Do I understand this correct?

I have a hypo male
If I added a jungle pastel 100% het hypo, I potentially could hatch a hypo jungle pastel.

Are there morphs that would potentially not give a "combo morph" through breeding my hypo to a morph that is 100% het hypo?

Sorry Im trying to learn all of this

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Originally Posted by uafgrad

I have a hypo male
If I added a jungle pastel 100% het hypo, I potentially could hatch a hypo jungle pastel.

Are there morphs that would potentially not give a "combo morph" through breeding my hypo to a morph that is 100% het hypo?

Sorry Im trying to learn all of this

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Yes you could hatch a hypo pastel from that pairing since pastel is a co-dominant gene and ghost or hypo is a recessive gene which both parents are carrying. If you are breeding your hypo to a 100% het hypo if they are a co-dom morph then you would always have a chance at getting the combo.
Hope this helps (tm Adam Wysocki)

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So if it was recessive, then you would need to do a second breeding with the offspring to get the desired morph?

i.e. if you had a hypo and bred it to a clown 100%HET Hypo, you would end up with a hypo that is 100% Het clown. Bred back to a clown you would have a hypo clown?
Correct?

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Originally Posted by uafgrad

Thanks
So if it was recessive, then you would need to do a second breeding with the offspring to get the desired morph?

i.e. if you had a hypo and bred it to a clown 100%HET Hypo, you would end up with a hypo that is 100% Het clown. Bred back to a clown you would have a hypo clown?
Correct?

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Yup that would be pretty much how it would work. In that pairing you would have 50/50 het ghost het clown and 50/50 ghost het clown. Your best bet would be to breed a ghost het clown back to the clown to make ghost clowns! That would be one hot snake too :D Good luck :gj:

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Originally Posted by uafgrad

Thanks
So if it was recessive, then you would need to do a second breeding with the offspring to get the desired morph?

i.e. if you had a hypo and bred it to a clown 100%HET Hypo, you would end up with a hypo that is 100% Het clown. Bred back to a clown you would have a hypo clown?
Correct?

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No, If you breed a Hypo to a clown that is also 100% het hypo, you would end up with half hypos and half 100% het for hypos, and all of them would also be 100% het for clown. If you bred them back to the clown, you can't get any hypos, because the original clown is not a het for hypo. You would have to breed a hypo het clown x hypo het clown to get 25% hypo clowns, and hypos hat are 66% chance het clown. Or you could do hypo het clown x double het, but your odds of hitting the double recessive would be less.

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Originally Posted by anendeloflorien

Yup that would be pretty much how it would work. In that pairing you would have 50/50 het ghost het clown and 50/50 ghost het clown. Your best bet would be to breed a ghost het clown back to the clown to make ghost clowns! That would be one hot snake too :D Good luck :gj:

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Hypo is recessive, so even breeding a ghost clown to a clown would not give you any homozygous ghost clowns. The clown would also need to at least be het for hypo to produce any hypo visuals.

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Originally Posted by uafgrad

Thanks
So if it was recessive, then you would need to do a second breeding with the offspring to get the desired morph?

i.e. if you had a hypo and bred it to a clown 100%HET Hypo, you would end up with a hypo that is 100% Het clown. Bred back to a clown you would have a hypo clown?
Correct?

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

No, If you breed a Hypo to a clown that is also 100% het hypo, you would end up with half hypos and half 100% het for hypos, and all of them would also be 100% het for clown. If you bred them back to the clown, you can't get any hypos, because the original clown is not a het for hypo. You would have to breed a hypo het clown x hypo het clown to get 25% hypo clowns, and hypos hat are 66% chance het clown. Or you could do hypo het clown x double het, but your odds of hitting the double reccessive would be less.

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He was saying if you had a het hypo clown. So it would work to breed back to make the double recessive. Good luck finding a 100% het ghost clown though lol.

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Originally Posted by uafgrad

Thanks
So if it was recessive, then you would need to do a second breeding with the offspring to get the desired morph?

i.e. if you had a hypo and bred it to a clown 100%HET Hypo, you would end up with a hypo that is 100% Het clown. Bred back to a clown you would have a hypo clown?
Correct?

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No, you would not have any ghost clowns from that breeding.

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

No, you would not have any ghost clowns from that breeding.

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Ok I'm confused why you keep saying that he wouldn't get hypo clowns from that breeding. If he bred a hypo baby from the hypo X clown 100% HET HYPO back to the CLOWN 100% HET HYPO why would he not get any hypo clowns?

All this talk of a hypo clown...does it exist yet?

Here's what I got when I plugged it into the genetics wizard

Het. clown, Het. ghost,
x
Het. clown, Het. ghost,

6.25% WT
12.5% Het. ghost,
6.25% Homozygous ghost,
12.5% Het. clown,
25% Het. clown, Het. ghost,
12.5% Het. clown, Homozygous ghost,
6.25% Homozygous clown,
12.5% Homozygous clown, Het. ghost,
6.25% Homozygous clown, Homozygous ghost,

So all in all not a huge chance to get the match but still would be fun to see :D

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

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Originally Posted by uafgrad View Post
Thanks
So if it was recessive, then you would need to do a second breeding with the offspring to get the desired morph?

i.e. if you had a hypo and bred it to a clown 100%HET Hypo, you would end up with a hypo that is 100% Het clown. Bred back to a clown you would have a hypo clown?
Correct?

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No, you would not have any ghost clowns from that breeding.

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I think your just reading too fast :P

Let's break down the bolded part:
Hypo x Clown het hypo

All animals from that breeding are either hypo or het hypo, and all are het for clown.

If he were to breed one of those hypos back to the parent Clown het hypo...

Hypo het clown x Clown het Hypo

YES, he could get Hypo Clowns. :gj:

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

I think your just reading too fast :P

Let's break down the bolded part:
Hypo x Clown het hypo

All animals from that breeding are either hypo or het hypo, and all are het for clown.

If he were to breed one of those hypos back to the parent Clown het hypo...

Hypo het clown x Clown het Hypo

YES, he could get Hypo Clowns. :gj:

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Hypo Het. Clown X Clown Het. Hypo
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Hypo Clowns

What about...
Hypo Het. Clown X Hypo Het. Clown
Or
Clown Het. Hypo X Clown Het. Hypo

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Originally Posted by Pwilliams58

All this talk of a hypo clown...does it exist yet?

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Not that I have been able to find but I think that it would be a pretty sweet looking morph. Im sure it will be produced before I would even have enough saved up and be able to find a clown het hypo though. Just kind of food for thought on my part

Any combination of 2 snakes that are BOTH at least het for hypo and clown can produce ghost clowns. In his last sentance, the one that actually mentioned producing his first double recessive ghost clown, he asked if breeding a hypo that is het for clown back to a clown would give him ghost clowns. The answer is no. He also mentioned that he'd have at least double hets, which would get him the double homozyous animal, but that is not what he asked. The only thing I was confused about was why he would breed a hypo het clown to a clown, when he could breed the hypo het clown to another hypo het clown, or a double het, or a clown het hypo. All those would produce a double recessive, but the final pairing he asked about would not. I don't need a punnett square or a program to know that you can't get a homozygous hypo from a straight up clown. :)

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i.e. if you had a hypo and bred it to a clown 100%HET Hypo, you would end up with a hypo that is 100% Het clown. Bred back to a clown you would have a hypo clown?
Correct?

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No.

I think we are all right if we can assume the clown he would be breeding back to is also het for hypo. I'd just hate to see someone spend all that money and do years of work, then blow it by thinking you could get a hypo clown from a hypo het clown x clown. I see where you are all coming from and you are all right, but you are saying something different than the original question. :)

Actually it is in the wording of the original question. Yes I assumed that he would breed back to the Clown het hypo but his post actually does say

"if you had a hypo and bred it to a clown 100%HET Hypo, you would end up with a hypo that is 100% Het clown. Bred back to a clown you would have a hypo clown?
Correct? "

So if you take the post word for word then no the pairing that is stated would not create the double homo. If you assume the animal was actually meant to be the original Clown Het Hypo then it is possible (though not a guarantee) to get the Double homo.
So it is really just a matter of wether you assumed or took the post word for word.

In my opinion since he says "breed back...", then it'd be the original clown het hypo. Even though he doesn't specificy it's the clown het hypo he'd be breeding with, he says breeding back, which insinuates he's breeding with the clown he already bred with, which is ultimately the clown het hypo.

He says, "breed back to A clown". And I don't assume. When you assume it only makes an ass of u and me. :D I'm pretty sure it was just worded wrong, but like I said before, I'd hate to see someone spend all that time and money for a couple of years then blow it by doing the pairing he asked about.