Pied Clooooown!?!?!?!?!?!

http://ballpython.com/page.php?topic...sult_Set=0#116

look at the picture on TSK news it is deffo a pied and its head looks clown to me it isnt confirmed yet, but i do know they have a pair of het clown poss het pied pair that should of hatched yesterday!

it looks smoking hot and i cant wait for the pictures when it is finally out of its shell!

EDIT: this would be the 4th new pied combo this season

pumpkin pied
axanthic pied
champagne pied
clown pied

anymore to add to the list of 2008 pied combo's?

whoa that's certainly what that looks like....

the odds of hitting the pied clown with a pair of het clown poss het pieds is like winning the lottery especially in 5 eggs!

my curser told me "piedclown" :O :rolleye2: :bow:

mine too i only just realised, i knew it had clown in it by its head, but i think the pattern from what i can see looks fairly normal pied id love it to be the clown pattern as i think it looks killer! im already dreaming on a super pastel pied clown!

Where are the pics of the Champagne Pied. I must have missed those.

Also, I am not convinced yet that it is a Pied Clown, but if it is, I am a little dissapointed, as I was hoping for something a little better looking.

Congrats to The Snake Keepers!
Looks awesome, I can't wait to see more of it when it's out of the egg!

Clowns ROCK!:gj:

double post

i believe this is the champagne pied

http://newenglandreptile.com/forumpics/hmmm1.jpg

Wow:O another HOT looking snake.
Who did this one?

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Originally Posted by dragondavy

Wow:O another HOT looking snake.
Who did this one?

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i believe NERD, but im not gonna give the credit to anybody untill i know for sure, can anybody confirm or deny this?

just looked at the nerd site, it is made by NERD, but they are keeping theyre mouths shut on what it actually is, apparently it is not a champagne pied, so i dont know!

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Originally Posted by muddoc

I am a little dissapointed, as I was hoping for something a little better looking.

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+1

I'll have to see it fully out of the egg. But I was hoping for more of a clown pattern broken up by the pied white.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have one, but it's not what I was hoping for.

The clown combo I really want to see is the caramel clown! I think that could be an amazing snake.

I think if it's a clownXPied and has a clown hood and some pied and clown patches it will look awesome, but thats IMO!

All we can do now is wait to TSK post pic's of it out of the egg!

that snake from nerd looks a little stripey to me... LOL

Well, what can you expect from a pied crossing? If you were hoping for the pattern to be like a clown then you should have known better( yeah I said it!) We all know the Pied messes with Pattern and at the most the mix might be a little different, but mainly color would change from a clownxpied. The head rocks though, so im happy!

Edit: The pied Champange is awesome! 1st champange anything that ive liked!

i think its gotta be a ---- x champagne x pied, it is deffo pied and i think it is almost guaranteed to be a champagne, just gotta find the other ingredient me thinks

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Originally Posted by nelson77321

i believe this is the champagne pied

http://newenglandreptile.com/forumpics/hmmm1.jpg

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It looks to be a paradox BlackEL

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Originally Posted by stangs13

It looks to be a paradox BlackEL

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i have to disagree, the lines seperating the white form yellow are far to similar to what the pied gene does, i think a paradox is random patches and they seem to fade in to the pattern, that is very clearly defined.

if anybody gets what i mean lol

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Originally Posted by nelson77321

i have to disagree, the lines seperating the white form yellow are far to similar to what the pied gene does, i think a paradox is random patches and they seem to fade in to the pattern, that is very clearly defined.

if anybody gets what i mean lol

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Where is Kara when you need her? LOL. I am not convinced that it is champagne. From the colors of other paradox BLACKELS they are identical! It is also very light compaired to a normal champagne.

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Originally Posted by stangs13

Where is Kara when you need her? LOL. I am not convinced that it is champagne. From the colors of other paradox BLACKELS they are identical! It is also very light compaired to a normal champagne.

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I have to agree with him that there is no super Blel in it. Remember, the pied messes with colors and such! Ive never seen a Paradox Bel with so much color on it, but the eyes do look like one. Heck, if this is from nerd, it could very well be a Black eyed lucy Champange pied!

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Originally Posted by stangs13

Where is Kara when you need her? LOL. I am not convinced that it is champagne. From the colors of other paradox BLACKELS they are identical! It is also very light compaired to a normal champagne.

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have you seen the champagne combo's? when combined theyre pattern and colour seems to dissappear? nobody knows for sure except kevin and kara, so we will just have to wait till they tell us lol, even if it isnt champagne, i am 100% sure it is pied.

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

I have to agree with him that there is no super Blel in it. Remember, the pied messes with colors and such! Ive never seen a Paradox Bel with so much color on it, but the eyes do look like one. Heck, if this is from nerd, it could very well be a Black eyed lucy Champange pied!

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ive just had a thought, could it be a champagne fire pied? hmmm thats got me thinking.

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Originally Posted by nelson77321

have you seen the champagne combo's? when combined theyre pattern and colour seems to dissappear? nobody knows for sure except kevin and kara, so we will just have to wait till they tell us lol, even if it isnt champagne, i am 100% sure it is pied.

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I have seen the champagne combos. But pieds don't lighten color like that to much. I'm not even convinced it is pied either.

TSK posted a thread over on KS... http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1578287,1578287

The pic is named Pied Clown.

It absolutely looks like a pied clown to me! WOW

Justin

I hope it's not high white.... great looking animal.

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Originally Posted by jkobylka

It absolutely looks like a pied clown to me! WOW

Justin

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I second that, and personally I am diggin it either way, I would like to see more of the clown coloration broken up by the white in a few spots, but with Pieds there is so many variations, but still awesome in my opinion!

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Originally Posted by nelson77321

EDIT: this would be the 4th new pied combo this season

pumpkin pied
axanthic pied
champagne pied
clown pied

anymore to add to the list of 2008 pied combo's?

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You forgot the Pinto pied. This is like the year of the pieds or something.

I thought BHB stated on the latest reptile radio he has created pinstriped pieds. Im not positive though, cany anyone help confirm or deny this ?

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Originally Posted by Envied Reptiles

I thought BHB stated on the latest reptile radio he has created pinstriped pieds. Im not positive though, cany anyone help confirm or deny this ?

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Yes, on the latest Reptile Radio BHB said he got a pied pinstripe and that the pin pattern is pretty much intact and has the typical pied white.

It made me wonder if a pastel pin pied would look more like a lemon blast pied instead of the weird pattern the pastel pieds tend to have.

hhmmm.. I think I'm a bit disappointed and thats a first cause I love anything pied, but I wont know for sure until its entirely out of the egg. the head pattern is neat, it would be neat if it had more of a clown pattern on the body. still beautiful in its own way and I wouldn't turn it down if somebody offered it to me for free :D.

'nother shot

http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1578986,1578986

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Originally Posted by Ladydragon

hhmmm.. I think I'm a bit disappointed and thats a first cause I love anything pied, but I wont know for sure until its entirely out of the egg. the head pattern is neat, it would be neat if it had more of a clown pattern on the body. still beautiful in its own way and I wouldn't turn it down if somebody offered it to me for free :D.

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It wont, the pied messes with pattern.

just awesome.

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Originally Posted by Ladydragon

hhmmm.. I think I'm a bit disappointed and thats a first cause I love anything pied, but I wont know for sure until its entirely out of the egg. the head pattern is neat, it would be neat if it had more of a clown pattern on the body. still beautiful in its own way and I wouldn't turn it down if somebody offered it to me for free :D.

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I agree. I love pieds. They are my favorite morph and have been since day one. I think with a trait like the clown though, you are only going to see traces of the clown gene on low white pieds. Even then, the pied gene will probably wash away all but the clown head. Any way, big congrats to the Sutherlands for their visionary efforts.

Brandon Osborne

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Originally Posted by nelson77321

the odds of hitting the pied clown with a pair of het clown poss het pieds is like winning the lottery especially in 5 eggs!

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Where are you finding information on the clutch? I can't remember if anyone ever confirmed that pied X clown produced normal looking double hets.

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

Where are you finding information on the clutch? I can't remember if anyone ever confirmed that pied X clown produced normal looking double hets.

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het clown poss het pied
het clown poss het pied

I'll wait to see it out of the egg but so far its alright lookin. Can't wait to see the pin pied.

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Originally Posted by nelson77321

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het clown poss het pied
het clown poss het pied

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Are those animal ID's that I can look up somewhere on the TSK website?

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

Are those animal ID's that I can look up somewhere on the TSK website?

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go to "whats hatching" scrowl down to the pied clown clutch and then at the left chose "more info" its on their.

He's out!

http://www.ballpython.com/newsphotos/piedclown3_lg.jpg

well looks like ill be doing the anzatic pied instead the pied marbling washed out the clowns body marking

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Originally Posted by MATTI

He's out!

http://www.ballpython.com/newsphotos/piedclown3_lg.jpg

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i want! it was everythin i hoped it would be, i think a low white would look even better! :D

I had never noticed their "what's hatching" site before. So it sounds like they bred a clown to a female that they later found out was a het pied to produce the double het parents of this baby. Wish they had pics of the parents up to see how normal they are or not but this baby does seem to prove that piebald and clown are not alleles but rather different mutations of different genes as generally expected. Years and years ago someone named Matt Turner produced a pied from breeding a male purchased as a het clown to a presumed normal so that had me wondering if there was a relationship there.

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Originally Posted by MATTI

He's out!

http://www.ballpython.com/newsphotos/piedclown3_lg.jpg

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I like it!

now cross that with a banana or pastel.:D

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Originally Posted by MATTI

He's out!

http://www.ballpython.com/newsphotos/piedclown3_lg.jpg

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Maybe not as dramatic a cross as we'd hope for, but I think it looks pretty hot! The clown pattern does have some influence over the pied pattern (the part you can see) and I love that it keeps the pied look, as opposed to the spider pieds that leave you with essentially a solid white snake.

I think its awesome. Just enough of the clown pattern is in tact to distinguish it as a clown pied. Awesome! :D

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Originally Posted by MATTI

He's out!

http://www.ballpython.com/newsphotos/piedclown3_lg.jpg

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WOW! I love that one!

I like axanthic pied better. JMO

That looks much better out of the egg to me!