eyes are diffrent size

k heres the story, my roommate bought a subadult spider from lll
about a month ago, fedx dropped it off and first thing we notice is one eye is about half the size of the other the larger looks normal but the smaller one actually looks like its being held in by the scales , they said its probably some stuck shed in his nose or somthin and it should clear up after a shed well it didnt and the guy hasnt eaten either in about a month and roomys gettin nervous and talkin about force feeding (wich im against)
his husbandry is fine temps/humid/secur etc, weve tried pinkies, fuzzys, small rats, mice, all alive or prekilled or F/T
he did one small greeinsh poop and urates sofar and thats about it he seems reallly stressed out and im afraid force feeding is gonna put him off feed indefinantly
so 2 part question wtf is up with the eye thing,has anyone seen this before and if he poops we can assume he,s fed before shipping at least should he force feed
(im still against it) or wait another month or so(i prefer this)
oh and course the snakes name is Igor cause of the eye lol:rofl:

One eye smaller than the other is a genetic defect.
I would DEMAND a FULL refund immediately if this was not disclosed prior to the sale.
Anyone that sells a snake with a small eye without disclosing that it has a genetic flaw is SCUM. Post them on the BOI so everyone know who not to deal with.
A problem like that should have been disclosed (and not tried to be pawned off as a stuck eyecap).
This happens in snakes sometimes (same as snakes with only one eye) and the animal should be kept as a pet, culled, or given to someone to raise with the condition that it NEVER gets bred.

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Originally Posted by rishnack

one small greeinsh poop :

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Green? Have you brought a fecal sample in to a vet for testing?

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Originally Posted by SPJ

Green? Have you brought a fecal sample in to a vet for testing?

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no its not my pet,my roommate prolly wont shell out 20 bucks for a fecal float but who knows
i knew it was genetic! thanx for confirming, they didnt disclose it prior to sale either, but on there behalf they did offer to take it back and he declined (course he thought it was a shed problem at the time also) hes had it to long to return it though, they offer a 3day return but a month? course they might not like gettin flamed on the boards either
so ask before you buy @ http://lllreptile.com/

Bought a sub-adult spider but won't pay to have a fecal done at the vet...

Nice.

*big eye roll*

What is the snake gets an RI from stress and your friend doesn't want to pay for THAT?

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Originally Posted by SatanicIntention

Bought a sub-adult spider but won't pay to have a fecal done at the vet.

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Morphs like Spiders aren't cheap, over here in Uk you are looking at £600+ for a spider hatchling last time i checked. I know BP's are less expensive in US, but it seems strange he will lay out money for a morph, and not a few dollars for a fecal test?????

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Originally Posted by SatanicIntention

Bought a sub-adult spider but won't pay to have a fecal done at the vet...

Nice.

*big eye roll*

What is the snake gets an RI from stress and your friend doesn't want to pay for THAT?

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people are funny huh ,kinda like buyin a car and not payin to change the oil. but once he hears he wont be able to breed him
maybe i,ll get a new spider:D

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Originally Posted by scotty99

Morphs like Spiders aren't cheap, over here in Uk you are looking at £600+ for a spider hatchling last time i checked. I know BP's are less expensive in US, but it seems strange he will lay out money for a morph, and not a few dollars for a fecal test?????

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yeah it was 350 to 400 american for the snake i spent more on a trip to the vet for lilith when i got her than she cost! and she,s just a banded at best, (pet store) but i always take em to the vet least once a year so they can tell me there fat and to lighten there feed sched:banana:

A fecal is definitely in order.
It's not eating and has one eye smaller than the other.
It may have hidden problems as well.
I would be at the vet immediately if I opened the tub and saw a pile of green crap in there. That's not normal.
Out of curiosity, was this spider priced at typical retail or did the seller give a steep discount.
I would think it would be heavily discounted since it can never be used as a breeder.
Your friend needs to get a fecal to the vet asap and whether or not the person likes it, you need to make people aware of someone selling defective spiders without disclosing the information on it.

BTW, a $20 fecal is nothing compared to what it may cost if there is a problem and it gets worse.

Get to the Vet!
as folks have said, for a fecal at least

but also I'd like to recommend you get a solid opinion about what is up with the eye.....posting pictures of the eye would be a good start. you described it a little but until we see a picture we can only guess at whether it's an illness, injury, bade eyecap shed, or genetic defect.

well i talked to him yesterday snake was 500$ holy christ
he emailed lll about the problem and how he beleives he was duped into buying a genetic defect(or rather into keeping it) he,s only been off feed for about 1 month after shipping i dunno if they force fed or not just to recoup there costs maybe? the whole issue has gone south since he got the snake
they didnt have the pic of the snkae up whne he orderd it but i,ll do my best to see he takes it into a vet at least i cant promise anything but hopefully he coughs up the cash i,ll even offer to drive, its to late though for a fecal they might get somthin if they can get a vent wash sample maybe,i,ll keep you posted lll hasnt contacted him back yet (it was a pretty brutal email)

Pretty bad situation all round, hope it can get resolved somehow. What a sh** start to life for this little spider!:(

Is your friend going to keep it? If the seller takes it back I'm pretty sure he will try to unload on to someone else, making a profit Im sure as well!

If he can't offer a sensible solution i would bring the situation to a relevant authority, whether its being miss-sold on the internet, or to an animal welfare group similar to the RSPCA that we have over here in uk for selling unhealthy livestock.

From what I understand the seller is not a breeder. They buy cheap from breeders, up the price, and resell. If this is true about them selling a deformed spider, then it is the breeders fault for selling to them, and their fault for selling to someone else. This is all around a bad situation. I would definatley get pics, and post on the BOI.

The small eye should not cause a problem for the snake at all. I have a Pinstripe female that I hatched last year that has a very tiny eye on one side, and a normal eye on the other. She is a little over 1000 grams now, and happens to be one of the nicest snakes I own.

Lastly, I would like to ask Steve why he is so certain that this problem is a "Genetic" defect? I have hatched out plenty of Pinstripes from my male, and only produced the one female with a small eye. Matter of fact, none of the other pinstripes in the clutch (nor the lemon blasts in the clutch) had a small eye. It may be a deformity, but I would definitely not call it genetic.

Wouldn't you have to prove it out to see if the "small eye" is genetic, just like any other trait? The problem is that it's not ethical or practical to prove out a line of deformed snakes just to see if it's genetic. So we may never know. But then again how did the head wobble on spiders propagate? Someone must have known and just kept breeding and selling them anyway.

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Originally Posted by simplechamp

Wouldn't you have to prove it out to see if the "small eye" is genetic, just like any other trait? The problem is that it's not ethical or practical to prove out a line of deformed snakes just to see if it's genetic. So we may never know. But then again how did the head wobble on spiders propagate? Someone must have known and just kept breeding and selling them anyway.

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If it is genetic or not, it does not change the fact that this person is claiming that he was sold a snake with a deformity, and was not told about it up front. That is wrong in my opinion.

I agree that if the seller knew about the deformity and didn't disclose that information before the sale that is dishonest and wrong.

I was commenting on if the deformity is genetic or not, it didn't have anything to do with whether or not the seller was wrong to do that.

well he is gonna taken it to the vet on fri to make sure and we still havnt got a response from lll , your right they just buy from a breeder and resale them but the shipping box came from there store so there responsible imo either way if it is not genetic then maybe he can still breed it out, he,s emailing me some pic,s atm and i,ll put em up asap
and if anyone knows for sure if it is genetic , heraditary or anything opposite plz lemme know

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Originally Posted by muddoc

The small eye should not cause a problem for the snake at all. I have a Pinstripe female that I hatched last year that has a very tiny eye on one side, and a normal eye on the other. She is a little over 1000 grams now, and happens to be one of the nicest snakes I own.

Lastly, I would like to ask Steve why he is so certain that this problem is a "Genetic" defect? I have hatched out plenty of Pinstripes from my male, and only produced the one female with a small eye. Matter of fact, none of the other pinstripes in the clutch (nor the lemon blasts in the clutch) had a small eye. It may be a deformity, but I would definitely not call it genetic.

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Speaking of which Tim How is Winky doing?

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Speaking of which Tim How is Winky doing?

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Ed, Winky is whom I was speaking of in my post. She is actually close to 1100 grams, and eats like a freight train. Definitely one of the sweetest snakes in the collection. Also, I plan on breeding her this year, as I don't think her deformity is genetic at all. We will see how her offspring do. I am not sure if she will make it to size this year, but maybe. If not, she will definitely breed next year.

I believe that some deformities just happen. These can be anything from minor overbites, small eyye, no eye and bent tail tip. I am not sure what causes them, but they only pop up randomely, or sometimes in an entire clutch. Her condition seemed like a fluke, since no other animal in the clutch, or no other animal from her father has ever had that problem. I guess breeding her is the only way to find out, and you know how much I like my science projects. These"science projects" that people do are so paramount for the future learning of our hobby.

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well heres the pic,s lemme know what you think
third pic is the eye in question
these are also the pic,s sent to lll they said it was stuck shed in the nasal cavity
or RI

Sometimes too what appears to be a genetic issue may not be. Take our male boa Severus for example. When he was born he was deemed defective. He had a permanent crook at the end of his tail, like it was always stuck in the curled position and a visible though slight underbite.

We took him as an adoption for our son Luke as a pet. Fast forward a number of months, Sev is growing like a bad weed and one day....his tail suddenly is flexible. Now I had been giving that area a bit of a massage whenever he was out being handled but not like I think that made any real difference.

Fast forward a few more months and suddenly we notice that the bite issue has resolved itself. His jaws meet perfectly with absolutely no underbite anymore. I don't know how to explain it really. I guess his face just had to grow or something.

well i guess lll decided to exchange the snake after a couple phone calls and emails , but they dont have another spider in stock poor dude got shipped out again so end to the situation all the way around:gj: thnx for your help with this