Question about color morph......

Hi everyone!! We just picked up a beautiful baby corn snake. What I am trying to decide though is what color morph it is.
It has bright red diamonds, outlined very thinly in white, then the rest of the space between the diamonds is pink.
Whatever he or she is, what a cute snake!!!!!!!
Can anyone help?
Thank you!!!!!!

Hmm... sounds offhand like an Amel. Pictures would really help for better IDing, tho, since there are more than one corn morph with those colors. :)

Congrats on the new friend, BTW. :D

I agree, sounds like an amel.

maybe amel? So many corn morphs i think a picture is needed

I'll get to work on that! lol, Sorry, I should have known better than to ask a question like that and not post a pic.

Does it look like any of these

Top - Amel Motley
Middle - Normal (but maybe something to her)
Bottom - Amel
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2.../100_0912b.jpg

Here is another Amel with less white
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...e/100_3352.jpg

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Originally Posted by FloridaHogs

Does it look like any of these

Top - Amel Motley
Middle - Normal (but maybe something to her)
Bottom - Amel
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2.../100_0912b.jpg

Here is another Amel with less white
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...e/100_3352.jpg

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FloridaHogs,
Yes, she looks most like the top picture, bottom snake. I'm assuming that even though right now at less than 2 months old, her colors will change some as she gets older. (She hatched on August 18)
I was reading on the web last night and from what I read it said her pink could become more orange.
So I'm pretty sure you guys are right and she is a amel. I hadn't actually seen one before, I had no idea they were so pretty!!!
I'll still post pics, I did get some taken last night.

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Originally Posted by FloridaHogs

Does it look like any of these

Top - Amel Motley
Middle - Normal (but maybe something to her)
Bottom - Amel

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Hmm... that looks more like a ghost or dark anery to me. What do you think, Matt? :)

Top pic, bottom snake, Amel.

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Originally Posted by Argentra

Hmm... that looks more like a ghost or dark anery to me. What do you think, Matt? :)

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She is a WC rescue that was pulled out of someones yard a couple of years ago. I kept her because she looked SO different from any other wild types I have found in this area. She is finally up to breeding weight, so hopefully I will get to play around with her genetics and see what is going on now. Here are some better pics of her.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2.../100_0728b.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2.../100_0344b.jpg

Wow!! That is an absolutely stunning looking snake!!!!!!
I'll post pictures of the baby as soon as I can. I'm still thinking amel but I'm just realizing just how many kinds of amel there are, its a little bit of information overload.
My husband asked me last night if I had figured out what kind of color morph the new baby is. I told him I thought I had an idea. Then he said if amel means no black, then our lavender, our snow, and our ghost are all technically amel as well. I said I think so. Is that right?
By the way, good news. We offered a very small pinkie last night, at first she showed no interest, but we just left in in the deli cup with her and within a few minutes she has started eating. I was very happy, she is so small and I worry about tiny ones not eating. Even though the lady who bred her said she is a pig.
(by the way, just to be clear, we don't know a sex for sure, we are calling her a her because the breeder did, we will find out at the next reptile show.)

Glad she ate for you, and sorry the thread went a little off track. A good book to check into for corn snake morphs is the Cornsnake Morph Guide by Charles Pritzel.

Not a problem, I love that snake you posted the picture of. I don't have any that look like that.

Yeah...sorry for derailing things there. :oops: But yeah, if that snake isn't a ghost it's a really light Anery. That is NOT a normal. :D

Great news that the little one ate for ya!

And yes, technically those other morphs were at least created at some point with amelanistic genes. Amel simply means a lack of dark pigment after all. :)

And get those pictures up ASAP! ;)

[QUOTE=Argentra;893608]Yeah...sorry for derailing things there. :oops: But yeah, if that snake isn't a ghost it's a really light Anery. That is NOT a normal. :D

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I will start a new thread to discuss this girl, and post some comparision shots of her.

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Originally Posted by Mina

Wow!! That is an absolutely stunning looking snake!!!!!!
I'll post pictures of the baby as soon as I can. I'm still thinking amel but I'm just realizing just how many kinds of amel there are, its a little bit of information overload.

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Genetically all amels are the same (i.e. candy canes, sunglow, reverse okeetee, etc). So an amel is still an amel.

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My husband asked me last night if I had figured out what kind of color morph the new baby is. I told him I thought I had an idea. Then he said if amel means no black, then our lavender, our snow, and our ghost are all technically amel as well. I said I think so. Is that right?

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Lavender isn't amel related, its more of an anery type gene that reduces or gets rid of reds/oranges. And snow is amel + anery. And ghosts are anery + hypo (they still have black, but the hypo reduces it).

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(by the way, just to be clear, we don't know a sex for sure, we are calling her a her because the breeder did, we will find out at the next reptile show.)

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At that show try and have someone show you how to sex as well, that way you can sex your own snakes. Its a very valuable thing to be able to do, and is quite easy.

As for the pink, my Amel, Cobb, who is about a year old now used to turn pink when he was getting ready to shed as a baby. Now he's older his oranges have become much more vibrant.

We took pictures of the baby to the Tinley Park show today. The general comment was amel/reverse oketee, red albino, which most of the people we spoke to said was the same thing.

BTW, just to clear something up...

Amelanism is lack of BLACK pigment. Anerythrism is lack of RED pigment. Axanthism is lack of YELLOW pigment.

If your animal is a SHADE of one of these colors (ie, lavender, SHADES of grey....) it would be VERY difficult for that animal to be WITHOUT that pigment. Lavender is like Anery A, Anery B, etc, that remove RED, and therefore, ORANGE pigment.

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Then he said if amel means no black, then our lavender, our snow, and our ghost are all technically amel as well. I said I think so. Is that right?

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Lavender is a single gene, removes red/oranges, fades out black pigment (melanin) to interesting purple/mocha color. No amelanism involved.

Snow IS an Amelanism based phenotype. It is a combination of Anery A and Amelanism (when you remove both red AND black, you are left with a white snake with some weird yellowish markings, hence, snow!).

The Ghost is a Hypomelanistic Anery A corn snake. Anery A... you have removed red with this gene. You are left with a primarily melanin-based coloration. Hypomelanism reduces the SATURATION of melanin in these snakes. You are not REMOVING melanin with either of these genes, so Amelanism can't be said to be involved. That, and, well, the gene would need to be there... :)

With most corn snake morphs being the result of recessive genes, you can have some interesting partial expressions show up in Het individuals, but generally, this is what is involved with these morphs.

The snake you describe sounds like an Amel, possibly produced from Reverse Okeetee or Candy Cane stock, as, from your description, it has reduced orange, so far :)

BTW, where are the pictures? :)

Darcy