Twins X 2

This was one of my neatest clutches from the 08 season. I hatched 7 snakes from 5 eggs! Two sets of identical twins in the same clutch.

A couple of pics of the first set of twins:
http://www.joecompelreptiles.com/ima...ins_set_1a.jpg
http://www.joecompelreptiles.com/ima...ins_set_1b.jpg

And a couple of the second set:
http://www.joecompelreptiles.com/ima...ins_set_2a.jpg
http://www.joecompelreptiles.com/ima...ins_set_2b.jpg

Everybody is het albino to boot :yes:

That's awesome Joe!!! Congrats.

I'm green with envy ... I've only done twins once, and I didn't even know it until Kelly was checking egg boxes and asked me why there were 10 snakes and only empty shells ... totally missed it. :(

Are they super tiny?

-adam

Thats awesome man, I'm happy for you! Thats a really lucky clutch! Try their parents again and let us know if its them!

Awesome Joe! Be sure to update us once they've shed! I'd love to see the two sets next to eachother. :D

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

That's awesome Joe!!! Congrats.

I'm green with envy ... I've only done twins once, and I didn't even know it until Kelly was checking egg boxes and asked me why there were 10 snakes and only empty shells ... totally missed it. :(

Are they super tiny?

-adam

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Thanks man. I hatched twins a bunch of times.....with pretty poor results.

These are ridiculously tiny...but they are perfect. I hope they make it.

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Originally Posted by Joe_Compel

Thanks man. I hatched twins a bunch of times.....with pretty poor results.

These are ridiculously tiny...but they are perfect. I hope they make it.

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Kel and I have our fingers crossed for you ... we love tiny babies!

-adam

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Originally Posted by casperca

Awesome Joe! Be sure to update us once they've shed! I'd love to see the two sets next to eachother. :D

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They have shed and are feeding too. My best twins so far....we'll see.
I'll shoot some pics if they ever put some size on.

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Originally Posted by Joe_Compel

They have shed and are feeding too. My best twins so far....we'll see.
I'll shoot some pics if they ever put some size on.

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Good luck with those Joe. Hopefully both of them eating is a good sign. I thought I was going to hatch out twins in one clutch a year ago but it turned out one of them had just slit his way through two eggs. :rofl:

congrats on a great clutch!

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Originally Posted by Joe_Compel

[...] Two sets of identical twins in the same clutch[...]

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what do you mean by "identical"? I've hatched twin pastels in 2006 and mine really were NOT identical in any way (pattern, size, etc)... are you saying that the patterns on the twins are identical?

Regards,
Bristen.

Is it possible to get twins of two different genetics?

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

Is it possible to get twins of two different genetics?

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I believe so pat, I remember seeing a thread a while ago were one twin was a pastel and the other was normal, I can't find it though.

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Originally Posted by Pwilliams58

I believe so pat, I remember seeing a thread a while ago were one twin was a pastel and the other was normal, I can't find it though.

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http://www.ballpython.ca/images/bree...al/twins_b.jpg

pastel and normal... produced by Markus Jayne Reptiles (picture also belongs to them, found it on their site)..

Regards,
Bristen.

were the twin eggs suggnificanly larger than the rest? i was wondering cuz i have an egg in a clutch of mine that is prob close to 3 times larger than the rest.

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Originally Posted by andwhy6

were the twin eggs suggnificanly larger than the rest? i was wondering cuz i have an egg in a clutch of mine that is prob close to 3 times larger than the rest.

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I don't know about everybody else, but in my case the egg was not any larger than the other eggs... one of the twin pastels I produced is alive and doing well up until today a few years later.. the other one however was too small, couldn't eat or digest food... after being assist-fed for months, it eventually passed away.

I have had really large eggs this year and no twins came out of them... good-sized babies, but not as large as I was expecting... those babies had a lot of room to swim in there LOL!

Regards,
Bristen.

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Originally Posted by CruelHerbie

Thats awesome man, I'm happy for you! Thats a really lucky clutch! Try their parents again and let us know if its them!

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Thanks...I will pair off the parents again. However, I have bred this pair in the past without producing twins.
Incidentally, one set of twins are girls and the other set are boys. Everyone is het albino. It could make an interesting breeding project when they get up to size (twenty five years from now!)

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Originally Posted by Albey

Good luck with those Joe. Hopefully both of them eating is a good sign. I thought I was going to hatch out twins in one clutch a year ago but it turned out one of them had just slit his way through two eggs.

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Thanks....that has happened to me too. Two heads poking out of one egg........but they look way to big to be twins......only to find out one snake pipped its way into another's egg!

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Originally Posted by Bristen

what do you mean by "identical"? I've hatched twin pastels in 2006 and mine really were NOT identical in any way (pattern, size, etc)... are you saying that the patterns on the twins are identical?

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No....not identical patterns. Both sets of twins each shared a yolk....making them identical twins. I usually don't cut eggs open but when I saw twins still in their eggs, I cut open the eggs to see if they were sharing a yolk. Even though they are identical twins, they do not have the same patterns.
Fraternal twins would have each have their own yolk.

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

Is it possible to get twins of two different genetics?

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Of different morphs?....Yes if they are fraternal twins. I think Mark Mandic hatched a pastel and a normal out of one egg......or maybe it was an albino and a het out of one egg. Either way, I am pretty sure it has happened already.

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Originally Posted by andwhy6

were the twin eggs suggnificanly larger than the rest? i was wondering cuz i have an egg in a clutch of mine that is prob close to 3 times larger than the rest.

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Nope.....these twins were out of normal sized eggs.....but the twins were tiny. I get huge eggs from time to time too.....usually big babies crawl out of them. Like Bristen said, big eggs may hatch bigger babies but not necessarily twins.

That is amazing!!! Good luck getting them established and growing.

Wow so cool, good luck with them! I hope that all 4 of them stay good and healthy for ya :D

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Originally Posted by Joe_Compel

[...]No....not identical patterns. Both sets of twins each shared a yolk....making them identical twins. I usually don't cut eggs open but when I saw twins still in their eggs, I cut open the eggs to see if they were sharing a yolk. Even though they are identical twins, they do not have the same patterns. Fraternal twins would have each have their own yolk[...]

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wow, thanks for the details... I didn't study mine that closely.. two snakes in one egg, that's all I know heh! Very interesting stuff :)

Regards,
Bristen.