iran jaya or carpet

Hey guys. I haven't post here in a long time...
I bot a carpet python and she was sold to me as a jungle, all her siblings were just typical jungle banded pattern but this one had some blushing. I saw on of the full grown sib from the same parents and it was typical jungle carpet. Ok the question is she a jungle a iran jaya or a mix of the two?
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6871/1002407ek4.jpg
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/2415/1002423jx4.jpg
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/4271/1002419ec1.jpg
Thnx for looking

Looks like a nice Jungle to me....:gj:

thnx...

doesn't look anything like an IJ to me... looks like a jungle or maybe a jungle x coastal cross. it'd be impossible to say at that age and with such small pics, but there are some markers to look for in all subspecies.

I agree with colin, If anything I think I see a little coastal mix.

small pics hard to tell for sure but give it a year and see the color development... but "looks" jungle to me

heres some new bigger pics
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/8003/1002439ch6.jpg
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/2356/1002433du4.jpg
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/9813/1002438bq9.jpg
Thnx for the coments

looks nice whatever it may be... i'd go with jungle unless you have reason to doubt the source. hopefully some nice yellows come in throughout the next few months/years.

I don't really doubt the source... but because there allot of people that have been saying that is not a jungle that I wanted to know what other people thought about her. Thnx to Every one taht have give his/her opinion. Every comment is welcome! :D

Looks like a possible jungle x coastal as stated already. Here is my normal jungle.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a11...k76/carpet.jpg

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Originally Posted by basuca

a lot of people that have been saying that is not a jungle that I wanted to know what other people thought about her.

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a lot of people don't realize that jungle start out brown as hatchlings either!

Problem solved! I contact the guys were I porches her from and they told me that does animals are bred by Jim Thompson and that they guaranty that they are pure jungles. :D

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Originally Posted by Nightmare Creatures

Looks like a possible jungle x coastal as stated already. Here is my normal jungle.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a11...k76/carpet.jpg

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To me, that doesn't look like a "pure" jungle, Richard.

As for the pics posted by the OP, I can see why you think you see some IJ in there. Only time will tell, but enjoy...the head actually reminds me of some of Yasser's 75% Bredl's Jags from this year.

Nice looking animal in any case!

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Originally Posted by basuca

Problem solved! I contact the guys were I porches her from and they told me that does animals are bred by Jim Thompson and that they guaranty that they are pure jungles. :D

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Cool! Didn't read this last post.

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Originally Posted by MikeCurtin

To me, that doesn't look like a "pure" jungle, Richard.
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a11...k76/carpet.jpg
Nice looking animal in any case!

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I agree. This animal has way too much coastal influence to be a "pure" jungle. As for the OP's carpet, I would like to see pics of the parents before I could say that snake was a pure jungle.

definately not a pure jungle, here is a pic of my jungle. see the difference.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u...cture009-1.jpg

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Originally Posted by hawaiianice99

definately not a pure jungle, here is a pic of my jungle. see the difference.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u...cture009-1.jpg

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Where did you acquire that snake? I would have to question if yours is a "pure" jungle as well. It may very well be pure or a high % pure.

i dont think that she is pure just more than the one in question. i believe she could be a little part something else? I dont really know because the original owner didnt know either. these pics dont do her justice, her yellows are the most vibrant i have found so far but i cant be sure obviously. she looks pure to me but i will never know %100. what makes you think she may not be pure?

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u...9/smallsyd.jpg

she looks like she's got some coastal blood to me.

It's good to see that all the breeders of hybrids and locality mixes are keeping such good records and not misrepresenting non pure animals. :rolleyes:

What if you see he parents and they look like they are both probably jungles? Would that be enough for you to say that this animal is a pure jungle? You can't tell what this is with certanty, so what makes the parents identifiable with 100% certanty?

Threads like this should pretty much negate any opinion that hybrids are fine as long as the breeders and every owner represents the animals knowingly and honestly. It never happens.

you can't be 100% sure... these animals haven't been imported in so long that you're just taking someone's word... then again, i guess the only way to be sure is if you collected them yourself. :)

all we can do is speculate on internet forums.

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

It's good to see that all the breeders of hybrids and locality mixes are keeping such good records and not misrepresenting non pure animals. :rolleyes:

What if you see he parents and they look like they are both probably jungles? Would that be enough for you to say that this animal is a pure jungle? You can't tell what this is with certanty, so what makes the parents identifiable with 100% certanty?

Threads like this should pretty much negate any opinion that hybrids are fine as long as the breeders and every owner represents the animals knowingly and honestly. It never happens.

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Because seeing the parents can give you a better idea of what the individual really is. While it is still an educated guess, it is better than half the pathetic babble I see on these type of threads from people that do not work with these animals or have very little experince with carpets.
The other problem is that these are not hybrids but intergrades. This is the problem when one deals with intergrades as they are so phenotypically similar while hybrids are not.
And for the record, anyone that knows me, knows that I do not promote intergrade carpets.

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Originally Posted by MPenn

Because seeing the parents can give you a better idea of what the individual really is. While it is still an educated guess, it is better than half the pathetic babble I see on these type of threads from people that do not work with these animals or have very little experince with carpets.
The other problem is that these are not hybrids but intergrades. This is the problem when one deals with intergrades as they are so phenotypically similar while hybrids are not.
And for the record, anyone that knows me, knows that I do not promote intergrade carpets.

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Intergrades was the word I was thinking of when I said locality mixes. I'm also obviously against intergrades, but especially so with Australian species since we can't import pure locality animals.

Carpets even mix in the wild. Getting something pure is slim to none. However, If you're looking for a pet ditch the breeder nonsense and just love the animal. That's what 90 of people on here are here for and it shouldn't matter otherwise.

Here's a pic of my "intergrade"

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...DEt3zd4m1G.jpg

Thats a pretty snake.

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Originally Posted by DavidG

Carpets even mix in the wild. Getting something pure is slim to none. However, If you're looking for a pet ditch the breeder nonsense and just love the animal. That's what 90 of people on here are here for and it shouldn't matter otherwise.

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Yes, it is true that the different species of carpets have ranges that overlap and that there is some amount of interbreeding going on. However, there are still places in those ranges that you can aquire pure specimens.

While you may enjoy an intergrade as a pet, there are others out there that would rather have the real thing. It is still possible to find pure coastals, jungles, and diamonds in the States regardless of the babble that most keyboard jockeys on forums spout. If you can find a reputable breeder that has good lineage info on his animals you can rest assured that it is pure. There was several animals smuggled into the States decades ago over a small timespan that introduced pure blood to the States. There is also some pure animals that are being produced in Europe that are being legally imported into the States as we speak that will form the basis for new blood with lineage info and locality data.

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Originally Posted by DavidG

Carpets even mix in the wild. Getting something pure is slim to none. However, If you're looking for a pet ditch the breeder nonsense and just love the animal. That's what 90 of people on here are here for and it shouldn't matter otherwise.

Here's a pic of my "intergrade"

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...DEt3zd4m1G.jpg

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Thank you for the statistics.

WOW this treat still goes on... my carpet IS a jungle. I talk to the breeder and we clear every thing out. She shed like 2 weeks ago and her yellow is coming in. She is just a baby so her colors are brown but thats normal for a jungle.