Breeding and Albino to an Albino

I was wondering whether or not it made any difference (besides getting all albinos) health/genetics wise to breed an albino to an albino?

A person at our last reptile show said it is better to breed an albino with a het because albino x albino isn't the best thing for the snake, genetically speaking.

Any truth to this?

In Boas, it is a problem

In Ball Pythons, there is not a problem

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

In Boas, it is a problem

In Ball Pythons, there is not a problem

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How does that work?

Albino to Albino in Boas ends up producing no eyed progeny.

Albino to Albino in BPs does not seem to have this trait.

Not that I actually know anything about boas, but I thought I'd read in another thread that the problem was with 2 different albino strains that when crossed created really messed up offspring.

So you are saying that even when crossing the same strain back to itself, you are likely to get minor defects? Not that missing eyes is "minor", but compared to the other.

Good to know it isn't an issue with BPs.

To the OP: you may know this already, but you'd want to outcross occasionally to prevent too much inbreeding. However, based on what Heather (LadyOhh) said, apparently it would be ok to outcross to an unrelated albino, and you wouldn't need to outcross to a normal or a het.

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Originally Posted by kc261

Not that I actually know anything about boas, but I thought I'd read in another thread that the problem was with 2 different albino strains that when crossed created really messed up offspring.

So you are saying that even when crossing the same strain back to itself, you are likely to get minor defects? Not that missing eyes is "minor", but compared to the other.

Good to know it isn't an issue with BPs.

To the OP: you may know this already, but you'd want to outcross occasionally to prevent too much inbreeding. However, based on what Heather (LadyOhh) said, apparently it would be ok to outcross to an unrelated albino, and you wouldn't need to outcross to a normal or a het.

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I am not the Boa expert either... I was under the impression, however, that doing any Albino to Albino would cause the no eyed progeny...

If I am wrong, someone please correct me.

And as for Albino to Albino in BPs, as far as I know, there have not been any problems with any lines crossing with each other and creating any problems.

Hmm didnt know that was an issue Now I dont wanna breed my bino to my friends female. I will stick with the OG plan. Breed him to my female and then one of the offpring back to him.

Not trying to hijack this thread, but it seems to be on the same subject. What about crossing different lines of Albino, for exampae a regualr albino to high contrast or faded? What would be the outcome, or are both lines not compatible with each other?

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Originally Posted by sg1trogdor

Hmm didnt know that was an issue Now I dont wanna breed my bino to my friends female. I will stick with the OG plan. Breed him to my female and then one of the offpring back to him.

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Line breeding for the albino trait in boas is not a good idea. Buy different blood.

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Originally Posted by kc261

Not that I actually know anything about boas, but I thought I'd read in another thread that the problem was with 2 different albino strains that when crossed created really messed up offspring.

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There are two different Strains. They cannot be bred together, to produce albinos. * although if babies from such a pairing were bred back to parents, you have the chance of producing albinos that way, as the animals bred would possibly carry the gene for that specific parent animals strain of albinism, but i wouldnt recommend line breeding like this at all, at least, not in Albino Boa projects*


Kahl, and Sharp. are the two.

Im pretty sure, and dont quote me on this, because i could be wrong about sharp strain boas, but Both display the eye problems, but Kahl strain animals have a higher chance of displaying the trait than Sharp. Or lesser quality animals as well.

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Albino to Albino in Boas ends up producing no eyed progeny.

Albino to Albino in BPs does not seem to have this trait.

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Really!? I never heard of that. Can you provide more information about this?

I would really hate to get a sunglow or something of the sort with a albino as a visible trait to breed to my albino female and get no eyed babies :O

http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php...08712&key=2006

"First one you already touched upon, genetically close animals will have a higher probability of deformities. I've hear asd long as the albinos are relatively unrelated (all kahl albino's are related at least some) then albino X albino should be ok. You are already planning on getting animals that are outcrossed. "

Not to say that it happens every time but I do remember seeing a Ralp Davis youtube video of an albino clutch of BP and I think all but maybe 2 were deformed. One had no eyes, while the others had short bottom jaws. Not sure if it was just a freak thing or actuall albinoxalbino. But if it was then that kinda means it does sometimes give you deformed babies.

I would search and find the video but I am on my phone and can't get youtube...

And just an FYI I have no idea about genetics and such. I don't even have a BP yet but I just thought id share what I saw.

Peace :]

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Originally Posted by ryan9815

Not to say that it happens every time but I do remember seeing a Ralp Davis youtube video of an albino clutch of BP and I think all but maybe 2 were deformed. One had no eyes, while the others had short bottom jaws. Not sure if it was just a freak thing or actuall albinoxalbino. But if it was then that kinda means it does sometimes give you deformed babies.

I would search and find the video but I am on my phone and can't get youtube...

And just an FYI I have no idea about genetics and such. I don't even have a BP yet but I just thought id share what I saw.

Peace :]

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In the RDR video you are talking about, he was line breeding an albino granite project. I do not know how many years of inbreeding this is, but he said that the deformities were because of the line breeding. He also said that he would not be line breeding that project anymore. I do not know if it was because they were inbreed albinos, or if it is because they were inbreed.

I think I am going to stick to 100% Het albino x albino...not only just to play it safe against the things i can't see, but to do what is in the best interest of the animals.

albinoism isn't a good trait to have period! They are cool to look at, but personally, I don't think they should be bred at all, any snakes. I wouldn't want to be albino nor would i want that fate for my children. Why risk the many possible problems that could occur?

Just my opinion

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

In the RDR video you are talking about, he was line breeding an albino granite project. I do not know how many years of inbreeding this is, but he said that the deformities were because of the line breeding. He also said that he would not be line breeding that project anymore. I do not know if it was because they were inbreed albinos, or if it is because they were inbreed.

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O okay I see now :)

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Originally Posted by leoares27

Why risk the many possible problems that could occur?

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Which are?

I think something that could be being over looked here is you could have more problems breeding an Albino bp with one of its het siblings than two unrelated albinos. We have two completely unrelated Albino bp's from two separate breeders. Not saying that someplace in their history their genetics do not cross, but they should be more unrelated than say buying an albino and a het albino from the same breeder! Also eventually through our Snow project which involves another completely different line of Albino we will probably end up producing more albinos again. These will probably be the ones we use as future hold backs just to make sure new blood gets injected into the line on occasion. Granted we may have to use our existing albino line to beef up our snow line as well in the future. I know a lot of the designer morphs have been line bred and a lot of that was due to only a male or female of that line being the grand daddy/mommy of the whole line, but when dealing with the majority of the morphs on the market today I think with a little forward thinking line breeding should be able to be minimized with only a little additional cost or time.