another jag question

This may be a stupid question but oh well:rolleyes:

what makes a jag a jag?
like what specific pattern or head pattern...etc

the reason i ask is because i've seen regular coastals that look a lot like a jag.

thanks for any replies

to the untrained eye, yes... some coastals could resemble a jag.
a jag is a co-dom morph.. just like any number of ball, corn, etc morphs.

jags typically have a cleaner pattern, lighter background color, often have reduced patterns with saddles that form a patternless stripe down its back, a clear (patternless) belly, and a clearly defined head pattern.

oh yes, and jags are more $$$ :)

here are some of my coastals that may look similar if you aren't into cosatals.
jag...
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/files/2/3/3/2/jag.JPG

striped coastal...
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../acstripe2.jpg

normal red coastal with somewhat reduced pattern... for sale too ;)
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...ch3_904137.jpg

the striped is my favorite one of those.... im definitely a sucker for stripes...
the reason I ask about the jag pattern is im getting one off of king snake.... its a red phase jag from the spitfire line. . I just wanted to make sure I knew exactly what im getting before I drain the bank acount. I had a good look at the parents, the female ( trixie) is a normal coastal. and the male (thunderworm) is a pretty good lookin jag. they don't show recent pics of the male though... only as a yearling. go check them out if you will and tell me what you think. and if you have any breeding plans with that striped...or ever have any striped for sale... im definitely interested.

awesome snakes :)

are you getting it from yasser (spitfire)? he's a top notch guy.. been around forever. and that was a great pairing, so you will for sure be happy with him! he's got some great prices on those too.

the stripe pictured may be ready to breed this year... if he's willing, he will be paired with my red phase female to make some red stripes. if not, i have some even better plans for him in 2010. :)

no . its not from yasser. its posted by a guy named erin on kingsnake. she looks like the male ( thunderworm). I would send you a link but im on my phone and they arnt fancy enough to post pics yet. I can't wait to start my own breeding projects.. I've got a while though... speaking of, what's the proper weight a male and female should be at to breed? if you get striped red phase that would be awesome. best of luck with that. and keep us posted when it happens

it can really vary from animal to animal... the general rule for me is the males will be 2-3 years old and the females will be 3-4 years old when first bred. here are some basic guidelines that i was given when i was just starting to get my mind set on breeding.
this is courtesy of Ben at Australian Addiction.
IJs
males >800g
females >1000g

Jungles and Coastals

males >1300g
females >2000g

So how do you produce, jags, jag siblings ect....

its depressing to think that i have to wait two years to breed mine:(
I'll probably have quite a collection by then though, so when that time comes it will be a lot of fun:D

it's very rewarding, actually, to raise a snake (or snakes) up from a neonate and breed them. the year will go by fast, plus you'll have an awesome color development to watch!

clear, the jaguar morph is a co-dom trait. in theory, you get 50% jags and 50% sibs when you breed a jag to a normal. or, if you do a jag x jag, you get 50% jags, 25% normal sibs, and 25% supers... the super form is the leucistic, but it's a lethal gene so all the eggs are either non-viable or they die full term.

So I have 2 jag siblings, and want to get a red coastal. What would the 2 jag siblings.

well, generally speaking, jag sibs are nothing but coastal carpets... so you will get coastal carpets with that pairing.
HOWEVER - jag sibs from the hypo jag line (and possibly others) have shown there to be hidden genes... here's a male i have from a hypo jag sib x hypo jag sib (no jag morph involved)... the clutch yielded about a 50/50 mix of normal wild-type animals and some crazy pastel yellow sibs like mine below. so... ya never know. the morph is not magical but it hasn't been around long enough to know for sure whether or not there are other things happening along side the jag morph that may be inherited by the sibs. it's quite controversial actually... but the results speak for themselves.

here's my male from a sib x sib pairing:
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...astal_male.jpg

Do you have any pictures of the parents?

yes, the sire and dam listed on this page...

http://serpentsonline.com/Clutch_Msm2005a.htm