What happened here?

This year we bred our Cinnamon male to a Hypo female in hopes of producing a male Cinnamon Het Hypo, becasue I always thought the Hypo Cinnys were so cool looking, and would make for some awsome projects in the future. I started candling these eggs at day 40. Around day 45 I marked the eggs, with three of them being Cinnys and one being normal. This really got me excited about the clutch. One of the cinnys, I circled the "C" on the egg, because I knew for sure that it was a Cinny. So I knew I had at least one. Well, day 51 rolled around, and I couldn't take it any longer, sio I cut them.

The first egg I cut was marked "N", meaning normal. Sure enough, a Het Hypo in that egg. The next egg was marked as a Cinny, but not the special one. I cut it, and saw, WHAT, a Hypo in the egg. What just happened? The next egg I cut was marked Cinny, and after cutting, observed a nice looking Cinny in the egg. The last egg was the circled"C", which I knew for sure was a Cinny based on the blushing and pattern that I saw in the egg during candling. Low and Behold, that egg really contained a Hypo Cinnamon. Boy was I lucky. I was able to skip a complete generation on that project.

p.s. I am typing this on generator power, because when I tried to post earlier, we lost power from Hurricane Gustav. As a result of this clutch hatching when it did, we have since named the Hypo Cinnamon - Gustav.

Gustav ended up being a male, as did the Het Hypo and the Cinny Het. The Hypo is a female, which is nice, because she looks very different than any Butterscotches I have ever producd (the Hypo mom is a Butterscotch Hypo). Meet Gustav and his clutchmates.

The Clutch
http://www.baileyreptiles.com/pics/gustavclutch.jpg

Gustav showing off for the camera.
http://www.baileyreptiles.com/pics/gustav.jpg

Thanks for looking, and allowing me to share our excitement,

So your Cinnamon male that sired this clutch was actually a Cinnamon Het Hypo......nice!!! Gustav is gorgeous and will now make the list of things I must one day produce myself LOL.

Hope you, Monica and the kids stay safe and dry. Hugs to all of you.

Oh WOW! He's a fat little sausage too!

Just a guess, maybe your male is het hypo? Either way congrats.:gj:

Wow Tim, lucky things like that are always a great surprise!

Good luck with that storm, I hope you get through it safely and dry. I wish you the best.

Edit: Quick question on genetics. With the Hypo and Cinny gene, why do you have to have a het Hypo Cinny to make a Hypo Cinny? Why is it that the morphs don't affect each other directly through a Hypo x Cinny cross? (normally :P)

Thanks for all of the compliments and well wishes. So, far we have only lost power, but not cable yet.

Dave, yes, my original Cinnamon is obviously a Het Hypo, but we just learned that the lucky way.

Tim theres something wrong with that hypo.. I wouldn't mind if you just baged it up and sent it my say. .:D

LUCKY DOG!!!!

WOW - That's hot brother...Y'all stay safe down there...

Congrats Tim! That's awesome. Way to prove out the het hypo cinny and skip ahead with this project.

Best of luck with the storm, prayers are with you. Where did you get the cinny? There should have been some indication it was het hypo, unless a cinny was bred to a het hypo, thinking it was a normal, and it was off of that. Breeder may not have know mom was het hypo. That would produce 50%PH's. Your cinny proved out!! Wish I could get that lucky.

Thanks Ed, BT and Jake. If it weren't for the wind and rain, I would walk out to the room and go look at him for the 100th time. I guess I'll have to leave him alone until the storm passes.

Nope, your cinny male wasn't a het hypo.... there is just something wrong with that Gustave guy.... send it here and I'll see what I can do to figure it out.... :gj:



Being that your probably not buying that, I'll add CONGRATS! :)

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Originally Posted by FatBoy

Best of luck with the storm, prayers are with you. Where did you get the cinny? There should have been some indication it was het hypo, unless a cinny was bred to a het hypo, thinking it was a normal, and it was off of that. Breeder may not have know mom was het hypo. That would produce 50%PH's. Your cinny proved out!! Wish I could get that lucky.

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FatBoy. Thanks. I got my original from Sean at EbN. I already talked to Sean, and he even had to come look at the clutch while they were still in the egg, because he couldn't believe it. Mom was a Captive hatch, and Sean's original male came from BHB. So, either mom was a Het, or Brian sold Sean a Cinny Poss Het. Either way, I am stoked. It also makes all of the Cinny's that I have ever produced, poss Het Hypo. And, I have plenty of them produced this year.

I love surprise hets! Congratulations!

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Originally Posted by Sputnik

Nope, your cinny male wasn't a het hypo.... there is just something wrong with that Gustave guy.... send it here and I'll see what I can do to figure it out.... :gj:



Being that your probably not buying that, I'll add CONGRATS! :)

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Thanks Scott. For a minute, I debated sending him to you, so that you could breed him out and let me know what went wrong. LOL.

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I love surprise hets! Congratulations!

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Thanks Jeff. This is the first surprise that we have had, but I'm not complaining.

So Tim...What are your cinny males going for? Did this cinny produce all your clutches this year. If so I want a couple!!

What beautiful babies, Tim! And what a blessing to have unwittingly proved out the cinny! I'm completely thrilled for your fantastic luck!

Very nice!

Stay safe down that way. I was gonna email you about making a purchase...lol....forgot about the fun weather your having....rofl

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Originally Posted by FatBoy

So Tim...What are your cinny males going for? Did this cinny produce all your clutches this year. If so I want a couple!!

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I won't talk sales on a thread, but my site does have a couple up already. My original male did produce all of our Cinnys this year. I can say that we hatched many males, but only one female, and she is in a dispute between 2 good customers. So, we won't have any females for sale this year.

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What beautiful babies, Tim! And what a blessing to have unwittingly proved out the cinny! I'm completely thrilled for your fantastic luck!

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Thanks Judy. We are stoked to say the least.

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Very nice!

Stay safe down that way. I was gonna email you about making a purchase...lol....forgot about the fun weather your having....rofl

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Thanks for the safe wishes Richard. As long as we have internet, we can still get e-mails. We have plenty of gas, so the generator will stay kicking for quite a while.

Congratulations Tim! They are all beautiful! Congratulations! I'm so excited for you!

Wow! that is a beatiful little snake

Lots of surprises this year couldn't have happened to a better guy. He's nice Bro

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Thanks Scott. For a minute, I debated sending him to you, so that you could breed him out and let me know what went wrong. LOL.

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Well hey, if you change your mind.... LOL

Congrats Tim, that is an awesome outcome!

Be safe brother!

congrats on the clutch and we wish you well here from Oklahoma. take care of yourselves.

Congratz , take it as your lucky day. Dont happen to often:fest:

Awesome luck!

grat job tim! cant wait to see what combos you make with him in the future!!!!

best of luck-justin

ps a hypo super cinny might be kick ass:gj:

One of my favorites! Lucky dog! :bow:

Tim be safe and keep us updated....See you in tinley
Kevin Stoltz

Wow! Just wow! That's awesome! Huge congrats! They're all lookers but Gustav... Man! Hottness!

On a side note- What's with all these accidental recessives hatched lately? Breeders not marking hets/ poss hets? Or not realizing that they are hets?

Damn Money!!!!!

Thats an awesome jump forward in time.

Wow, thats awesome! Congrats! Dont ya just love genetic surprises :D

Congrats Tim and Monica!:gj:

That Hypo Cinnie looks smoking hot!:D
They all look so sweet!

All I'm going to say is Hypo cinny mojo :)

Huge congrates tim stay safe

Wow Tim, nice surprise there for sure, glad to see you got your Hypo Cinny 2 years early! Congratulations!

Gustav is smoking! What fantastic luck you had there! I've got all my fingers and toes crossed that the cinny male I got from you last year proves out too! Woohooo--I love surprises! :D

Awesome outcome man! Great to see the luck come to your place.. :)

Justin

VERY COOL!!!!! congrats you are one lucky man. great looking animal :O:O:O:D:D:D:gj::gj::gj::partyon::partyon::headbang::eyepoppin:eyepoppin:eyepopp in:eyepoppin:eyepoppin

Damn, Tim is so good...

What a great surprise. Look luck with little Gustave and be safe!

Very awesome Tim! He's smoking hot! Congrats on the good luck streak despite the crappy weather.

Missed this thread before...But Super cool!

Congrats on the clutch, they all look amazing. Don't forget to Update ;)

NICE!!!! I'm so glad your candling skills were off on this one! :P Congrats on that awesome outcome!

Thanks for all of the compliments everyone. We made it through the storm just fine, and got power back last night. I still don't have any internet, but I am able to borrow some from Sean. So, we'll still be sparse around the internet for a while, but we are ok.

Gustav is doing fine, and we'll post some more pics of him once he sheds.

Neil,
I thought of that already, and will probably breed the Hypo Mojave to one of my Cinny's daughters this year. So, with a little luck, we might get a Hypo Mojave Cinny.

Thanks again everyone, and thanks for the prayers.

That's a nice lookin' cluth there! But then again, your cinny's and hypo's are always HAWT! Hope you and your family (critters included) stay safe during the storms.

Peace, Love, and Respect
~Kasi

Tim that lil guy is a smoker!
Glad you and Monica are OK and big congrats on the surprise hypos, I hope I get some of that luck with my hypo projects;)

Laurie saw Monicas froggies and now she is hell bent on getting some, I might be picking your brain for some info:)