4 different kind of morphs

At first my Bell Ghost male (i´m planning to get me a Butter het. Ghost female to produce those lovely Butter Ghosts)
http://www.reptielen-forum.nl/forums..._348_99750.jpg

Leopard Pastel female
http://www.reptielen-forum.nl/forums..._348_84065.jpg

Mojave male
http://www.reptielen-forum.nl/forums..._348_47913.jpg

Leopard Spider female
http://www.reptielen-forum.nl/forums...348_183257.jpg

For those who were planning to ask me about the Leopard Pastel and Leopard Spider. I bought the animals from Freek Nuyt, who is a friend of Vincent Russo. Vin produced some Leopard Pastels a couple of years ago (Leopard is supposed to be a dominant gene) and sold one male to Freek. ´He´ turned out to be a ´she´ and he paired her up with a Spider. Some of the animals had the Leopard look. You can read more about it on www.fnreptiles.com

Gorgeous snakes!
love the Ghost and the Mojo :D

You've got a great collection!!! I love your Mojave!

Just curious:

What makes those Leopard?

I've never really heard the term..

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Just curious:

What makes those Leopard?

I've never really heard the term..

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Have you also read the text or only looked at the pics??

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For those who were planning to ask me about the Leopard Pastel and Leopard Spider. I bought the animals from Freek Nuyt, who is a friend of Vincent Russo. Vin produced some Leopard Pastels a couple of years ago (Leopard is supposed to be a dominant gene) and sold one male to Freek. ´He´ turned out to be a ´she´ and he paired her up with a Spider. Some of the animals had the Leopard look. You can read more about it on www.fnreptiles.com

Well, considering that the text was mashed underneath the pics, I must have missed them.

Thank you for your polite and still not fulfilling response... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by RockingRoyals

Have you also read the text or only looked at the pics??

i quote:

For those who were planning to ask me about the Leopard Pastel and Leopard Spider. I bought the animals from Freek Nuyt, who is a friend of Vincent Russo. Vin produced some Leopard Pastels a couple of years ago (Leopard is supposed to be a dominant gene) and sold one male to Freek. ´He´ turned out to be a ´she´ and he paired her up with a Spider. Some of the animals had the Leopard look. You can read more about it on www.fnreptiles.com

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Yeah, but this does not answer her question. we have never heard of a leopard anything. what is it? do you have example pics?

Hi Bas

you now what i think..Just stunning i really beginning to love that Ghost

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Just curious:

What makes those Leopard?

I've never really heard the term..

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Originally Posted by RockingRoyals

Have you also read the text or only looked at the pics??

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I looked at the pics, read the text, and followed the link and found very little information there.

None of it answers the question: what makes them a leopard?

I'm sure we'd all like to know more about them. Please share!

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Originally Posted by kc261

I looked at the pics, read the text, and followed the link and found very little information there.

None of it answers the question: what makes them a leopard?

I'm sure we'd all like to know more about them. Please share!

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Well, maybe Vin himself can say something about it because this is the only information i have. It is said to intensify the colors and clean up the pattern. Great example is the difference between the Bumblebee and the Leopardbee on his website. Even Vin himself has no information about this mutation on his website so i´ll probably send him an e-mail to ask more info. I´ll keep you guys informed...

I think they are refering to the animals Vin calls Leopards. So if Iam reading right they are saying that they are a cross of the Leopard and the Pastel or Leopard and spider.

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Originally Posted by kc261

I looked at the pics, read the text, and followed the link and found very little information there.

None of it answers the question: what makes them a leopard?

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I did the same thing, and don't really get it either...

Those are some beauties. That leopard spider is one fine lady!

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

I think they are refering to the animals Vin calls Leopards. So if Iam reading right they are saying that they are a cross of the Leopard and the Pastel or Leopard and spider.

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Nope, not exactly. They are a cross of a Spider to a Leopard Pastel.
Here´s a pic of the mother when she was young.
http://www.fnreptiles.com/morph.asp?...oyal%20Python#

And here is a comparison pic (the third pic) of my Leopard Spider (the right one) and a ´normal´ Spider just out of the egg.
http://www.fnreptiles.com/morph.asp?...oyal%20Python#

This is the text on the website referring to the Leopard Pastel:

First produced by Vin Russo in 2004, combination of a dominant(leopard) and co-dominant (pastel)gene, i was lucky to obtain an absolutely gorgeous female in the year they were first produced of only a few that were produced.
This combo makes a busy patterned extremely clean vibrant yellowpastel which doesn’t brown out like many pastels but holds it color as it matures.

The biggest potential lies in breeding these into other mutations as it cleans them up and really enhances the color. In 2006 i produced the first ever leopardbee (leopardpastelspider) from this line and it is turning into a knockout animal.




All pics are courtesy of Freek Nuyt from FNReptiles.

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Originally Posted by RockingRoyals

Nope, not exactly. They are a cross of a Spider to a Leopard Pastel.

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I think you misread my post according to your own site a Leopard pastel is the "combination of a dominant(leopard) and co-dominant (pastel)gene,"
So a Spider X Leopard Pastel would be a Leopard Bee not a Leopard pastel or Leopard Spider. That may be what was bred to get them but not the genes present in the animals we are talking about. right?

Guess I am just not getting it. The "leopard pastel" that you provided the link to appears to be a normal, not very bright, pastel to me. Am I looking at the wrong picture? Both of the spiders look like normal spiders too.... \


Very nice snakes you have by the way.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

I think you misread my post according to your own site a Leopard pastel is the "combination of a dominant(leopard) and co-dominant (pastel)gene,"
So a Spider X Leopard Pastel would be a Leopard Bee not a Leopard pastel or Leopard Spider. That may be what was bred to get them but not the genes present in the animals we are talking about. right?

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My animals come from a Spider x Leopard Pastel breeding. In the clutch were a normal, a Spider, a Leopard Pastel, a Leopard Spider and (if i´m not mistaken) 2 Leopardbees.

The question that still doesn't seem to be being answered is what makes them leopards? What is/are the identifying traits of a leopard?

For example, albinos are pretty obvious, ivories are more subtle. But people who know what to look for can still look for those particular traits and identify from a mixed clutch which animals are YBs and which are normals.

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Originally Posted by kc261

The question that still doesn't seem to be being answered is what makes them leopards? What is/are the identifying traits of a leopard?

For example, albinos are pretty obvious, ivories are more subtle. But people who know what to look for can still look for those particular traits and identify from a mixed clutch which animals are YBs and which are normals.

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its that they call them Leopards, thats what makes them Leopards :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by mcavana

Guess I am just not getting it. The "leopard pastel" that you provided the link to appears to be a normal, not very bright, pastel to me. Am I looking at the wrong picture? Both of the spiders look like normal spiders too.... \


Very nice snakes you have by the way.

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I dont see it either on either of the animals.....

I don't see anything distinguishing or "brighter" about the spider and pastel posted above either, or what "markers" make them a leopard cross. Toss them in with other pastels and spiders and I'd be hard pressed to tell the difference. The pastel looks darker rather than lighter, unless he was in shed.

Can you link to a picture of just a leopard rather than a cross? Maybe that will help. If you plan to market your offspring as such, it would be good to be able to clearly define what makes them different from other pastels or spiders.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

I don't see anything distinguishing or "brighter" about the spider and pastel posted above either, or what "markers" make them a leopard cross. Toss them in with other pastels and spiders and I'd be hard pressed to tell the difference. The pastel looks darker rather than lighter, unless he was in shed.

Can you link to a picture of just a leopard rather than a cross? Maybe that will help. If you plan to market your offspring as such, it would be good to be able to clearly define what makes them different from other pastels or spiders.

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well stated.

really like the ghost and the mojo. very nice.

Saweet! I think I have a leopard pastel now!:)..........hehe jk :P

...honestly...I think you just have a nice normal pastel, and a nice normal spider! :)


And I love that GHOST! owe owe! :gj:

...I gotta get myself a mojo too....:rolleyes: