Excellent surprise

An unexpected result from a "Het-Clown" / "normal" pairing has me very happy. The Dad is a het-clown from J&J Reptile, and mom was part of a low-priced group purchase of neglected normals from someone who'd found breeding more difficult and less profitable than he had expected.

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Thats the coolest looking clown ever!:D

Wow, congrats! A lot of this stuff happening this season!

NICE!
Congrats on that really sweet surprise!

Looks like things are starting to catch up from the wholesale market, Lots of surprise hets and such!

Dang, like Jamie said, a TON of cool stuff happening this season! Congrats! :gj:

Thanks everyone! I had very bad luck with my spider clutches in the past month, and this surprise really makes up for it. I love this hobby.

Awesome luck Jeff!!!

Wow couldn't ask for a better surprise! :cool:

Uh oh! Albino clowns a comin! :D

Congrats Jeff! That's a suprise any of us would just love! As Jamie said it's been a crazy year with a lot of these surprise genetic hatchlings being hatched out.

That is a weird looking poss het clown!!!
Big congrats!!

Can't wait to see some albino clowns!

Defiantly keep us posted on the project.

Thats really cool, congrats!!! :gj:

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Uh oh! Albino clowns a comin! :D

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That's exactly what I was thinking!

Apparently BPs are getting to be like cornsnakes... lots of unexpected hets showing up. What fun!

Jeff, congrats on that unexpected little beauty!

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Originally Posted by jnjreptiles

That is a weird looking poss het clown!!!
Big congrats!!

Can't wait to see some albino clowns!

Defiantly keep us posted on the project.

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it was breed in 2005
so take a klick and say ahhhhhhhhh.., ohhhhhhh
and make :rolleye2:

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Uh oh! Albino clowns a comin! :D

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Or no clown at all, perhaps it was sold as a het clown and it was actually het albino.

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Originally Posted by FIREball

Or no clown at all, perhaps it was sold as a het clown and it was actually het albino.

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Thats what Im thinkin.


JnJ your thoughts?

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Originally Posted by FIREball

Or no clown at all, perhaps it was sold as a het clown and it was actually het albino.

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Thats what I was thinking, either it is a double het albino clown, or was a het albino sold as a het clown.

Talk about luck jeff! Looks like the bp gods are making up for your spider clutch.

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

Thats what Im thinkin.


JnJ your thoughts?

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He was produced by a VERY large breeder that we get 99.9% of our hets from, so I am positive it is het clown.

What I believe happened is this animal was sold in a large group of hets to my supplier from the large breeder, that large breeder has albino clowns in his collection.

My thoughts on this :

When this animal was hatched is was from a clown het albino or poss. het albino x ?? .

Since poss het males are not worth any xtra it was sold as a het clown, which also would make since as it would be a way for a the breeder to protect his project. If he sells it as a het clown then why would anyone breed a $100 male to a albino or het albino female? The snake made him some money, and at the same time no one would ever know of the bonus gene unless a freak incident like this happen where a "normal female" was a het and the male proved to be 100% albino also.

I know of at least 1 other large breeder who sells his hets, poss hets, and double het males as normals and single gene hets to protect his projects. If you don't know your het albino is het ghost too, then you would never have any reason to breed it to a ghost female.... the project is protected and the breeder gets to sell their hets without fear of competition.

Its a common part of big breeder dealings, and when a case like this happens everyone gets an interest in hets again, kind of like when a c.h pied, or other morph shows up...its bred in Africa by Noah but sold as c.h so it goes for more $$....


Jeff killer clutch glad you got it

Well I have a albino het male I bought from J&J 2 years ago, Im going to breed him In spring, maybe I should get a clown het to breed with him lol!

Man I hope I have this kind of luck with [known het] snakes. :D

no way!!! Congrats!!! That is awesome

Great bit of luck! Congrats!!

I am of the mind that a lot of Breeders also sold the earlier animals before the genetics were fully understood as Normals.

I bet you had to blink a few times, like " Am I really seeing this " lol.

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Originally Posted by LAWReptiles

I bet you had to blink a few times, like " Am I really seeing this " lol.

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Correct. I just couldn't believe there was an albino at the bottom of the pile of hatchlings. I expect some albinos this time next year, but expected only codoms and het-recessives this year. I'm still grinning.

What a great surprise!

Awesome! What a fun random surprise :)

Nice Congrats :gj:

Amazing!!! Congrats

How awesome! Congrats! I've heard of breeders selling hets as normals to protect their projects. What a great surprise that would be...I have 4 normals girls...keeping my fingers crossed. Maybe I need to get me some male hets for anything...

Wow- thats awesome!!! Congrats!!

Wow, that is amazing! Kinda reminds me of cornsnakes where everything has all those hidden hets and multi hets and you get those freakin rainbow clutches out of nowhere when the right snakes get together. Congrats! :gj:

Oh my goodness! What a pleasant surprize!!!!

CONGRATS!!!

Thanks again, everyone!

That is awsome, CONGRATS!
Did you make sure to go buy a lotto ticket the day that hatched.