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Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
We've been watching him closely from the moment he first "appeared"....being pretty sure that he was already VERY familiar with us. Due to the amazing detective work of our very own Deborah (aka Frenchie! :D ) we have the final nail-in-the-coffin to prove he is the same guy in this thread:
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=75779
See Post #40 of this BOI thread for Deb's discovery...
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=118681
He has spent a lot of time on this site browsing our sales forum. He may have contacted some of you to inquire about animals you have available. Please, please be wary.
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
thank you very much for the great work in keeping this scammer at bay. Its a shame that there are people like this in any hobby. Thank you again for the great work. It is appreciated more than you can ever imagine!!
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
Quote:
Originally Posted by JLC
Due to the amazing detective work of our very own Deborah (aka Frenchie! :D ) we have the final nail-in-the-coffin to prove he is the same guy in this thread:
Ol Frenchie busted a scammer!! Way to go Deb, and nice to have another scammer exposed!
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
Go Deb! Rule with the Iron Hammer Girl! :number1:
:rockon:
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
YUS! Good job guys! If you lived by me I would offer you a drink and some halloween goodies! Everyone (except the scammers) LOVE you guys! Thanks for keeping us and our beloved pets safe!
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
thanks everyone that worked so hard on this I had all the screen shots on the old rollins got Herps site but Deb beat me to it LOL he has been texting me all morning trying to make excuses but as a very smart admin told me yesterday "only put in as much time as you want then let it go". So scammers beware the Frenchie will find you where ever u hide
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
THANK YOU!!!! I can't believe how many times this guy keeps showing up. It really boggles the mind.
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
Here are the emails that this person sent me offering info on the where abouts of my animals. Sorry I haven't been able to follow the recent threads on here and the BOI. I just posted all the info he gave me after he said it was ok. I didn't want to jump to any conclusion until I can really look into this.
Take it as it is for now and I will add to this once I have time tomorrow night to review everything.
Since Michael is ok with me posting his emails here they are. Take it as you wish. Based on some preliminary investigation I did I am still not sure what to believe at this point but this person Donald Rollins just through me for a loop. I've updated the police reports including this persons name so we'll see what comes from it.
--- On Sun, 10/5/08, michael spradlin <mtspradlin2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: michael spradlin <mtspradlin2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Stolen Animals
To: samnangleam@yahoo.com
Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 9:55 PM
Hello, this info must be kept off the forum's as the guy knows me and where I live, he also ripped me off selling me fake hets for lav. albino , I bought one last year bred it this year then tried to sell the babies when I found out the hard way I was scamme , but not before I traded for another 1.1 pair with phony papers! Again please keep my name out of this as I have young children and a family. My batteries on my keyboard are low so if some misspellings occur thats why. you had the mojave and ghost, correct? well he traded the ghost off at the last all-ohio show on oct. 4 for some boas, I was there I saw it, I have been dealing with this guy for about a month or so now, we had tables next to each other at that show and at he last west carrolton show.the mojave is at his house in dayton. along with the other guys 1.1 fires and the spider, I know its his spider becuase of the "moustach" seen in the pics.And a bee but I didn't see anyone missing a bee,I went there to talk to him to try to get my money or something back for what he screwed me on and took these cell phone pics, they are horrible bu your mojave is in the bottom left hand corner balled up!! I promiss these are yours! I even saw the paper work for the fires! his name is donny rollins, he is using another guys house in new carlisle to ship too and he uses the computers there and at local libraies, he is on parole for drugs as he just got out like 6 mos. ago. I have a phone number and email address and I can get an address. but I warn you if you let him know he will get rid of them! as he and a friend also have a shop or "rescue" in miamisburg,oh that guys name is jay,check dayton craigslist for reptile rescue's, again it's donald lee rollins and jay ??? donny's phone is 937-718-1889 cosler ave,st, or dr. in dayton,ohio I can figure out who he traded the ghost to at the next show in columbus on the 25th anything else you need i can get it!!
--- On Sun, 10/5/08, sam leam <samnangleam@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: sam leam <samnangleam@yahoo.com>
Subject: Stolen Animals
To: mtspradlin2000@yahoo.com
Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 9:14 PM
Hi Mike,
What do you have for me? His real name would be a tremendous help or any info on whether he has sold them to anyone.
Sam Leam
--- On Sun, 10/5/08, michael spradlin <mtspradlin2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: michael spradlin <mtspradlin2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Stolen Animals
To: samnangleam@yahoo.com
Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 10:02 PM
I think xanaxez a member on fuana is jay from miamisburg! jay is the one watching for him
--- On Sun, 10/5/08, michael spradlin <mtspradlin2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: michael spradlin <mtspradlin2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Stolen Animals
To: samnangleam@yahoo.com
Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 10:17 PM
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=125287633
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=338052764 here's your guys
--- On Sun, 10/5/08, michael spradlin <mtspradlin2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: michael spradlin <mtspradlin2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Stolen Animals
To: samnangleam@yahoo.com
Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 10:18 PM
check the pics the animals are there
--- On Sun, 10/5/08, michael spradlin <mtspradlin2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: michael spradlin <mtspradlin2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Stolen Animals
To: samnangleam@yahoo.com
Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 10:35 PM
here is a list he gave me about a week or so ago trying to trade me some animals for a set of wheels I had on craigslist, here is his email donaldleerollins@yahoo.com notice your animals he has up for sale!!
1- NORMAL BABY BALL PYTHONS = $25 EACH
11- FANCY BABY BALL PYTHONS = $50-$100 EACH
1.1 - FIRE 100% HET LUECISTIC BABY BALL PYTHONS = $1750
0.1 - SPIDER 100% HET ALBINO BABY BALL PYTHON = $800
1.0 - MOJAVE BABY BALL PYTHON = $400
1.0 - 2 FOOT NORMAL BALL PYTHON = $50
1.0 - ADULT PASTEL BALL PYTHON = $200 (PROVEN)
1.0 - ADULT BALL PYTHON = $75
1.1- 3 1/2 FOOT ADULT BALL PYTHONS = $250 (WAS BREEDING 8-12-08)
8 - BABY COLUMBIAN REDTAIL BOAS = $75 EACH
4 - BABY NICUAGUAN BOAS = $50 EACH
0.1 - 2 FOOT NICUAGUAN BOA = $75
1.0 - BABY PASTEL BOA = $125
4.0 - 6 FOOT BOAS = $150 EACH
0.3 - 8 FOOT REDTAIL BOAS = $250 EACH
0.1 - 8 FOOT TYPE 2 ANERY BOA $350
0.1 - 9 FOOT REDTAIL BOA = $300
1.1 - 6 FOOT 100%HET ANERY BOAS = $500 (PROVEN)
1.1 - 7 FOOT 100%HET ALBINO BOAS = $500 (PROVEN)
1.1 - 4 FOOT COLUMBIAN RAINBOW BOAS = $400 (PROVEN)
1.1 - DUMERILS BOAS (0.1=6 FOOT, 1.0=4 1/2 FOOT) = $500
1.1 - 6 1/2 FOOT RED TAIL BOAS = $400 (PROVEN)
0.2 - 6 FOOT YELLOW ANACONDAS = $250 EACH
0.1 - 5 FOOT JUNGLE CARPET PYTHON = $200
1.1 - 7 FOOT ALBINO BURMESE PYTHONS = $450 A PAIR
1.0 - 8 FOOT REGULAR BURMESE PYTHON = $150
1.0 - 11 FOOT ALBINO BURMESE PYTHON = $350
0.1 - 9 FOOT REGULAR BURMESE PYTHON = $200
1.0 - 10 FOOT ALBINO BURMESE PYTHON = $300
0.1 - 10 FOOT REGULAR BURMESE PYTHON = $250
0.1 - 11 FOOT REGULAR BURMESE PYTHON = $250
0.1 - 12 1/2 FOOT REGULAR BURMESE PYTHON = $300
1.0 - 7 FOOT RETICULATED PYTHON = $150 (TAME)
1.0 - 11 FOOT GRANITE BACK RETICULATED PYTHON = $300
1.2 TANGERINE PHASE HONDURAN MILK SNAKES = $ 300 TRIO
1- 2 FOOT BANDED WATER SNAKE FROM TENNESSEE = $25
1 - TWO FOOT AMERICAN ALIGATORS = $100
3.0 - 3 FOOT SAVANNAH MONITOR = $ 200 EACH (DOG TAME)
1- 18 INCH NILE MONITOR = $50
1.0 - 6 FOOT NILE MONITOR = $800
1 - BABY HIGH (ORANGE/PASTEL HIGH YELLOW) BEARDED DRAGON = $45
1.2 - 2 YEAR OLD BEARDED DRAGONS $500 TRIO (PROVEN LAID 15 EGGS 9/23/08)
1.2 - 1 1/2 YEAR OLD BEARDED DRAGONS $450 TRIO
1 - SUB-ADULT GARGOYLE GECKO = $65
1.0 - 4 FOOT IGUANA = $150
1 - 18 INCH SUMOTRAN WATER MONITOR = $175
0.1 - 3 FOOT WATER MONITOR = $300
0.1 - 5 FOOT WATER MONITOR = $600
2- ADULT EMPORIOR SCORPIONS = $15 EACH
1.0 - 1 1/2 YAER OLD MILITARY MACAW & LARGE CALIFORNIA CAGE = $1500
WILL GIVE DISCOUNT ON QUANTITY PURCHASES & WILL CONSIDER ALL TRADES
THANK YOU , DONALD & JAY
937-866-5521 (BEFORE 7PM) DONALD & JAY
937-718-1889 (AFTER 7PM) DONALD
937-241-5551 (ANY TIME) JAY
- On Mon, 10/6/08, michael spradlin <mtspradlin2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: michael spradlin <mtspradlin2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Stolen Animals
To: samnangleam@yahoo.com
Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 3:21 AM
He has a run down house he is trying to sell at that address but no one stays there he stays with some girl on cosler he has a bunch of animals there,I have seen your guys animals there like I said you can plainly see the spider and a fire in that pic. ou are more than welcome as he has screwwed me over as well and pretty much stolen a majority of my codom's in the trades for fake hets now my animals are gone, and I'm not a man of very much money or animals so it's going to be very hard to rebuild my collection! Maybe as a token of gradatude you can give me some really good deals on a couple animals!! Lol Let me know what else you need I will, get the names of the breeders he traded the ghost to, and if they have it up for sale a pic.Thank you. Michael
- On Mon, 10/6/08, michael spradlin <mtspradlin2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: michael spradlin <mtspradlin2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Stolen Animals
To: samnangleam@yahoo.com
Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 3:45 AM
I will have to think about that, I am very sorry but as I said, I have a family and small children. I and have to live here, you guys don't, he knows exactly where I live, as he came here to get my animals, my animals are long gone, they aren't at his place, or at jay's. I checked, belive me. I mean to guy is a criminal that is on parole still, he would most likely do "whatever" to stay out of jail. I don't need any of this carrying into my families life. But I am happy to do as much sluething as you need. I can get you an actual physical address to where the animals are know which is where he is staying. If you can get the people he traded the ghost to you may not need me as a witness anyway.I hope you understand where 'm coming from on this one, I'm not trying to be difficult at all. But this is affecting my biz as well as everytime I put up an animal everyone thinks "I'm" a scam becuase of where I live, I'm having problems right now on the boi becuase of it! Read the thread and the problem now is that the caramek male I speak of in the thread is "Jay's" so Now how am I gonna get picks of him and my female together since they are avoiding me becuase they scammed me! I a going to look very bad. Not to sound like a junky or anything, lmao, but would you be willing to hook me up on a couple deals? That sounds pathetic I know, but I'm just trying to get a few things back from what I lost so I can get back on track. I sound awful....I am sorry... Michael
--- On Mon, 10/6/08, sam leam <samnangleam@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: sam leam <samnangleam@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Stolen Animals
To: mtspradlin2000@yahoo.com
Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 3:23 AM
Are you willing to add your name to the police reports I already filed? Maybe you can get your property back? The officer said I already have a good case against him in civil court but I am holding out to file criminal charges against him instead.
Sam Leam
--- On Mon, 10/6/08, michael spradlin <mtspradlin2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: michael spradlin <mtspradlin2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Stolen Animals
To: "samnangleam@yahoo.com" <samnangleam@yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 12:49 PM
If the people on fauna dont stop putting the guys name on the board he will
surely catch on
On Mon, 10/6/08, michael spradlin <mtspradlin2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: michael spradlin <mtspradlin2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Stolen Animals
To: samnangleam@yahoo.com
Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 6:01 PM
Thank
you my friend, I will still consider getting into the invest. on paper.
But I need to see how this thread on fuana pans out if the guy figures
out I'm outing him he might try something drastic towards me and my
family, that's why I have been worried about the thread, I don't care
that people are trying to discredit me, I know me and I know what I
have done, and I have done nothing scandelous. I honestly don't care
what the forum's say I just want this guy to get what he's got coming.I
can't afford 1000(you wrote 100 but I assumed 1000, if it's 100 I want
them, lol) right now, I am looking for guaranteed hets from someone
reputable. Like albino hets, and a female spider 1.1 yellow belly..As I
don't have much cash now and I have gotten screwed on most of my
snakes. But I greatly appreciate the offer. Are you going to come up
for the show in columbus? On the 25th?
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
I found it interesting that he only started emailing you when the Fauna thread was started, yet he knew about you and your story since he had joined on BP.net
In his email he claims
Quote:
we had tables next to each other at that show and at he last west carrolton show.
Yet
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Originally Posted by ***nvp***
I also live by dayton. I went to the west carrolton show which guy was he? I didn't see anyone there with hypo's
Not sure about you but it sounds like someone that has issue being able to keep up with his own lies :rolleyes:
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
Wow very interesting...this is the side of the hobby I hope I never get caught up in!
There are some bad people out there giving our hobby a black-eye :(:mad:
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
Way to go Deb and everyone else for keeping this scum out!
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
Thanks everyone just doing my job helping to take the trash out ;)
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
of the 3 numbers in Sam's email from ***nvp*** the first is to a dayton furiture shop and the next one is used in lots of ads with Donald rollins name all over them and the third i couldnt find it ever used
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
>.> I'm from Huber Heights, but I'm no scammer! This Donald Lee Rollins person tried to get me interested in buying from him... glad I didn't!
(...And there's a West Carrollton show? Anyone who knows about it give me some info? /hijack)
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
yes i am on fuana also and yes they are doing shows in west carrollton i was there saturday. now on to this matter i dont know where these people actually live but i do know that yes there is a jay in miamisburg and yes he does sell pets out of another business called all about wood, and they were at the sell saturday if it is the same jay. if anyone knows what he looks like or has a picture of him i verify it easily and this jay did have a mojave, and a spider for sale at the show. he didnt have many animals there but his few snakes were a mojave,spider,albino ball and a few others. some lizards and a spider also. oh and some rabbits/bunnies. i cant remember the exact name because most of you know i know very little about balls but im learning but it was either a special type of mojave or spider that he had he was trying to get 900.00 out of but liek i said its always 2 guys one runs the wood business the other runs the snakes but the one running the wood business also has snakes lol and one of thems name is jay and he does operate and have a place in miamisburg and they do sell on craigslist because thats how i ended up talking to them because of some snakes listed but i never bough one i tried to buy some cages from them.
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
ok as to i re-read this post again i noticed there pics were on the myspace links provided in the post. yes that is them and yes he is selling animals out of a business there called "" all about wood "" and yes they were at the show saturday selling reptiles which could have possibly been the ones in question. so i guess if you're looking for comformation then yes that is him. any more question then just ask in post or pm me.
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
I'd be very leery at this point of anyone who lives in Ohio, Sam. This guy is determined to throw you off his trail. I'm not saying everyone from the buckeye is untrustworthy, but please continue to step carefully. All that doody about run down houses and trying to make him look dangerous by saying he's out on parole? Hooey. Like I told you before, I'm more than happy to make a special trip over if this makes it to court. This guy needs to pay for what he's done and continues to do.
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
Ok I am confused by the post here and on Fauna. Is David Rollins part of this scam? If so, he is now posting to unsuspecting people on Craigslist.
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
I'm also thoroughly confused about everything NVP has posted.
I have reread that Fauna thread at least 4 times, and it is still very hard to follow.
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
well... from what it looks by reading them all and trying to keep up it seems they're a couple of them involved in this or one pretending to be all 3 im not for sure lol. but i would be very cautious or weiry about trying to buy from any of them. some of the snakes for sale from them if i recall are either someone elses that hasnt been returned or one that were sold but never shipped and some that they dont even have.
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
Well, at this point I am not planning on buying anything from anyone but Adam anyway but...
No Ohio sellers for me unless I already know them well, but I didn't before hand anyway. I am sure I have walked by these scammers at the Ohio show many times before.
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
Well, I'm sitting here trying to figure out exactly what happened.
He had bought the original het Lav female from the scammer last year, and (from what Tosha has said, although I don't remember seeing it in his posts) he bred her to a Lavender Male. Not a het, a Lavender male.
He didn't get any Lav's from the pairing, so he goes back to the SAME guy he purchased it from the year before, and trades that female for 2 100% het lav's.
Put's up an ad
Then.... somewhere on that day he finds out from somewhere they are just normals.
Then... this fauna thread is made
Then he contacts Sticky Tongues
And I'm lost again..
That's probably all wrong... but it's what I could glean from it. :oops:
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
Quote:
He had bought the original het Lav female from the scammer last year, and (from what Tosha has said, although I don't remember seeing it in his posts) he bred her to a Lavender Male. Not a het, a Lavender male.
Right here
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Hello jeff, sorry for the confusion but they were not produced by grant but damed by one of his 100%hets and sired by an RDR lavender albino, we were looking at around 1200-1400 trade value.Thanks very much..Michael
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...98&postcount=9
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
I can't follow the thread on fauna either. :rolleyes: Thank goodness for Deborah summing it up, and sniffing him out (whether he's the same guy who keeps doing this, or a different scammer.......)
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
Quote:
Originally Posted by dprince
I can't follow the thread on fauna either. :rolleyes: Thank goodness for Deborah summing it up, and sniffing him out (whether he's the same guy who keeps doing this, or a different scammer.......)
Trust me I have a hard time following myself as there are many inconsistencies and the story evolves as it goes. :rolleye2:
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
Attagirl Deb!
You and your steel trap of a brain. I knew there was a reason I PM you whenever I am having trouble remembering the W5s of any situation. :)
Bruce
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
Okay, I reread it yet again....
So, he bought the Het female Lav from this scammer guy. Bred her to his RDR Lav albino male, but he got all normals.
He knows then that she is not a het, but if he bred her to a Lav Albino, then the offspring he was trying to trade/sell are still hets. Am I right? They should all be het for RDR Lav Albino.
Then he goes on to say that he knew the hets were fake when he talked to Grant. And I'm assuming he contacted Grant because he expected Lav albinos if he bred the Het female to a Lav Albino male.
Are the two hets he is referring to in his email to Jeff Lumin really from the fake Het female and the RDR Lavender Albino Male?
Does he actually have a Lavender Albino? That's I think where I'm confused.
Any animal from a Lavender Albino male IS a het. Where are those animals? Or is he lying about the Lav male?
It appears that there are several different animals being discussed in that thread. I just need to sort out which ones are which...
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
Grant posted on KS that Michael Spradlin was selling fake hets as produced by him (thread got pulled for obvious reasons) and then I saw the ad for the pastel het caramel with Michaels name on it and got a bit curious so I emailed Grant to make sure it was the same guy. Grant did send me the email communications with Michael as well as the fake paperwork but said he wasn't not going to bother posting on the BOI thread.
Anyway in the emails he says he was scammed by Donny and didn't know. He says he put the supposed het he bought last year from Donny with his RDR Lavender Albino male and got nothing but normal looking animals. To some these were the ones he was selling to others it was the 08 het pair supposedly produced by Grant with the bogus paperwork that he was selling.
The reason I kept pushing for him to show the Lav Albino is because I knew he didn't have it. Or at least he'd have to come up with a bogus picture to prove he did as well as he wouldn't be able to prove where he bought it from - as there were only a few places you could have gotten a breedable Lav Albino. I figured it would be another nail in his coffin. I mean come on for him to have a $20K+ animal and not have a picture of :rolleyes: Hell last year the juvie het would have been $20K and he says he paid cash without a genetics guarantee! :rolleyes:
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tosha_Mc
I mean come on for him to have a $20K+ animal and not have a picture of :rolleyes:
Exactly!! I have pictures of all of my snakes............from the normals, to the not so normals. If I had a $20K snake, you'd be darned skippy right I'd have a photo (or two) of it.
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
Quote:
I mean come on for him to have a $20K+ animal and not have a picture of
Must be his wife 's fault since she takes the pictures :8:
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadera
I'd be very leery at this point of anyone who lives in Ohio, Sam. This guy is determined to throw you off his trail. I'm not saying everyone from the buckeye is untrustworthy, but please continue to step carefully. All that doody about run down houses and trying to make him look dangerous by saying he's out on parole? Hooey. Like I told you before, I'm more than happy to make a special trip over if this makes it to court. This guy needs to pay for what he's done and continues to do.
Shadera,
I had that same thought as well as soon as he had mentioned this. This was the same type of email that Matt had sent Chris Huffman. To me it was just more names, numbers, to add to the pile of mess. I updated the police reports and the IC3 complaint with the info he provided. Now why he would provide these guys names if they were his partners or accomplices I have no clue.
Either way I hope the authorities will take what they have and will unravel this mystery one and for all. I just can't believe how big this is getting. People like this needs to be held accountable because who knows what other scams they might be running now or in the near future.
My goal in filing the reports was to get these guys names in the system so that if they ever try this again and someone reports these guys they will find a connection. Hopefully this will help someone else to build other cases against these scumbags.
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Re: Scammer Revealed... ***nvp***
So was donald rollins the bad guy or was the other guy that said he had a lavendar the bad guy? im confused lol
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