2 questions about bumblebees

1. Can a bumblebee X normal produce bumblebees?

Because I was looking throught EbN's hatching records and saw bumblebee X normal yielded 2.1 Bumblebees, 0.1 Spiders, 2.1 Pastels & 0.3 Normals. I always thought a double co-dom would only produce normals, and the 2 codoms mixed into it, so in this cause I thought it would only produce normals, spiders, and pastels, but not bees.

2. Is an '08 male bumblebee worth $1500? I emailed Marc Mandic and thats his price. Does that sound reasonable?

yup, bee to a normal can make bees

Thats about what they were going for last year, and i alot of it depends on the quality of the bee

A.) You're in Canada...it's a smaller market, stuff has cost more up there for years now...it will equal out to US market price eventually, and already has started to...

B.) It depends on the quality of Bumblebee....for a crappy one... I wouldn't pay $1500. But for a stunner like panthercz's heck yeah I'd pay $1500.

The reason bumblebee X normal can produce bee and normals (and not only spiders and pastels) is because spider and pastel have proven to be mutations of different genes, probably not even on the same chromosome (at least not very close together). So the bee has both a spider and normal for spider version of the gene at the spider locus and also both a pastel and normal for pastel gene at the separate pastel locus. It's like two separate coin flips to decide which version of the spider gene (normal for spider or spider mutant) and which version of the pastel gene (normal for pastel or pastel mutant) get passed on to each offspring and. All combos are possible.

Now a leucistic produced from lesser X mojave is a different situation. It appears that lesser and mojave are two different mutations of the same gene (alleles). So it's like a single coin flip where heads is lesser and tails is mojave. The leucistic parent has no normal version to pass on so no normals from breeding this leucistic to a normal. Also no leucistic because each baby only gets one copy of this common gene from the leucistic parent (either the lesser or the mojave version but not both). So this breeding produces only lesser and mojaves at a along term average 50/50 split.

can all types of spiders be bred to a normal and produce spiders or is it just the bumble bee?

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Originally Posted by Mochelem

can all types of spiders be bred to a normal and produce spiders or is it just the bumble bee?

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Any spider bred to a normal will have the ability to produce spiders.

are there any other morphs that are like this?

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Originally Posted by Mochelem

are there any other morphs that are like this?

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Like what not sure what your asking. :D

Are there other morphs besides spiders that can be bred to a normal and produce the morph?

Oh yea
Pastel Jungle
Woma Tiger
Yellow Belly
Mojave
Red Axanthic
Platinum
Butter
Cinnamon
Fire
Calico
Spotnose
Spider
Pinstripe
Granite
just to name a few

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Originally Posted by Mochelem

Are there other morphs besides spiders that can be bred to a normal and produce the morph?

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Yes there are lots of dom and codom animals!!

Codom

pastel
mojave
fire
lesser
butter
calico
and thee are others

Dom

spider
pinstripe

Thoughs are the ones right off the top of my head...there are more.

EDIT

Ed with fast fingures types fast!

sorry to be such a noob, but is there any type of list or info out there that will tell you this stuff.. For example Fire was on the list but you can breed 2 fires and get a BEL... This is very confusing to us noobs and I would like more info... I never knew you could breed mojaves this way either....

Here check this out. :D :gj:

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ollection.html

duh :stupidme::stupidme::stupidme: Co-dominant and Recessive, I learned this once.... Sorry for being an idiot.... Genetics are confusing

way to hijack my thread Mochelem! But thank you to those who did answer my questions lol!

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way to hijack my thread Mochelem! But thank you to those who did answer my questions lol!

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Lol sorry, didnt mean to but I had questions on the same subject and I didnt see the need to start a new one.... Lol

Cool genetics page...

http://www.ballpythons.ca/genetics.html

Go here: http://www.ballpythons.ca/what_get/co_dominant.html and then mouse over the different combo's to see what they produce...

Any double codom will produce the dbl codom when bred to a normal. Pewters, Bees, Lesser bees, Pastel lessers, Lemon blast, Spinner etc.

25% dbl codom
25% codom #1
25% codom #2
25% normal

Now do not confuse double codom with the super form of a codom; ie super pastel, BEL. A super or homozygous codom bred to a normal will not produce supers. You will get 100% pastels, lessers, mojaves though which is awesome. I can't wait to get say a lucy and breed it to a pastel or spider and get all lessers and pastel lessers/lesser bees. Or a super pastel to a spider to get 50% pastels, 50% bees. Super codoms rock!!! No normals. :)