey is in the comments.
  • 11-13-2008, 02:59 PM
    Patrick Long
    Re: Albino Wobble?
    All I see is the camera wobbling LOL
  • 11-13-2008, 03:12 PM
    ohyeahnow
    Re: Albino Wobble?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tikall View Post
    I don't know that person, but a LOT of the videos are of prey that is either far too large, or too small :(. They're usually told what appropriate sized prey is in the comments.

    LOL, agree. I never worry if my prey is too small, because I can always feed double to get the right amount of food, or feed again sooner. Too large can lead to problems for sure. 20+ years ago as a teenager I feed a black snake too large of a prey. Only led to regurgitation. Luckily I was in a herp society and knew the local biology teacher at the college who was big on herps, I always had educated advice.. I was quickly educated on too big being a no no.

    Was nice to be able to go to that Professor's office and learn as such a young kid. Was also nice to have a good home for my two retics after a few years. Don't think my mom realized how big they got. I quickly realized how much a bite from a big snake hurts.:O
  • 11-13-2008, 03:27 PM
    Tikall
    Re: Albino Wobble?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ohyeahnow View Post
    LOL, agree. I never worry if my prey is too small, because I can always feed double to get the right amount of food, or feed again sooner. Too large can lead to problems for sure. 20+ years ago as a teenager I feed a black snake too large of a prey. Only led to regurgitation. Luckily I was in a herp society and knew the local biology teacher at the college who was big on herps, I always had educated advice.. I was quickly educated on too big being a no no.

    Was nice to be able to go to that Professor's office and learn as such a young kid. Was also nice to have a good home for my two retics after a few years. Don't think my mom realized how big they got. I quickly realized how much a bite from a big snake hurts.:O

    Wow two retics as a teenager! I'm glad they found homes :D.

    On youtube, as far as large prey, someone actually said "snakes can swallow things 18 times their width" to justify them feeding a young snake either a rabbit or big rat (can't remember exactly. I watched too many videos). Gah!!
  • 11-14-2008, 12:46 AM
    gtlevine
    Re: Albino Wobble?
    You guys are acting like this wobble is a major problem, but I was told it is no big deal in another thread. Is the wobble a problem or not? Is it brain damage from inbreeding?

    Gary
  • 11-14-2008, 01:07 AM
    ohyeahnow
    Re: Albino Wobble?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tikall View Post
    Wow two retics as a teenager! I'm glad they found homes :D.

    On youtube, as far as large prey, someone actually said "snakes can swallow things 18 times their width" to justify them feeding a young snake either a rabbit or big rat (can't remember exactly. I watched too many videos). Gah!!

    The guy in the herp society that got them for me told us if they got to be too much trouble he would take them in. One arrived with mouth rot, something I hope I never see or have to treat again. I had to assist feed one for almost a year. After two years their size and temperament were to much for me.

    I was lucky to know him and the Biologist at the college my Father taught at. I always had reliable input and help and the lady down the street bred mice and rats. Snakes, mountains and dirt bikes; sure do miss those times.

    Both were WC and cost $35 each. He had worked at a zoo before moving to VA. He had two rooms of his house dedicated to snakes. :sigh2:I am sure he knew they would eventually be his. :sigh2:
  • 11-14-2008, 02:08 AM
    Tikall
    Re: Albino Wobble?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gtlevine View Post
    You guys are acting like this wobble is a major problem, but I was told it is no big deal in another thread. Is the wobble a problem or not? Is it brain damage from inbreeding?

    Gary

    It comes down to opinion as to if it's a problem or not. Some people don't care as long as the snakes can eat, grow, and breed, and others view it as a serious enough defect to direct them away. It's thought to be linked to the spider gene, and it is unlikely to be from inbreeding since the spider gene is very out crossed by now. It isn't even known if it's brain damage or from something else.

    Many people breed spiders with the intention of making the wobble less noticeable. Now if it is something that is not desirable, and you see it in a morph that rarely has it, then it wouldn't be smart to breed that snake, imo. It just isn't necessary and there is no reason to risk spreading it in the case it is genetic in morphs other than spiders.
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