Black Pastels

Ive read the NWE's guide to morphs regarding black pastels. And Im a lil curious and confused bout the squiggles that appears on them. Does it really mean that if your bp matches NWE's description of the morph, like the sguiggles, clear belly, etc, then you have indeed a black pastel? Doesnt that "markers" appear on normals? Cause Ive seen black pastel's capabilities in producing morphs, that's making me want to buy one.:) But I think a lil research on their looks might be of great help. Thanks in advance guys.

The guides are good to help you identify the subtleties of each morph. If you wanted to try proving out a CH animal as a black pastel knowing the traits would be helpful; but even finding a CH animal with the markers does not guarantee that the look will be genetically inheiritable by the offspring. Buying from a breeder working with a proven line is the only way to guarantee 100% that your snake is a black pastel.

Isn't the black pastel actually the results of selective breeding of Cinnimon Pastels?

I like the look of a cinny better than the black pastel, but when you go super having one be black pastel really helps.

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Isn't the black pastel actually the results of selective breeding of Cinnimon Pastels?

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:colbert: nope.

Each produce a dark partternless super, each produce a pewter

The cinny produces the sterling and the black pastel produces the silver streak.

For me it is black pastel all the way there are only very few cinnies that I like (Adam's and Albey's cinnies)

This is a Black Pastel

http://stewartreptiles.com/BallPytho...ckPastel01.jpg

I like them both, but the hypo version i think the black looks better kinda more orange, but then again if you look at TIMs hypo cinny its amazing, so im kinda torn haha

Deborah that is a beautiful snake.

Just get both, they're not that expensive at all and then you don't have to choose lol.

tell me which is Black Pastel and which is Cinnamon? just to see in anybody can see the difference i like them both and plan on working with them both for quite awhile
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...z/DSC00674.jpg

2 cinnies on the left, 1 in shed and the one on the right is BP? Its hard lol.

close there is a female bp on the left in shed a cinny in the middle and a male bp on the right

Ya the shed threw me off. From the little I've seen the cinnies have more brown shading and that's how you tell.

Here's the Gary Liesen Black Pastel. Gary has a wild caught male that make some nice babies :) IMHO

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...1/DSC_0646.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...d1/blkpas1.jpg


http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...nd1/blkpas.jpg

Wow! that is an amazing looking Black Pastel Steve. I have been keeping a look out for one that nice but you never see them for sale.

Wow that black pastel is awesome! Another newbie question here guys, can a normal ball python have the looks of a black pastel? Meaning having the markers as said on the NWE's guide? Like the scribbles on the alien eyes, some flaming, and the clear belly, etc?

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Wow that black pastel is awesome! Another newbie question here guys, can a normal ball python have the looks of a black pastel? Meaning having the markers as said on the NWE's guide? Like the scribbles on the alien eyes, some flaming, and the clear belly, etc?

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They sure can!

Here is my little male bp

http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/q...s/P9210783.jpg