california makes no sense!

ok i just discovered that in the state of california i cannot own a ferret or a hedgehog or a squirrel.. and the list goes on with the kool little fuzzy things i cannot own as a pet including as many would figure lions and tigers and bears and elephants.. but oddly enough Cheetahs are on the non ban list!?! WTF so you are telling me i can own a cheetah as a pet but not a flipping ferret?!? or breed ASF's to feed to my snakes? is this state retarded?

You can also own a gorilla.

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

You can also own a gorilla.

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LOL!

ROFL wow i am appalled at the idiocy of the lawmakers in this country and even more specifically this state. and what shocks me the most is the incredibly uninformed people who must have voted these rules into effect?! why would there be any more of a reason to not be able to own a hedge hog or ferret than reason there is to own a cheetah or gorilla? :cens0r: :soapbx:

Although the state may not have an outright ban on some animals -- most counties and cities have zoning regulations as to the keeping of "exotics". As well most cities have regulations on the number of pets you can keep in any form.

As for the non-native small furries -- they can survive quite well in our habitat and way to many irresponsible people let them loose -- so there you have it. :rolleyes:

Hmmm i think i need to buy a gorilla lol

i am quite certain a cheetah or gorilla could live just as easilly in much of the habitat of california as a ferret could and when i discovered this info on the department of fish and game website i also looked at the individual county regulation and in california there were only 5 counties that were listed to have their own rules and the majority of them were all listed a simply not within city limits the only exception to that was San Diego county

It is unlawful to own, possess or maintain any venomous reptile. It is unlawful for any person to own, possess or maintain any other wild animal unless he/she complies with all federal, state and local laws, regulations and permit requirements affecting such animals.

and they say nothing about in city limits either lol

A domesticated ferret would not survive in the wild.

-Chris-

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Originally Posted by Lewdogg3

Hmmm i think i need to buy a gorilla lol

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agreed hey i bet that is what bigfoot is! someones pet gorilla that got loose lol

but the aw doesnt say directly that you can own a gorilla it actually says that the genus Hominidae is an exception to the all species ban list of order primates and if i am not mistaken dont us as humans fall into that category? so essentially speaking i could keep another human being as my pet doeant that sound a bit unethical? lol

In Georgia I can't own a corn snake but I can own a 20 something foot retic and all the indigenous venomous snakes I want without a permit. It just goes to show you how our government loves to waste our tax dollars making laws that are idiotic.

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Originally Posted by dacalio

In Georgia I can't own a corn snake but I can own a 20 something foot retic and all the indigenous venomous snakes I want without a permit. It just goes to show you how our government loves to waste our tax dollars making laws that are idiotic.

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I believe the reason for that is because Cornsnakes are a native protected species in Georgia as opposed to a Retic which isn't native.

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Originally Posted by TripleMoonsExotic

I believe the reason for that is because Cornsnakes are a native protected species in Georgia as opposed to a Retic which isn't native.

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That is correct!

Very true, but what about eastern diamondbacks? They are a lot less common than corn snakes. I don't want to argue with you but my herpetology teacher at Georgia Southwestern has been researching all these animals for a very long time and he feels the same. I love all reptiles venomous or not. I don't feel corn snakes are becoming endangered any time soon. Eastern diamondbacks already are even though our Government will not admit it.

Oh, but that would put a hamper on rattlesnake roundups now wouldn't it?

Get involved then - get involved with the herp society, see what, if any movements they may have to get new bills introduced in the next session to change or ammend the current laws. We can all complain about how things are, but how many of us actually do anything to try to make change?

I also wanted to add. Do you think it's a good thing that we cannot own a snake because it's protected. Personally, I feel the complete opposite. I don't see any reptiles or amphibians making a swift come back. I feel that should be all the more reason to begin captive propagation with the exception of collecting anything from the wild. It makes absolutely no sense to deprive an entire state of ownership of an animal that is so easily produced in captivity that has zero impact on wild populations.

Just my opinion.

Not that I defend the law, but playing devil's advocate. In FL, there's a very real problem of people releasing captive animals into the wild.

If someone got tired of their corn collection and decided to let them go in GA, since they're indigenous to GA anyway, they could possibly also be releasing illnesses that the wild corn snakes don't have resistences to and wipe them out - THAT'S why they have this law - to protect the wild population from being exposed to a captive population.

Touche'

I agree that is a very valid concern. I often think in terms of me and my collection I don't consider the irresponsible individuals.

However, if that were true it would seem they would outlaw the ownerhip of the venomous native snakes too for that very same reason.

We can dance all day!

ok i understand what yall are saying about the indigenous cornsnakes and all but... what about the fact of me being able to own a cheetah or a gorilla but not allowed to own a ferret or an ASF what is the signifigance there? lol im quite certain a gorilla or a cheetah released out into the wild when i got tired of it would make a whole lot more of an impact than an ASF or ferret. none of those animals btw wre indigenous to california.. lol

Sorry I got off track there. Personally I feel all these laws are pretty damn stupid. Feral cats and dogs have made more of an impact than any of these other animals have. So, I'm with you bro. We already have a rodent problem, I am fairly certain that another rodent native to Africa would not be able to compete with rats and mice.

Now if climate were that of say Hawaii, well that is a completely different story. Nearly any animal can thrive there except maybe polar bears and stuff. OK, I know that is not a completely true statement but you know what I mean.

Unless our government wants to make ownership of cats and dogs illegal they need to back off. I think it's hypocritical and illogical in every possible way. Most importantly it's not backed by any scientific proof.

I don't want to get involved in this too much because most laws regarding animals are sub-par to say the least. It's a hot topic for me and I don't want to get upset.

Regarding the gorillas and cheetahs, I don't know why they decided to leave them out of the law (wouldn't it have been just as easy to go ahead and include them in the list?) but I'd be willing to bet that the ferrets and ASFs are more of a concern because they're much easier to afford and get a hold of. It would be quite difficult to actually find a pet gorilla, so most people won't go to the trouble. I suppose the government is counting on that.

Another guess that I might venture is the fact that there's so much money in the fur business. Perhaps those two species (whose fur or skin are worth quite a bit) cannot survive in that state should they get loose, so legislators allow them to be brought into the state to get money coming into the area via fur traders. It may seem a little far-fetched (even to me) but you'd be surprised how often the reasoning behind a stupid law is some under-the-table, trying-to-keep-money-in-the-state reason.

Ok, I'm done now.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Not that I defend the law, but playing devil's advocate. In FL, there's a very real problem of people releasing captive animals into the wild.

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yep...
even tho i wouldnt ever own a burm, or some of the other big snakes... but now that i have two red tails, the big snake law is a little bit more of an issue for me... if they get hard on it... idk what im going to do... but i doubt they would, seeing as that would mess with some of the economy and the stuff that happens every august... lol... among other things...

but it is a serious problem, earlier this year a friend of mine was camping and believes to have seen a large albino snake... im unsure of the species... but it deff wasnt native... and thats up here on the panhandle... go figure...

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Another guess that I might venture is the fact that there's so much money in the fur business. Perhaps those two species (whose fur or skin are worth quite a bit) cannot survive in that state should they get loose, so legislators allow them to be brought into the state to get money coming into the area via fur traders. It may seem a little far-fetched (even to me) but you'd be surprised how often the reasoning behind a stupid law is some under-the-table, trying-to-keep-money-in-the-state reason.

Ok, I'm done now.

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now tht makes perfect sense but really it does lobbyists.. same reason that marijuana is still illegal and try as the nation might there is never a major head way on alternative fuels because someone who makes alot of money off of the competition and will "persuede" ( sp? ) the right people to vote yea or nay on specific laws

as for your other opinion im almost hard headed enough if that were the case to save the money and buy one! just to spite them but alas.. my apartments wont even let me keep my boxer let alone a cheetah or gorilla... lol

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Originally Posted by Athen

ok i just discovered that in the state of california i cannot own a ferret or a hedgehog or a squirrel.. and the list goes on with the kool little fuzzy things i cannot own as a pet including as many would figure lions and tigers and bears and elephants.. but oddly enough Cheetahs are on the non ban list!?! WTF so you are telling me i can own a cheetah as a pet but not a flipping ferret?!? or breed ASF's to feed to my snakes? is this state retarded?

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Get what you want.... Cali cant even control the dope and gangs problems. Enjoy your FERRET:taz:

For those of you saying to yourself, "hey where can I get a cheetah?"

http://www.africananimals.biz/animal...on=price&cat=8

AH HAH! now i can complete my plan! lol it kinda frightens me that you found that info lol

If you couldn't tell I'm pretty passionate about this subject. When I lived in Hawaii EVERYTHING was illegal to keep and even if you were willing to break the law you couldn't get anything. Not that I condone that or anything. In fact, I understood the critical balance of Hawaii. We were constantly educated about our environment since that was our main source of revenue (tourism).

Regardless I was extremely depressed when I moved to Georgia. In fact, my only consulation was the fact that I could own some cool animals. I even had a ferret named Pepsi when I first moved here and he was awesome. The idea that our government would strip away these rights makes me pretty pissed to say the least.

What about the environment of the continental US you may ask? Well, since the arrival of Europeans it has been a plunge downhill. Believe it or not, we use to have some impressive coral reef systems. MAN is the biggest threat to our environment not these animals. As I stated earlier unless our government is willing to start by outlawing cats and dogs then they can keep their legislative mouths shut.

I am sure there are certain animals that can have a devastating impact on our ecosystems. I know there are some mussels that have caused a huge amount of damage around the world. But guess how they got there, on our freakin freighters. I am sorry but I don't see the validity of hordes of ASF's and ferrets taking over California. Hell, the cats would kill them. Maybe not the ferrets. Pepsi would take on my rotteweiler with no hesitation. :D

All I'm basically saying is the damage has already been done. When European ships first arrived they brought rats, mice, cats, and later on certain species of mussels. How are you gonna screw up something that is already shot to hell and back.

Just my 2 cents.

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AH HAH! now i can complete my plan! lol it kinda frightens me that you found that info lol

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That's the power of google my friend.

Sweet! I ordered
1.1 cheetahs
1.0 lions

1.2 nile crocs
1.1 mambas
1.1 red spitters

and of course

some zebras and gazelle for feeders!!:D

In California...
Sunshine is guaranteed to the masses.
Animals are banned from mating publicly within 1,500 feet of a tavern, school, or place of worship.
Bathhouses are against the law.
It is a misdemeanor to shoot at any kind of game from a moving vehicle, unless the target is a whale.
Women may not drive in a house coat.
No vehicle without a driver may exceed 60 miles per hour.

100% real laws.
They're even worse in Kentucky..

Kentuckys rules rock!!!:D I was born there.

The shooting of animals from a car is illegal in many states.

again i bring up the intelligence factors of the individuals who voted for these laws... although they do say everything is written in blood.. lol

decalio... you rock! Many will not take the time to reread you posts a few times to relly get what you are saying. so screw them.

Point made and taken.

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Originally Posted by Athen

ok i just discovered that in the state of california i cannot own a ferret or a hedgehog or a squirrel.. and the list goes on with the kool little fuzzy things i cannot own as a pet including as many would figure lions and tigers and bears and elephants.. but oddly enough Cheetahs are on the non ban list!?! WTF so you are telling me i can own a cheetah as a pet but not a flipping ferret?!? or breed ASF's to feed to my snakes? is this state retarded?

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Yes but you can own an indigo without a permit. As far as I'm concerned, that makes up for it.

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Originally Posted by mcavana

decalio... you rock! Many will not take the time to reread you posts a few times to relly get what you are saying. so screw them.

Point made and taken.

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I appreciate it that Mike. As I said this issue is at the center of my thoughts. I feel the future for all reptiles and amphibians is grim. Sure there will be minimal amounts of these animals in existence. But what about the genetic diversity? Once it's gone it's gone. Narrow genetic pools have spelled disastor for many species. I'm afraid captivity is these animals last hope. Thankfully, a lot of herps don't imprint on humans and they can make an easy transition to the wild if ever need be. I doubt that day will ever come it would take a major disastor or epidemic to even put a dent in the human population (AKA Earth's Plague).

Morphs play a part in all of this. I love showing pictures of some of my animals at work. People are amazed at the beauty and just maybe their eyes open up. Perhaps I made a small enough impact to prevent some of these individuals from swerving to purposefully hit any snake they see.

I live in an area where people will blow holes in their house with a shotgun to kill a garter snake. I don't understand how it's socially exceptable to destroy and mutilate a snake. If I were to do the same to a dog I would be considered pre-serial killer material.

BTW I don't hate people. It is what it is. But I do like my animals a lot more. :D

In regards to the ad for African animals... well that stuff is more common than one might think. Large zoos are always trying to breed their animals so that there is a cute fuzzy baby awaiting the viewing public. But what do you think happens to the larger, not-so-cute, older animals when there's a surplus? They ship them out the back door to brokers for fur, exotic meats, and what are called "canned hunts" (I believe that's the term). It's where someone who has more money than they know what to do with pays to hunt a big-game animal in a closed, safe environment. The whole process is one big, sick joke. And half of these zoos masquerade themselves as "conservationists" and "animal sanctuaries". :mad: Obviously, not ALL zoos are like this, but it seems to me that there are more bad ones than good.

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

You can also own a gorilla.

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You *ARE* a gorilla.

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