what on earth is this?!

Well, it is day 55 for this egg (clutch of 4, spider x reduced female.) WHY is it so LIGHT compared to the Spiders we hatched out last week!? Check it out..

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s...cres/WHAT1.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s...es/WHATTTT.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s...rmalspider.jpg

looks like your reduced passed off some of its pattern onto a spider and not sure about the lightness

It looks like a KEEPER!:D

Are you sure your reduced girl isn't a dark pastel?

yes very very bee like

Could be that the color pigment hasn't fully developed yet.... which gives super light appearances in babies that have yet to fully develop their color before emerging from the egg...

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Could be that the color pigment hasn't fully developed yet.... which gives super light appearances in babies that have yet to fully develop their color before emerging from the egg...

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I was thinking the same thing. A lot of cutters will find their babies color up a bit more in the first week after they come out.

We'll see what happens. Mom is a relatively normal-hued reduced girl; nothing Pastelish at all :)
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s...weirdHEADF.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s...cres/head2.jpg

SWEEEET! I know that they can vary in colors quite a bit... At any rate, that's a HOTTIE! Please keep us updated on that little QT!

Well from what we can see, mom is a pastel, she's gotta be. Post pics of the parents please.

well here is dad; he is a 2004 spider bred by Jon Courtney
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/SOCOOCOC.jpg

And mom; a reduced (actually more spotless, as I tend to think of longer areas of pattern as Reduced, and hers are still alien-head shaped.) She was cbb by Alex Hue, 2003. She could be a Pastel sibling but I am not sure; he had advertised that his normals were morph siblings. There is no way that she is a Pastel! She did have a clutch of 4 eggs last year (1 pastel, 1 normal.) No connection IMO.
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s...belaialegg.jpg

Well you're right she does look on the normal side. Did the odd ball make it out of the egg yet? Once it does post some pics! As for your normal female hold on to her and if the odd one turns out to be a male breed him back to her, bet you'll be very pleased with your results.

This is very interesting. Could this be the trick of light color turning darker in a few weeks. Anyway you have a nice clutch, and it will be a great dinker project.

I'm wondering if the mom is genetic reduced could it be allowing the higher white sides most spiders have to travel further up on the offspring? :weirdface

WAY OFF BASE HERE! BUT...what if it could be possible for her to retain sperm from the pastel breeding last year and the pastel and spider sperm both fertilized the same egg this year resulting in a bee????? I know everyone says that is not possible, BUT WHAT IF?? If this turns out to be a bumblebee something has to have happened!! Mom is definately not pastel.

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WAY OFF BASE HERE! BUT...what if it could be possible for her to retain sperm from the pastel breeding last year and the pastel and spider sperm both fertilized the same egg this year resulting in a bee????? I know everyone says that is not possible, BUT WHAT IF?? If this turns out to be a bumblebee something has to have happened!! Mom is definately not pastel.

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I dont think thats possible considering the fact that to fertilize an egg and create "life" you need 2 sets of genes to come together to form one.

A third wouldnt fit into the equation.

hmmmmm somethings going on. keep us updated.

The little booger hasn't come out yet :) I can still see some yolk attached inside so now it is just a waiting game. No color changes overnight.. but I am still being realistic about it and if it does darken up, that is fine too.. I will post pics once it comes out of that egg :)
The other three snakes in the clutch look typical for what I have experienced. 2 normals that look, well, normal, and one Spider with similar brown tones to the ones I hatched out earlier.

But it doesn't look like a hatchling bee?:confused:

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I dont think thats possible considering the fact that to fertilize an egg and create "life" you need 2 sets of genes to come together to form one.

A third wouldnt fit into the equation.

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There can be multi sire clutches, there are posts of people with three different morphs coming out of one clutch... It isnt 3 genes mixing together in one egg, its a different set of genes to different eggs.

It is strange. I did not breed Bela to any other males this year, save for the Spider. I see what you mean about the genes not being able to combine in one baby from two seperate fathers though.
I do not think that this baby is a bee. It looks if anything, like a very light spider with a really reduced pattern. No darkening up yet since yesterday, but who's to say it won't happen.. I am waiting it out. At any rate it will be an awesomely patterned Spider if nothing else :)

It would be even cooler if it was super high white sided, I looooove high white sides!

But on the other hand, I know you wouldnt want all that Jen, but I'll take him for ya and give him a good home. :D

Looks like a very nice light spider!!! Congrats!!!

lol!
Here is a pic of the whole clutch right now. Regular looking Spider in top left, and the other two are normals. i am thinking that this is a fluke and he/she will darken up.. I have no reason based on what I bred, to expect anything earth shattering :)

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s.../lalalalal.jpg

Jen,

That animal will just be a high white sided animal :) At least half way...

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Jen,

That animal will just be a high white sided animal :) At least half way...

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And in that case, you better keep it or sell it to stangs! I want to see that highwhiteness grow!:O

Remember that pink tends to grow out into white. :D

So yeah!

very nice spider! definitely a keeper!

Nice looking spider. Just going to throw this out there. But you said that the guy you bought her from. Most of his normals were sibs from co-dom or dom right. Maybe she is a spider sib and because of that. Maybe she has better than normal looking spiders babies. Next time you breed her I would put her with another spider and see if you get another killer looking spider. Again Im no genetics expert or really have any clue as to why the one looks like it does. Would you be able to find out if she (the mother) is a sib from a spider clutch? Anyways great looking spider.

Very nice looking spider!:gj:

@ GINEVIVE:

what was the breedingpartner last year to the female?
Is it possible a Bee with "pastellsperms" from the last year breedingsession?

sorry, but my german is better

Oh wow!!! CONGRATS!!! PLEASE keep us updated!

Well the light one is out!

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s.../wowspider.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s...ightspidey.jpg

That thing is gorgeous! I can't wait to see it at a few hundered grams and some sheds!:D

There is only one way I could describe the lil beauty....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3geoXOdnJQ






oh yea :cool:

Cool! That looks rather like a Mojave x Spider which looks sort like a bumble bee without the bright yellow. I hope that it stays light for you!

WOW...She looks fantastic. I hope she doesn't end up darkening with age.

Very nice looking! :gj:

That's a beautiful animal, whatever it is! Be sure to keep us updated!

wow Jen its gorgeous.

Very beautiful!

Hi,

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There is only one way I could describe the lil beauty....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3geoXOdnJQ

oh yea :cool:

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**boogies on down like an epileptic octogenarian**

Very cute snake. :bow: :bow: :bow:


dr del

lol @ the video; thanks for everyone that commented too. Here he/she is today; a normal from the clutch finally came out. The other Spider is still stalling but I will compare them once it gets out.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s.../lenwnorm2.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s...enorewNORM.jpg

You must post pics in a few weeks. BTW, what does she weigh?

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You must post pics in a few weeks. BTW, what does she weigh?

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66 grams.

Congrats Jen :gj:

Well... every morph popped out by itself.
Why can't this abnormality do the same?

Thanks Joe!
Venom, I am hoping that this snake stays light! If it does, male or female, I definately plan on holding it back to try to prove it out. If it darkens and looks like a normal-colored Spider, then at least I have an attractive Spider. But definately, if it stays this light, I sure will try to prove out my own morph :)
I am wondering how long it should take to darken? (wondering this of those that said it would darken, who have more Spidey breeding experience than me and might have seen this before.)

Would it be possible both parents are het hypos... Seems like we are seeing more Albinos pop up out of no where. Maybe this is what happend with this beautiful spider.

Wow! Shes beautiful!! *HOLDBACK*, is what shes screaming, it seems. lol.