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  • 10-21-2008, 03:36 PM
    chinchillachic18
    what color is this?
  • 10-21-2008, 03:38 PM
    Wh00h0069
    Re: what color is this?
    Hi, that is a paradox albino (albino with black scales showing through.)
  • 10-21-2008, 03:44 PM
    Beardedragon
    Re: what color is this?
    I'll also add to the above that paradoxes are super random and they are not genetic
  • 10-21-2008, 03:52 PM
    chinchillachic18
    Re: what color is this?
    How much do they usually go for? I cant seem to find anyone who is currently selling them :/
  • 10-21-2008, 03:54 PM
    JenH
    Re: what color is this?
    Very few people sell their paradox pythons. But I did see a few at Tinley for sale.
  • 10-21-2008, 03:55 PM
    Freakie_frog
    Re: what color is this?
    The Paradox Albinos are hard to come by but I think Tim Bailey had a paradox Axanthic. You might get with him on that.
  • 10-21-2008, 04:07 PM
    Wh00h0069
    Re: what color is this?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by chinchillachic18 View Post
    How much do they usually go for? I cant seem to find anyone who is currently selling them :/

    It is rare that people have them, but I believe the last one I saw was around $5000.
  • 10-21-2008, 07:10 PM
    scotty99
    Re: what color is this?
    Have a look at the photo of a paradox in "The complete ball python" book, I want one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    (I wouldn't
    sell a kidney for one though... lolz)
  • 10-21-2008, 07:19 PM
    Beardedragon
    Re: what color is this?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by scotty99 View Post
    Have a look at the photo of a paradox in "The complete ball python" book, I want one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    (I wouldn't
    sell a kidney for one though... lolz)

    Are we talking just albinos here? I have two paradox snakes, one being an extream and one being a small section and I did not pay anything more for them*.
  • 10-21-2008, 08:13 PM
    JAMills
    Re: what color is this?
    Something interesting for you all. This snake belongs to my buddy Tom it is a 100% Het albino that is a Paradox. I went over there and did some pictures for him including these. THIS SNAKE IS SMOKIN' IN PERSON!

    http://jamillsreptiles.com/paradox-het-albino001.jpg
    http://jamillsreptiles.com/paradox-het-albino002.jpg
  • 10-21-2008, 08:20 PM
    icygirl
    Re: what color is this?
    Wow, that snake is amazing Josh! Do most paradoxes have that much white? Or is it because he is het albino?
  • 10-21-2008, 08:26 PM
    JAMills
    Re: what color is this?
    Like I said it is not mine, but I did find it amazing. I had never seen, I guess you would call it a Reverse Paradox. I have seen several paradox of many different morphs but this was the 1st I have seen of a Het showing through what it is het for.
    As for the amount of white. Paradox is completely Random so You can have a snake that is very little Paradox all the way up to a snake that is extremely paradox. But it is random. One day I will get lucky and hatch a paradox something and then I will buy a Lotto Ticket!!!
  • 10-21-2008, 08:49 PM
    chinchillachic18
    Re: what color is this?
    what combo is this snake? Like which colors created it? or randomly created it lol
  • 10-21-2008, 09:01 PM
    icygirl
    Re: what color is this?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by chinchillachic18 View Post
    what combo is this snake? Like which colors created it? or randomly created it lol

    The snake that JAMills posted is het for albino, that means it carries 1 copy of the albino gene (if it had 2 it would be a visual albino). The crazy black/white splotching is due to the paradox mutation, which is random like he said, and cannot be predicted by looking at the parents.
  • 10-21-2008, 09:04 PM
    nevohraalnavnoj
    Re: what color is this?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by icygirl View Post
    The snake that JAMills posted is het for albino, that means it carries 1 copy of the albino gene (if it had 2 it would be a visual albino). The crazy black/white splotching is due to the paradox mutation, which is random like he said, and cannot be predicted by looking at the parents.

    Actually, I believe that pic is an albino (homozygous) that just happened to be paradox. It's not even known if paradox is a "gene" or else it would be inheritable. Likely, it's a random mutation or crossover, etc...

    JonV
  • 10-21-2008, 09:19 PM
    PythonWallace
    Re: what color is this?
    Here's a blue-eyed leucistic paradox I hatched out.

    http://a587.ac-images.myspacecdn.com...d4d9b56fd2.jpg

    http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/i...e73a9b83ea.jpg
    2nd photo by Chun Ku
  • 10-21-2008, 09:31 PM
    JAMills
    Re: what color is this?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by nevohraalnavnoj View Post
    Actually, I believe that pic is an albino (homozygous) that just happened to be paradox. It's not even known if paradox is a "gene" or else it would be inheritable. Likely, it's a random mutation or crossover, etc...

    JonV

    That snake is not Homozygous it is Het. The parents were a Het and a Normal and no albinos have been produced from the pairings of the parents so It is pretty certain that the normal parent is not secretly a het also.
  • 10-21-2008, 09:45 PM
    nevohraalnavnoj
    Re: what color is this?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JAMills View Post
    That snake is not Homozygous it is Het. The parents were a Het and a Normal and no albinos have been produced from the pairings of the parents so It is pretty certain that the normal parent is not secretly a het also.

    Oh, sorry Josh I was referring to the initial one that "chinchillachic" posted, not the later one that you were referring to. My mistake.

    JonV
  • 10-21-2008, 09:46 PM
    JAMills
    Re: what color is this?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JAMills View Post
    That snake is not Homozygous it is Het. The parents were a Het and a Normal and no albinos have been produced from the pairings of the parents so It is pretty certain that the normal parent is not secretly a het also.

    Correction I just talked to Tom. Parents were Albino bred to normal 4 different breedings no albinos. So yes the animal is pretty much certain only a Het albino that is Paradox!
  • 10-21-2008, 10:22 PM
    stangs13
    Re: what color is this?
    Actualy I heard from vpi that paradoxes are just hets and not actually homo for thegene. This does not apply to all of them though.
  • 10-21-2008, 10:36 PM
    icygirl
    Re: what color is this?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PythonWallace View Post
    Here's a blue-eyed leucistic paradox I hatched out.

    Wow... :O Stunning! Congratulations, that must really be like hitting the lotto :D

    So was this occurrence of the paradox phenotype random, or were there paradox siblings in the clutch as well? Are most paradoxes just one to a clutch or multiple?
  • 10-21-2008, 10:41 PM
    PythonWallace
    Re: what color is this?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by icygirl View Post
    Wow... :O Stunning! Congratulations, that must really be like hitting the lotto :D

    So was this occurrence of the paradox phenotype random, or were there paradox siblings in the clutch as well? Are most paradoxes just one to a clutch or multiple?

    I've never heard of multiple paradox' hatching out in the same clutch. So far they are appearing randomly and unexpectedly, but I know that the Sutherlands have hatched out a few mojave/hypo paradox', so there may be some unknown genetics at play, at least with some of them.
  • 10-22-2008, 01:12 PM
    chinchillachic18
    Re: what color is this?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PythonWallace View Post
    Here's a blue-eyed leucistic paradox I hatched out.

    http://a587.ac-images.myspacecdn.com...d4d9b56fd2.jpg

    http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/i...e73a9b83ea.jpg
    2nd photo by Chun Ku


    That is possibly one of the most amazing snakes ive ever seen :O wooooooww
  • 10-22-2008, 01:14 PM
    N4S
    Re: what color is this?
    I always thought Paradox balls are the most unattractive.
  • 10-22-2008, 08:02 PM
    Morphie
    Re: what color is this?
    here's a random hypothesis (please try to prove me wrong!)

    "All paradox balls are MALE"
  • 10-22-2008, 08:51 PM
    aaramire
    Re: what color is this?
    I think Matt aka Beardedragon has a female paradox bee if I am not mistaken....so I think that proves the hypothesis about all paradoxes being male wrong...
  • 10-22-2008, 09:00 PM
    Morphie
    Re: what color is this?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by aaramire View Post
    I think Matt aka Beardedragon has a female paradox bee if I am not mistaken....so I think that proves the hypothesis about all paradoxes being male wrong...

    what is a paradox bee?

    let's narrow it down to albino paradoxes for now, but i still wanna know what a paradox bee is.
  • 10-22-2008, 09:04 PM
    Beardedragon
    Re: what color is this?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by aaramire View Post
    I think Matt aka Beardedragon has a female paradox bee if I am not mistaken....so I think that proves the hypothesis about all paradoxes being male wrong...

    Yup, heres my FEMALE paradox bee:)


    http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/q...s/DSC01136.jpg

    http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/q...C00496copy.jpg
    http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/q...s/DSC00492.jpg


    See the dot? Its weird, might be a paradox because its in such a weird location and the way its shaped and looks. Who knows, Its his only dot and its not spider like.
    http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/q...s/DSC00752.jpg
  • 10-22-2008, 10:24 PM
    kellysballs
    Re: what color is this?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by stangs13 View Post
    Actualy I heard from vpi that paradoxes are just hets and not actually homo for thegene. This does not apply to all of them though.

    I also have heard and or read this somewhere.
  • 10-23-2008, 12:27 AM
    chinchillachic18
    Re: what color is this?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Beardedragon View Post
    Yup, heres my FEMALE paradox bee:)


    http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/q...s/DSC01136.jpg

    http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/q...C00496copy.jpg
    http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/q...s/DSC00492.jpg


    See the dot? Its weird, might be a paradox because its in such a weird location and the way its shaped and looks. Who knows, Its his only dot and its not spider like.
    http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/q...s/DSC00752.jpg



    Sooo pretttyyyy >.<
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