Moved Egg problems

Anyone want to weigh in on this?

My most recent clutch was rotated... Before any markings on any eggs could be done, the mother released her coils, and the eggs were not adhered together (within 12 hours of being laid) to my surprise.

ALL of the eggs rolled out.

Now, I candled everything, and there are veins in everyone, as well as a band of no veins, similiar to the egg that had only half veins before (another thread).

HOW does one distinguish where the embryo is attached or where the air bubble is to be able to right up the egg to the proper positioning???

I have looked everywhere, asked a couple of people, and really really really really really (DID I MENTION REALLY) need this clutch to survive...

I have never had this problem before, and I am stumped, and thought it may be helpful for others to learn what I was unable to find as well.

Any thoughts?

Hmm, does the ebryo pick a spot within 12 hours? I think the further along the more sensitive they are to repositioning.

Here is a link to the egg that I was mentioning with the band of no veins

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...63&postcount=7

I've had eggs get moved hours after being laid. Usually it was because the female wouldn't release them and these were burms, but the eggs did hatch.

I just put them in the incubator the way I found them.

I don't think 12 hours is long enough for attachment to complete so you should be ok.

Oh, and let me guess, this was my female too, right?

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Oh, and let me guess, this was my female too, right?

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Nope :) Sorry...

I think you should be OK Heather. Last year I had a clutch that wasn't adhered AND mom didn't even bother to wrap them. When I opened the tub all the eggs rolled up to the front to greet me. I set them up and 4 or the 5 hatched and the 5th had a full term baby in it, so rolling around loose like pinballs did nothing to stop their development. I don't how long it takes for the eggs to develop an orientation, but I think it's longer then 12 hours.

Mark

Heather,
I just recently got a clutch of eggs from a female (that I really, really need to hatch) as well. These eggs were held together, and did not roll when I removed the female. Even though they remained how she had them, three of them were upside down. I relayed that story mostly to show that they don't always lay them right, even if the don't roll.

With that said, we do candle every one of our eggs and mark the embryo and face it skyward when we place it in the incubator box. I do not know if this is necessary, but I have never lost an egg that had strong veining and no other outward problems upon being laid. Here is how we do it. When you candle the egg, you should see a portion of the egg that is yellow in color and no veins are present (or few at best). This is the bottom of the egg. Turn the egg over and you should see a pink glow and numerous veins. In the middle of the veins you should see what I can best describe as a halo. In the center of the halo will be a black dot(which I believe is actually the eye of the snake). Gently shake the egg, and you will see the black dot move. This is where I put my pencil mark, and place that mark facing skyward in the box. As stated before, Ido this with every egg, and sometimes have had to rotate an egg 180 degrees from the way it was laying under the female.

I hope that helps, and my description was understood. Let me know if you need any clarification.

p.s. For god sake, let us know what the clutch is. LOL.

Good Luck,

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Originally Posted by muddoc

I just recently got a clutch of eggs from a female (that I really, really need to hatch) as well.

p.s. For god sake, let us know what the clutch is. LOL.

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You too Tim. ;)

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Originally Posted by muddoc

Heather,
I just recently got a clutch of eggs from a female (that I really, really need to hatch) as well. These eggs were held together, and did not roll when I removed the female. Even though they remained how she had them, three of them were upside down. I relayed that story mostly to show that they don't always lay them right, even if the don't roll.

With that said, we do candle every one of our eggs and mark the embryo and face it skyward when we place it in the incubator box. I do not know if this is necessary, but I have never lost an egg that had strong veining and no other outward problems upon being laid. Here is how we do it. When you candle the egg, you should see a portion of the egg that is yellow in color and no veins are present (or few at best). This is the bottom of the egg. Turn the egg over and you should see a pink glow and numerous veins. In the middle of the veins you should see what I can best describe as a halo. In the center of the halo will be a black dot(which I believe is actually the eye of the snake). Gently shake the egg, and you will see the black dot move. This is where I put my pencil mark, and place that mark facing skyward in the box. As stated before, Ido this with every egg, and sometimes have had to rotate an egg 180 degrees from the way it was laying under the female.

I hope that helps, and my description was understood. Let me know if you need any clarification.

p.s. For god sake, let us know what the clutch is. LOL.

Good Luck,

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Thanks Tim, this is good information. I don't always candle every egg laid, but I do have good looking eggs go bad on me every year, even ones that I did candle that had good veins. I wonder if this is the reason why? I'll have to pay more attention to what is located where inside the egg and not just look for veins.

* Nervously awaits word on Heather Clutch .. *

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A great thread! More stuff i didnt KNOW about until now! <3 thanks guys!

Looks like you just got some great answers Heather!

Pastels poss het Clown...

And that is actually what I had thought, as I was candling them for like... 20 minutes.

I did have a couple upsidedown at one point, with the band up, but with all of the embryology I took in college, it just didn't make sense. I just needed to have someone else agree with me on that...

Thanks very much, and as much as I hate being the one to have the experimental clutches, I'm glad other people learned about this as well :)

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Pastels poss het Clown...

And that is actually what I had thought, as I was candling them for like... 20 minutes.

I did have a couple upsidedown at one point, with the band up, but with all of the embryology I took in college, it just didn't make sense. I just needed to have someone else agree with me on that...

Thanks very much, and as much as I hate being the one to have the experimental clutches, I'm glad other people learned about this as well :)

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ooh.... if you want to get rid of a girl from that clutch.... :D i have a pos het boy that might LOVE a future girlfriend! :D

I make reference here to a snake I still call 'whoops'. If that little booger survived the scrambling she got, surely the ball gods will favor you as well. Stick em in the 'bator and try not to fret. Sending positive pastel clown vibes your way.....


:gj:


Cheers,
kat

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Pastels poss het Clown...

And that is actually what I had thought, as I was candling them for like... 20 minutes.

I did have a couple upsidedown at one point, with the band up, but with all of the embryology I took in college, it just didn't make sense. I just needed to have someone else agree with me on that...

Thanks very much, and as much as I hate being the one to have the experimental clutches, I'm glad other people learned about this as well :)

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I hope it works out for you Heather. I'm sure it will.

p.s. My clutch was Cinny Het Hypos. Just curious if you did point the embryos up?

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Originally Posted by muddoc

Just curious if you did point the embryos up?

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Yes :)

And good luck with yours too!

Heather I've had eggs roll around the tub like bowling pins after pulling mommy off. All those clutches were laid that day but the times vary between just a couple hours up nearly all day.

I truly believe the embryo doesn't attach very quickly. Maybe even a full day or two before it becomes critical. My experience my be limited but I sure have rolls some eggs like MOFO.

My 2 cents worth.:)

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Originally Posted by Larry Suttles

I sure have rolls some eggs like MOFO.

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Me too...

Scared the living bejeezus out of me too...

I can chalk this up to more of what NOT to do...

Thanks for the imput, Larry :)

Heather I hope you get my favorite morph in every single egg. Love the pastel clown... :love:

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Heather I hope you get my favorite morph in every single egg. Love the pastel clown... :love:

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Well...if I did, that would be the surprise of the century!! :D

;)

Only if my female proves out to be not a normal, but a het clown...

I can wish, right???

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Originally Posted by Larry Suttles

My experience my be limited but I sure have rolls some eggs like MOFO.

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Funniest - post - today. :rofl:

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Originally Posted by muddoc

Heather,
I just recently got a clutch of eggs from a female (that I really, really need to hatch) as well. These eggs were held together, and did not roll when I removed the female. Even though they remained how she had them, three of them were upside down. I relayed that story mostly to show that they don't always lay them right, even if the don't roll.

With that said, we do candle every one of our eggs and mark the embryo and face it skyward when we place it in the incubator box. I do not know if this is necessary, but I have never lost an egg that had strong veining and no other outward problems upon being laid. Here is how we do it. When you candle the egg, you should see a portion of the egg that is yellow in color and no veins are present (or few at best). This is the bottom of the egg. Turn the egg over and you should see a pink glow and numerous veins. In the middle of the veins you should see what I can best describe as a halo. In the center of the halo will be a black dot(which I believe is actually the eye of the snake). Gently shake the egg, and you will see the black dot move. This is where I put my pencil mark, and place that mark facing skyward in the box. As stated before, Ido this with every egg, and sometimes have had to rotate an egg 180 degrees from the way it was laying under the female.

I hope that helps, and my description was understood. Let me know if you need any clarification.

p.s. For god sake, let us know what the clutch is. LOL.

Good Luck,

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Hey Tim, thanks again for this post. I just got my last clutch of the year this past week and when I candled them I paid more attention to where the yolk was positioned in the egg. Sure enough there was one that was upside down so I ripped it out of the cluster and put it in the egg box right side up. I still don't see this halo or the black speck you speak of though. How strong is the light you use for candling?

Mark

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Hey Tim, thanks again for this post. I just got my last clutch of the year this past week and when I candled them I paid more attention to where the yolk was positioned in the egg. Sure enough there was one that was upside down so I ripped it out of the cluster and put it in the egg box right side up. I still don't see this halo or the black speck you speak of though. How strong is the light you use for candling?

Mark

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Mark, I have a mini mag lite that has batteries going dead in it. So my light is minimal at best. However, I normally use one with fresh batteries, and it is easy to see. I can still see it with my dim light, but I guess when you know what you are looking for, it is easy to find. I guess when I get my next clutch of eggs, I'll try to get some photos to post up.