Need help to identify my new ball python

I would like to appreciate if any member of this forum willing to share/discuss their knowledge to identify my new ball python in term of pattern morph and color morph . According to the seller this snake is a Captive hatch.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x12/luvpet/BP01.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x12/luvpet/BP02.jpg

that looks like a Mojave or a Black Pastel

Looks like a cool looking normal thats in shed. I like the full stripe and the lack of alien heads but it looks to be a cool normal and not a morph.

I agree with Freakie frog. I've seen lots of normals like that. Test it and see. You never know what might be hiding in the genes.

I have a couple normal CH girls like that. I am using them for dinker projects to see if anything interesting pops out.

That's what some would concider a "dinker" project. You can run across a lot of cool looking CH animals. All are concidered normal until bred out and proved otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Looks like a cool looking normal thats in shed. I like the full stripe and the lack of alien heads but it looks to be a cool normal and not a morph.

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Is my snake can be include as :

Granite Stripe :
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x...ipe_pic4_b.jpg
Source : http://www.ballpython.ca/collection/...e_stripe.html#

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Cinnamon Stripe :
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x...ny_pic_2_b.jpg
http://www.ballpython.ca/collection/...mon_strip.html

Which one of the above closest to mine?

I could be wrong but that looks like Cinnamon Stripe to me. Very nice! No way that's a normal.

awesome dinker for sure!

I love the full stripe.


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I would most def like to see some post shed pics!

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Originally Posted by MeMe

awesome dinker for sure!

I love the full stripe.


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I would most def like to see some post shed pics!

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Will do as soon as the shedding process finished

I think some of you are contributing shed colors to morph colors. Not everything with a cool pattern is a set 'morph'.

Looks like a cool captive hatched normal. Breed it and see if it proves out to be something, before that it's just an interesting normal.

Well it's definitely an interesting looking snake :gj:. I think the only way you could show for sure that it is a morph or not is to try and prove it out breeding wise :D. Is it a male or a female? I too would love to see some post shed pictures.

Looks more like a Granite Stripe after seeing that pic. I stick by my first assesment, no way thats a normal. And if it is you are a lucky man because that's a great looking snake.

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Originally Posted by anendeloflorien

Well it's definitely an interesting looking snake :gj:. I think the only way you could show for sure that it is a morph or not is to try and prove it out breeding wise :D. Is it a male or a female? I too would love to see some post shed pictures.

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It is a Male.

I am sorry to put the term "Morph" in my question, my question should :

"I would like to appreciate if any member of this forum willing to share/discuss their knowledge to identify my new ball python in term of patternwise and colorwise".

It's a normal. A normal with a nice body stripe. You see a bunch of CH babies for sale in the classifieds every summer that look like him. He's very pretty though.

it's a UFO! (unidentified fabulous ophidian)

:snake::snake::snake:

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Originally Posted by luvpet

Is my snake can be include as :

Granite Stripe :
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x...ipe_pic4_b.jpg
Source : http://www.ballpython.ca/collection/...e_stripe.html#

Or
Cinnamon Stripe :
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x...ny_pic_2_b.jpg
http://www.ballpython.ca/collection/...mon_strip.html

Which one of the above closest to mine?

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that's what I thought.. my original thought was a cini stripe mojave .. All and all it is hecka cool!! Gratz!

I have been wanting a CH that looks like this, I really love the stripe and the funky alien heads. Its not a proven morph, but I cant really say its for sure a normal.... I have seen some like that on Kingsnake for sale for $800 or more....nice snake hope it proves out for you

The first snake looks similar to the SK Toffee Ball, that did NOT prove genetic...however, I would definately breed him to a nice Pastel, and see what happens. Take him to a normal too.

I like the look, and wish you luck.

Dave

Do you have a belly shot?

Looks like a dinker project waiting to happen. I think it's most likely a fantastic looking normal. He's nice a fat (looks part blood)LOL

Good luck with him and let us know how his babies turn out.

Here is a somewhat similar looking female I picked up in a pet store along with one of the daughters that proved her genetic.

http://homevtour.home.comcast.net/~h...ughter_ssm.jpg

Of course the hope with anything like this is that it will be co-dominant with an even more stunning super and/or will make neat combos.

Randy, I remember seeing them at the Denver show a few months back... very cool!

Thanks. I just wish I had a son like her to breed back. I see a fair number of ch like the original poster's that look interesting and tried to get one but didn't work it out in time. Now I'm thinking I'm just going to throw a pastel, spider, and mojave at her this year and see what comes out. She's been eating some pretty big retired breeder rats but still isn't really back to fat yet after 14 eggs last year.

I also agree that's not just any old normal. I'm thinking along the lines of at least a genetic strip and it almost looks like a cinny to me :confused: Great pick up :gj: Can't wait to see what you do with her!

wow I am stumped but I see most of the more experienced are saying thats a normal... Thats what they said about my female normal but I think she is a morph all on her own just like yours! beautiful snake what ever the morph!

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

Thanks. I just wish I had a son like her to breed back. I see a fair number of ch like the original poster's that look interesting and tried to get one but didn't work it out in time. Now I'm thinking I'm just going to throw a pastel, spider, and mojave at her this year and see what comes out. She's been eating some pretty big retired breeder rats but still isn't really back to fat yet after 14 eggs last year.

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14 eggs, holy smokes!

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

Thanks. I just wish I had a son like her to breed back. I see a fair number of ch like the original poster's that look interesting and tried to get one but didn't work it out in time. Now I'm thinking I'm just going to throw a pastel, spider, and mojave at her this year and see what comes out. She's been eating some pretty big retired breeder rats but still isn't really back to fat yet after 14 eggs last year.

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that girl is seriously the biggest ball python I have ever seen, good luck gettting her huge and in a hurry.

I think a few people are confused... the OP posted the granite stripe and the cinnie stripe as EXAMPLES, not as further pics of the same snake.

To the OP, Cinnie and granites are specific morphs, and your snake isn't either of them. Sorry, but it isn't.

Captive Hatched (CH) just means it was hatched in captivity.

And where someone got that it was Mohave? Not sure about that one, but it isn't a Mojo. :)

Gorgeous snake though. Very nice. Best way to find out if there is something genetic there is to breed him, hold back the daughters, and then breed them back to him at some point.

He is a looker and congrats, you have a VERY sharp looking snake. :)

Bruce

After shed pictures :

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x12/luvpet/AS04.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x12/luvpet/AS08.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x12/luvpet/AS09.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x12/luvpet/AS06.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x12/luvpet/AS07.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x12/luvpet/AS03.jpg

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

Good luck with him and let us know how his babies turn out.

Here is a somewhat similar looking female I picked up in a pet store along with one of the daughters that proved her genetic.

http://homevtour.home.comcast.net/~h...ughter_ssm.jpg

Of course the hope with anything like this is that it will be co-dominant with an even more stunning super and/or will make neat combos.

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Dude I want the baby. Its freaking gorgeous. I wanna be on the waiting list for one of those when you get some. Dead serious about that too.

no way can that be a normal! that snake is hot!

errr wait yes.. yes it is! so... give it to me :D

Wow, that is one beautiful snake! No freakin way that is not genetic lol. IDK if you posted it earlier but how big is he/she? I'd get him breeding as soon as you can to see if that proves out!

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Originally Posted by luvpet

After shed pictures :

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x12/luvpet/AS04.jpg

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Wow, I rescind my opinion that it's a normal. lol Makes a HUGE difference to see them post-shed. I don't know for sure what it is, but it's definitely not normal. It MIGHT be a cinnamon. I'm going to go with 'it looks like a cinnamon with a full stripe'. Spectacular animal, whatever it turns out to be.

Wow, she is stunning!! I think she look like a cinni with a full stripe.. And is not the maybe something new.. ONly one way to find out- breed her out and give me some babies!! lol. But seriously, she beautiful and good luck with her!

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Originally Posted by luvpet

After shed pictures :

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x12/luvpet/AS04.jpg

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WOW! :O The difference is absolutely amazing! You've got yourself one absolutely stunning snake. I'm still sticking with my guts, genetic stripe cinny! Prove her out for me :P

Very nice Luvpet and good that it's a male. How many females are you going to try with him this winter? Hopefully he proves and I can eventually get one of the sons for my girls as I see some similarities. Not having a male yet is slowing me down figuring out what mine might be like or having enough production to sell anything in the foreseeable future.

Juz bought another "questionable" wild type in left of the following photo (please ignore the albino in right lol)
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x12/luvpet/BP03.jpg
Male 1100 Grams
Any comments?

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

Very nice Luvpet and good that it's a male. How many females are you going to try with him this winter? Hopefully he proves and I can eventually get one of the sons for my girls as I see some similarities. Not having a male yet is slowing me down figuring out what mine might be like or having enough production to sell anything in the foreseeable future.

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I will try breed with only one female coz I can't afford too many females :D but I have to decide which kind of female to breed to. Any advise ?

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Originally Posted by luvpet

I will try breed with only one female coz I can't afford too many females :D but I have to decide which kind of female to breed to. Any advise ?

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I'd say try with a cinnamon and maybe a normal just to see whether or not you're looking at a cinny and if not whether it's genetic recessive or co-dom/dom.

Your new male there looks promising as well. I remember seeing a few like that previously but I don't believe that they were ever proven, it was thought that it was more of an anomaly due to incubation temps etc....

Some people call them IMG, (increased melanin gene). So far none have proven genetic to the best of my knowledge. They seem to hatch less dark and take on the darker appearance as they age.
-Steven

those are some nice dinkers, where are you getting these beauties from?

That is an amazing snake.. I don't think it's normal but.. I'm no expert anyway..

Aren't you from Indonesia? I often see your nick on local forum. Please update us if you decided to breed him.

Can't wait to see the result. Who knows there can be a new morph of BP from Indonesia :D*wishful thinking*:D

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Originally Posted by Nagini88

those are some nice dinkers, where are you getting these beauties from?

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The stripe I bought from a friend, it was imported from USA and the other one I bought from Malaysia

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Originally Posted by nod

That is an amazing snake.. I don't think it's normal but.. I'm no expert anyway..

Aren't you from Indonesia? I often see your nick on local forum. Please update us if you decided to breed him.

Can't wait to see the result. Who knows there can be a new morph of BP from Indonesia :D*wishful thinking*:D

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Yes, I am from Indonesia.

I breed him with a normal as per following photos :
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x12/luvpet/BP05.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x12/luvpet/BP07.jpg

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Originally Posted by luvpet

Yes, I am from Indonesia.

I breed him with a normal as per following photos :
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x12/luvpet/BP05.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x12/luvpet/BP07.jpg

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Wow, that is a beautiful girl and two amazing dinker projects.

Good luck at proving them out!

If that stripe were to prove genetic, I can think of some amazing possiblities.

great looking snakes you got there

dude it's a freaking chocolate ball python brian from bhb has some similar ones and whom ever said it's a normal is dead wrong

This is one of the reasons why I think the experts should get together and form a Ball Python (or any snake for that matter) Morph Consortium or something similar to the AKC for dogs. I can see myself getting easily fooled by some breeder selling a very pretty normal with some unique patterns as a high-priced morph. More important with the hets. So, if there's an official certification process, then hobbyists can have some form of guidelines. I paid lots of money for my AKC certified bichon frise even if I had no intentions of breeding the dog just so I can have the best chance at getting general bichon frise personality traits (double-coating to reduce shed, playfullness, high tolerance for kids and other pets, etc.). For ball pythons where most hobbyist build their collection through breeding, the certification becomes more important, I think.

Just my opinion, of course.