A little extreme.

Now this would work for a kid that's at least 12 yrs and up. But 8! that's just too much to handle. They could be traumatized for life. tell me what you think. I could be wrong. but that's just my opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnEEO...eature=related

that is way way to much but maybe they are showing us the not so great stuff

:O I cant believe they did that to them! Thats not right

I'm sorry, there was a news story in that video? I could not stop looking at/thinking about Kevin's chin. Holy cow!

I think this is something very good for kids, even at the young age of 8. Between hormones injected into our foods that cause kids to mature faster than any previous generation, the lack of morals surround our kids via tv, radio, just public in general, no lack of respect for oneself combined with lack of respect for authority figures (this includes teachers, parents, etc), and the fact that usually both parents in a household have to work to make ends meet (which leads to lack of supervision) kids think they are tough, know it all and can do as they please. Most kids dont realize that there are consequences to their actions and sad to say, most kids get away with way to much garbage. I think a reality check done safely but openly may help keep most kids out of trouble. And the video even says it.. the best advice came from a peer who was already on the inside. stay in school, get an education, BE BETTER THAN US!!.

Okay, I'll get off my soap box now. :D

no way NO how someone is going talk to, treat, exc my kid that way. I wouldnt sign off on it, if i found out the school took either of my children and that happened to them it would not end pretty. I think its great for children who are showing signs thats the road they are headed down but i think thats way to the extreme.. ive never seen the inside of jail, my mother telling me "find your self in jail find your way out" was enough for me... still to this day i have never as much sat in the back of a cop car much less go to "reality check" Again, if a child is getting into trouble or the parents (individually) think this is something their children need then fine but i dont think it works in every scenario nor do i think its necessary. I think parents need to start making more of an effort to raise their children to be good citizens.. we dont need police officers wasting their time teaching our children what they need to do/know/exc. Come on parents step up, honestly... I think our society as a whole would be much better off if children were raised differently. I think its a major cop-out to blame it on food, tv, exc... its parents not doing their job.

I dont think parents just randomly signed up their kids for this program for no reason, what did they do? They should have told us what these kids did to make their parents enroll them in this program.

They were as young as 8, some were teenagers.

85% success rate, thats pretty good so it seems to be working.

Sounds like a great program.

This isnt a field trip from school people, the parents obviously felt there was a reason to send their kids here. Maybe it was suggested to them by a judge, we need the whole story.

I agree Doris.


Traumatized...by what...fear that they never want to do something that could land them in there!

Good!

Apparently those parents saw something in their kids that they feared could end their child in jail. Better for them to see it now and see how not so glamorous jail REALLY is then to allow them to continue down a long road of self distruction.

And furthermore...Haven't you all ever watched any daytime talk shows? They have been doing this forever.

*also...in my personal experience...I find kids are WAY more receptive around the ages of 8-11 so I think it will definitely stick with these kids for a long time.

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I dont think parents just randomly signed up their kids for this program for no reason, what did they do? They should have told us what these kids did to make their parents enroll them in this program.

They were as young as 8, some were teenagers.

85% success rate, thats pretty good so it seems to be working.

Sounds like a great program.

This isnt a field trip from school people, the parents obviously felt there was a reason to send their kids here. Maybe it was suggested to them by a judge, we need the whole story.

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I agree and that would change everything as far as my opinion goes...

I grew up in a bad area. I've seen 8 year olds having sex. I've seen 8 year olds using drugs. 8 isn't always so innocent. I think the program is a great idea. As Meme said, kids really do seem more receptive at that age and form opinions of the world that stick with them for the rest of their lives. 85% success rate is nothing to scoff at. Maybe more counties need to have this program.

How is that going to traumatize anyone in any undesirable way?

Trauma is associating one thing (an action, place, or thing) with a strongly negative outcome, and the more strongly negative the initial outcome is, the more likely the subject is to avoid that act/place/thing in the future.

If these kids are associating violence and socially unacceptable behavior with getting put in jail, and associating jail with a really unpleasant experience that they never, ever want to live again (without being physically hurt in the process) then that's A-OK with me.

Also, I always hear about people talking about how other people don't do a good job of raising their kids. These kids were submitted voluntarily by their parents, and now people are complaining that this is too harsh. There's no beating involved - just psychological domination in a controlled setting, which is all that's really allowed in the way of parenting anymore.

I swear it's impossible to do the "right thing" in this world. Everyone's got an opinion.

All that is going on here is military style indoctrination training which consists of first breaking them down and then building them back up. It is a relatively successful method for people with follower type personalities, which is most people.

Yep, welcome to real life. What a great program. If I had been in something like that when I was eleven, I might not of ended up where I did a few times. I have had my run ins with the law( when I was younger, I am a good grown-up now and a daddy) and I have spent some time behind bars, I know what it is like. Also having been a good natured kid who just did not know what to do with myself, jail was not fun. If kids want to act like little bad asses, they should be shown how much of a bad ass they need to be if they wanna continue on the same path.

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I grew up in a bad area. I've seen 8 year olds having sex. I've seen 8 year olds using drugs. 8 isn't always so innocent.

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yea...a recent poll showed that more kids are having sex by age 11. 11 y'all!!! That is aweful!

Interestingly enough...most said the first kind of sex they experience is oral...that way they don't 'get pregnant'. :rolleyes:

W..T...F...

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yea...a recent poll showed that more kids are having sex by age 11. 11 y'all!!! That is aweful!

Interestingly enough...most said the first kind of sex they experience is oral...that way they don't 'get pregnant'. :rolleyes:

W..T...F...

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Last year a girl on my daughters baseball team had her first period, 7 years old and 1st grade....there was also an 11 year old pregnant and in the 5th grade :O

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Last year a girl on my daughters baseball team had her first period, 7 years old and 1st grade....there was also an 11 year old pregnant and in the 5th grade :O

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I believe it. When I was in 6th grade I had homeroom with this ghetto fabulous girl who had already had two abortions. :O

When I was in 1st grade I had two girlfriends, but they would just argue who got to rub my back during story time. Kids these days...

If parents WOULD teach their kids, then cops(or school, or teachers, or whoever????) wouldn't have to have programs like this. I'm not saying all parents are poor parents, or that all kids are lousy kids.
But look around you sometime! I see too many kids that think if it's not being watched well enough then it's the owner's fault they stole something! NOT KIDDING. I heard a kid say outright that he grabbed two $20 bills off a counter. His excuse was "Well, the cashier wasn't even looking."
Excuse me?
His mother was informed and she AGREED it was no big deal.
THAT is why I'll say go for it to any programs that might teach kids to behave like a responsible adult. AND why I'll kick the butt of any kid that steals ANYthing from me, no matter HOW small an item. AND I'll call the cops, AND the parents.
I've had kids destroying the front of the shop I work in, and when I go to yell at them to cut it out, the parent will try to tell me not to, becuase THEY are the mom(dad) and I have no right. Every time I told them that if they would step their lazy butt up and DO the parenting, then I wouldn't have to.
Today it's just ridiculous.
*stepping off the soapbox and kicking it in frustration is*
wolfy

I hate to say it. But the world seems to be falling apart. 8 yr old's having promiscuous sex and doing drugs. That makes me want to throw up.

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I hate to say it. But the world seems to be falling apart. 8 yr old's having promiscuous sex and doing drugs. That makes me want to throw up.

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And the last 30 or so generations have been saying the same thing about previous generations. You have to realize our culture historically (and many cultures still today) recognized 9 to 11 years old as reasonable ages to marry off their daughters, usually to considerably older men. The youngest mother in the world was 5 years old, and she gave birth in 1933.

Personally, I don't think anything has changed that much from generation to generation, besides the flow of information. Sex has become a topic we can discuss, quite openly, and so it seems as though the world has come to an end.

No doubt, pre-teens were doing drugs and having sex 50 years ago too... it's just not something that was discussed.

I don't think it is too extreem. I have never been in jail, but was in the service. These guys are trained to look for reactions. They KNOW what they are doing and how far to push. NOTHING they do is random. Kids that are heading for trouble due to poor parenting or getting into the wrong click or what ever need to know real life is not easy. I would much rather they go through a program like this and decide that they never want to be in a jail. Than decide that they are tough little @#@!!. Kids are flooded with programs with people defying the law and comming out smelling like a rose, that it is easy to think nothing bad will ever happen.

I have a 17y.o son. I am happy to say he is a great kid, but when I was raising him I was not a push over. If he did somthing wrong he got corrected. I remember when he was small (about 3y.o) and he started grabbing things off a counter. I asked him to stop, he ignored me. I TOLD him to stop, he ignored me. I told him one more time and he was getting a swat, he still ignored me. SO he got a swat, he cried (it wasn't all that hard). A woman who saw this came up and told me I should be put in jail for child abuse. Come on ONE swat to a padded but???? I looked at her (I wasn't in the best of moods at the time) and told her "ok I won't disiplin him at all and when he wants to come into your house, rob you, rape you and then kill you, hey don't blame me I am not suppose to correct him when he dose something wrong." LOL now that was kinda harsh but good parents put up with a LOT of BS. There are a LOT of people who will tell you how to raise your kids (most never had children). But they are the parents responsibility. If they can't get it through to them then someone needs to before something bad happens to them or they do something to mess up their life in a huge way.


OK OK I am getting off my box,

That is right here down the road from me. And I will tell you its not too harsh for some of the kids running around here in OK.

I keep a very tight leash on my boys, at work however there are some kids running around that age that need that to wake them the heck up! Kids in the now are very rude and very grown up by the age of 10. Carrying guns, knives, robbing peoples homes, doing and or selling drugs. Its all sad really, but what do you expect from them when the parents are just not paying attention. Not all of them are like that here, but that news story was a good wake up call for a lot of kids in the OKC area that thought they could live a life of crime cuz they are minors.

I agree it's a little extreme, but that's not a bad thing. At 9 I was doing drugs and running with older kids, stealing, breaking into cars, and doing much more that I don't like to talk about. Luckily things went down that caused me to turn from that path, but if not, I'm sure something like this might have helped. Obviously I don't think it's for everyone. But if your child is starting to head down that road, I see absolutely nothing wrong with this. I'd rather my child have a few nightmares and be "traumatized" for a bit, then go out and rob a store and end up IN jail.

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And the last 30 or so generations have been saying the same thing about previous generations. You have to realize our culture historically (and many cultures still today) recognized 9 to 11 years old as reasonable ages to marry off their daughters, usually to considerably older men. The youngest mother in the world was 5 years old, and she gave birth in 1933.

Personally, I don't think anything has changed that much from generation to generation, besides the flow of information. Sex has become a topic we can discuss, quite openly, and so it seems as though the world has come to an end.

No doubt, pre-teens were doing drugs and having sex 50 years ago too... it's just not something that was discussed.

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While I don't disagree with your statements, I don't completely agree, and I think this is kind of a cop out. While kids have always got into trouble, society and technology are constantly changing in a way that seems to be making it worse, when we're supposed to be advancing and "maturing" as a society.

In past generations, parents were allowed to, and expected to discipline their children, and now if you do that it's abuse. Old school hardcore gang bangers used to beat each other with bicycle chains and car antenas, but now gangs are getting younger and using AK-47s, Glocks and Uzis. In the '60s we had a hippy revolution that put recent, previous generations to shame with drug use, random sex and general chaos. Now this generation makes the the hippies look like care bears, with our violence, crystal meth and crack epidemics, teen pregnancies, HIV and STD epidemics, etc. I don't think any generation has been perfect, but to say nothing is changing, and that there's no need to worry about it is a misinformed cop out.

Pffft! There is nothing harder than Texas high school football for a kid..nothing. That stuff is a walk in the park compared to what we do on a daily basis. There are no sissys in our football team, and the ones that cant handle it quit after the first morning practice..


We haven't had very many pregnancys at our school in many years...very surprising.

I have to agree with you there. That is quit extreme for an 8 year old.

well to each their own opinion. If that's how a parent wants to raise their child, more power to them.