No movement in last 3 spiders...

Well it seems this morning I could possibly have some serious devastating problems with my final three eggs with contained ALL spiders. :(

The first hatchling piped Saturday July 12th, and I cut the rest of the eggs, two normals came out of their eggs a few days later, then Wednesday morning the first spider and the final normal came out.

The other three spiders hadn't even poked their heads out to take their first breath and I could see they heads were still under all the goo.

Being curious I poked at the three daily to make sure they still moved. All did.....untill this morning. :(

I even used a large bobby pin, and was able to move them around still in the eggs but getting no movement from them in return.

They all appear to have died. :(

I plan on removing them from the eggs tonight (unless advised otherwise), and will know for sure after that.

Any ideas on what is going on? Did they drown?

I would also like to thank Jon Courtney (coldbloodaddict) for taking my frantic call yesterday.

PS, the other 4 are doing great, haven't sexed them yet and still havent taken real pics besides on my cellie this morning.

Susan...I am completely bummed for you and I know you are totally freaking out right now.

I am so pulling for those lil guys and keeping all my fingers crossed.

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Aww, :(

Fingers crossed they're just mesin with ya. :please:


dr del

Oh my God Susan. I was thinking about you yesterday wondering how those spiders turned out. I am so sorry to hear of this happening. I can say that I had one egg that when I cut it I didn't break the "sac" that they are in and it ended up drying out and getting pretty hard that I had to cut to get it out.

Please let us know what you find out. Sorry for your loss

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Originally Posted by MeMe

Susan...I am completely bummed for you and I know you are totally freaking out right now.

I am so pulling for those lil guys and keeping all my fingers crossed.

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Thanks Memes! Appreciates it! :hug:

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Originally Posted by dr del

Aww, :(

Fingers crossed they're just mesin with ya. :please:


dr del

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Me too, but I'm almost certain they aren't. :(

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Oh my God Susan. I was thinking about you yesterday wondering how those spiders turned out. I am so sorry to hear of this happening. I can say that I had one egg that when I cut it I didn't break the "sac" that they are in and it ended up drying out and getting pretty hard that I had to cut to get it out.

Please let us know what you find out. Sorry for your loss

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Thanks Ed, I do know the goo is not dried out..at least not yet. Today is day 59. Not sure it I mentioned that yet.

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Originally Posted by daaangconcepts

Today is day 59. Not sure it I mentioned that yet.

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you told me you incubated at a slightly lower temp right?

I wonder would that have made a difference?

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Originally Posted by MeMe

you told me you incubated at a slightly lower temp right?

I wonder would that have made a difference?

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88 Degress. With could of made it take them longer to hatch. Shouldn't be the case here since half has come out of the eggs already..and I didnt cut b.c the first pipe.

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Originally Posted by MeMe

you told me you incubated at a slightly lower temp right?

I wonder would that have made a difference?

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Lower temps do require longer incubation times. If you cut five days ago that would have only been 54 days. What temp did you incubate at?

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Originally Posted by daaangconcepts

88 Degress. With could of made it take them longer to hatch. Shouldn't be the case here since half has come out of the eggs already..and I didnt cut b.c the first pipe.

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88...hmmm...I wouldn't think that would have made a big difference. Were the temps in your incubator consistent? I wonder if maybe some eggs were warmer than others?

Sorry to hear about this...:(

Crap Susan... I am sooo very sorry. I really hop you can figure out what happened... I feel for ya girl... Don't beat yourself up over it. You might get them out and realize they were messed up or something.

I'm crossing my fingers for you. :(

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Originally Posted by sho220

88...hmmm...I wouldn't think that would have made a big difference. Were the temps in your incubator consistent? I wonder if maybe some eggs were warmer than others?

Sorry to hear about this...:(

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Totally constant and controlled by a helix.

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Originally Posted by Laooda

Crap Susan... I am sooo very sorry. I really hop you can figure out what happened... I feel for ya girl... Don't beat yourself up over it. You might get them out and realize they were messed up or something.

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Thanks Laura. Right now I am just soo thankful that the first four hatched. I'm trying not to blame myself b.c some did hatch, and are doing great.

One of the spiders did seem to look like its tail was almost deformed and kinked.

Oh Susan!!! :(

I hope that they were just fooling you and that you'll have happier news for us later today or tomorrow! :hug:

:hug: Sorry for your loss. I had a gecko die in the egg last week, its really sad to see them in there.

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Originally Posted by daaangconcepts

I'm trying not to blame myself b.c some did hatch, and are doing great.

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Don't beat yourself up about it. Seems like sometimes it just happens no matter how careful and controlled everything was. Just the nature of things...

Susan, I really hope they are okay. I do know our second clutch gave me fits and I really thought some of them didn't make it. I cut earlier than I meant to (miscounted days!) and some of them didn't seem to respond to touch as readily as others. What Kara told me to do was to give them a good poke with something dull and also to put my nose right down to the egg and sniff for the sweet smell of decomp. Also look at what veins you can see. Are they still red and vital looking or have they degraded, gone dark or not right looking. I did that, never smelled anything, veins looked right and I seemed to get some responsive small movements, though on a couple really not much.

They all did come out and all are okay. I hope that's the situation with you too hon. Please keep us up-to-date and know that we are all hoping so much that things work out okay for these hatchlings.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are alive and well and are just playing coy. I can't tell you how many times this season I poked baby snakes in the egg and they didn't respond and I went "oh damn it's dead". Give them a little time.

Those two posts are promising... ^^^ Hope it all works out! :snake:

* Crosses Crossables *

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

Susan, I really hope they are okay. I do know our second clutch gave me fits and I really thought some of them didn't make it. I cut earlier than I meant to (miscounted days!) and some of them didn't seem to respond to touch as readily as others. What Kara told me to do was to give them a good poke with something dull and also to put my nose right down to the egg and sniff for the sweet smell of decomp. Also look at what veins you can see. Are they still red and vital looking or have they degraded, gone dark or not right looking. I did that, never smelled anything, veins looked right and I seemed to get some responsive small movements, though on a couple really not much.

They all did come out and all are okay. I hope that's the situation with you too hon. Please keep us up-to-date and know that we are all hoping so much that things work out okay for these hatchlings.

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They don't actually smell bad to me, and the last I remember were that the veins were still red. I didn't get the best look at them this morning b.c I had to leave for work. My husband is the one that did the poking and is convincing me they didn't make it.

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Originally Posted by Larry Suttles

I wouldn't be surprised if they are alive and well and are just playing coy. I can't tell you how many times this season I poked baby snakes in the egg and they didn't respond and I went "oh damn it's dead". Give them a little time.

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Wow! Thanks Larry! :hug:

So do you then not suggest I remove them from the eggs tonight?

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Originally Posted by daaangconcepts

My husband is the one that did the poking and is convincing me they didn't make it.

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:rolleyes:

there is that.

;)

Sometimes men aren't so good at the poking. :D

Like I told MeMe in PM, Susan, I seriously thought mine were gone until I talked to Kara (and what a sweetie to deal with me blubbering on the phone). After I did the harder poke, the sniff and checking the veins like she told me too, I felt much better. It was about a week later they actually came out but then I'd cut them a full week earlier than I intended to.

Susan, I hope that those three babies are okay. Sending good vibes your way. Congrats on the other hatchlings though, that is something good.

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

Sometimes men aren't so good at the poking. :D

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I hope they are alive and okay. At this point tho you may want to intervieve and help them out a bit and make sure that they can infact get out. Wishing you the best!!!

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

Sometimes men aren't so good at the poking. :D

Like I told MeMe in PM, Susan, I seriously thought mine were gone until I talked to Kara (and what a sweetie to deal with me blubbering on the phone). After I did the harder poke, the sniff and checking the veins like she told me too, I felt much better. It was about a week later they actually came out but then I'd cut them a full week earlier than I intended to.

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The only thing is with the one with the possible deformed tail, he really poked at it, and moved it around in the egg and it (the tail) just kinda flopped around (for lack of better words) as if it wasn't alive. After that I couldn't watch him poke the others. :oops:

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Originally Posted by cuda

* Crosses Crossables *

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Ditto. I hope they pull through. :( *hug*

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

Sometimes men aren't so good at the poking. :D

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*snort!* :colbert:

Hang in there Susan, I'll bet they are just playing possum, sending positive energy your way:)

Sorry to hear about those. My last pastel that came out yesterday did the same thing for me a few days ago. I cut the eggs and all of them were moving, but the next day one of the pastels wouldn't move when poked, and I could only see it's belly. I thought it had died, but I left it alone and when I checked yesterday the other three had hatched and the last one had it's head poking out. Maybe they just need a little more time.

Did you for sure miss all the veins?

I ask that because you can cut a vein and kill them in the egg if done wrong (I'm sure you know that)

Just wanted to send some positive vibes your way Susan, I hope everything turns out well.

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Did you for sure miss all the veins?

I ask that because you can cut a vein and kill them in the egg if done wrong (I'm sure you know that)

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Yes Ma'am. Only had a smaller then pin sized drop of blood in one egg, that one was one of the normals that have already hatched.

The three in question were all alive and moving untill this morning.

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Did you for sure miss all the veins?

I ask that because you can cut a vein and kill them in the egg if done wrong (I'm sure you know that)

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I thought that was true, but in Brian's (BHB) video when ge cuts the eggs, it looks like he isn't too worried about hitting a vein. Is it not that dangerous, or is he just that experienced that he can fly through those kinds of things with perfection?

You can kill it if you hit the main artery/vein.

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

I thought that was true, but in Brian's (BHB) video when ge cuts the eggs, it looks like he isn't too worried about hitting a vein. Is it not that dangerous, or is he just that experienced that he can fly through those kinds of things with perfection?

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I saw a video of a guy cutting a clutch of, I think Retic eggs, and this guy could have worked at Benihana's...he must have cut open 30 eggs in less than a minute...:O

please keep us posted on the condition of those babies!!! im so worried for you

Susan,,I am so sorry about the babies....I hope everything is ok and they are being shy....

Update on last spiders can be found here.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...987#post833987

Thanks for all your support and kind words.

Susan