Super Calico

It's been proven. :gj: As if I didn't have enough reason to want one before now...

http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1560175,1560175

What exactly is a "Super Calico" (besides a type of portable machine-gun)? Whatever it is it sure looks hot!

And they're crazy white!! :D

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Originally Posted by Onua Nuva

What exactly is a "Super Calico" (besides a type of portable machine-gun)?

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Why, it's the super form of the calico of course! ;)

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Originally Posted by m00kfu

Why, it's the super form of the calico of course! ;)

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But what is the Calico?

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Originally Posted by Onua Nuva

But what is the Calico?

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http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ll-python.html

It's always hard for me to tell how they are going to look until after the first shed.

Does anyone know what line they proved out?

Sweet, now I can look foward to the Super Calico x Pastel cross :)

Sweet!

Thats pretty sweet looking!

Cant wait to se a better picture after it sheds(all that pink should turn white), that animal is gonna be smokin:gj:

Glad I added one of those to the collection;)

That's a sweet looking snake right there. I think everyone needs to slow down until I have a new job. I'm falling behind on all the cool stuff.

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

I think everyone needs to slow down until I have a new job. I'm falling behind on all the cool stuff.

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Glad im not the only one

Im very happy they proved! I had a feeling they would. It was Doug's line.

Cant wait to make me a super! :D

This is the Guide i just did on Calicos
http://www.nextworldexotics.com/hgcalico.htm

Wow! Very cool! And I just bought a calico male today :)

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Originally Posted by West Coast Jungle

Cant wait to se a better picture after it sheds(all that pink should turn white), that animal is gonna be smokin:gj:

Glad I added one of those to the collection;)

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You have a clali? I didnt know that.,

smoking Super !

woah thats cool:gj:

I can't see the picture!!!! Someone please repoast it! Soon, I'm dieing !!:please:!!

Do it for the banana->:banana:

Link wont work for me!! I want to see. :p

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Originally Posted by Sarin

Link wont work for me!! I want to see. :p

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Its almost two years old

Haha. I hate it when old threads get dug up! And I can't believe I've never seen a Super Calico!

Is this a Super?

http://www.dwherp.com/Wright08.JPG

-Superb Exotics

Someone please find a pic of a super calico and show us!!!!:please::please:

Aw C'mon,

It took me less than 30 seconds to go to google, select images and enter "super calico"+"ball python" and find these three images;

http://livingartreptiles.tripod.com/...g.w300h225.jpg

http://www.dwherp.com/Wright08_2.JPG

http://www.dwherp.com/Wright08.JPG

If you're not going to try why should we? :P


dr del

those are all lovely babies. what i cant seem to find are pics of a super calico adult. or of adult super sugars. those i would like to see.

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Originally Posted by bads15

those are all lovely babies. what i cant seem to find are pics of a super calico adult. or of adult super sugars. those i would like to see.

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Well that would be because according to the first post in this thread, it was proven in the middle of 2008, so the first one wouldn't even be a year and a half old right now.

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Originally Posted by dr del

Aw C'mon,

It took me less than 30 seconds to go to google, select images and enter "super calico"+"ball python" and find these three images;

http://livingartreptiles.tripod.com/...g.w300h225.jpg

http://www.dwherp.com/Wright08_2.JPG

http://www.dwherp.com/Wright08.JPG

If you're not going to try why should we?


dr del

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ow that hurtz:tears:

:rolleyes: :petting: :thumbsup:

So wait a sec here. The first BP I ever bought was a normal for 25 bucks, I asked the lineage and he said it was a result of his butter x calico breeding. So even though she looks normal is there special blood that be flowing in them veins?

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Originally Posted by rab21w

So wait a sec here. The first BP I ever bought was a normal for 25 bucks, I asked the lineage and he said it was a result of his butter x calico breeding. So even though she looks normal is there special blood that be flowing in them veins?

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Butter to Calico can make normals, they are both co-doms.

didn't notice the date on the thread......lol

My turn to do a huge thread bump.......yea that is kinda fun. :D

My question, any updates on this? Did someone actually prove it to be a homozygous calico? or were more produced? I think I have seen heterozygous calicos that were more extreme, was it just a variation of the calico? or was it a homozygous?

Everything I have seen said the Calico was a dominate gene. No super forms??

That's what I thought too but I hadn't seen this thread before. Someone get a hold of Ralph. If anyone would know, it would be him.


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Originally Posted by MS2

Everything I have seen said the Calico was a dominate gene. No super forms??

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This seem to be a common misconception in the ball python world. To truly be a dominant gene, it needs to look the same in heterozygous and homozgyous(super) form, there are only 3 genes I know of that can make that claim. The rest of what we call dominant, we have an unknown homozgyous form. When we call them dominant, we are more just saying they are not recessive. It is why I suggested the use of the term "unproven dominant".

There no reason to think there is no super form of any gene right now, just many are not proven. Which is what sparked my curiosity rereading this thread, 4 or so years later, maybe something has come up? Also say that animal was proven homozygous, would of guys say it looks like some of the nicer examples of the heterozygous calicos we have seen? or is there differences where we would call it inc-dom/co-dom?

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

This seem to be a common misconception in the ball python world. To truly be a dominant gene, it needs to look the same in heterozygous and homozgyous(super) form, there are only 3 genes I know of that can make that claim. The rest of what we call dominant, we have an unknown homozgyous form. When we call them dominant, we are more just saying they are not recessive. It is why I suggested the use of the term "unproven dominant".

There no reason to think there is no super form of any gene right now, just many are not proven. Which is what sparked my curiosity rereading this thread, 4 or so years later, maybe something has come up? Also say that animal was proven homozygous, would of guys say it looks like some of the nicer examples of the heterozygous calicos we have seen? or is there differences where we would call it inc-dom/co-dom?

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I was wondering this exact thing. I wonder if it could be


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As far as I know it is just a dominate gene, there is no super form but calicos can vary in visual quality significantly such as pieds do. There are also at least 3 lines of calicos which all look significantly different from each other.

The link won't work for me but I do have a question and some input. Has this super calico been bred out or is this just a high white calico that someone is calling a super calico? Calico is pretty polymorphic from what I have seen and the only way I'm going to believe that a calico is a "super" is if this bad boy or girl has been bred and produces nothing but calicos until then it's just a high white calico in my opinion.

I keep getting told there is no dominant traits in ball pythons

Super spiders, super pinstripes, super calico and all those "dominant" traits must have a super form.
But there's no proof since they all die in the egg, during development of the follicle, or after hatching.
Good luck getting any proof on the calico, we can't even figure out the spider or pinstripe genes :P

If that were the case wouldn't people who are dealing with so called dominant traits end up having significantly reduced production of viable hatchlings? Whether it be less eggs, more infertile eggs, dead in the egg, or dead shortly after hatching (such as the pearl). I'm new to BPs but I have not come across any evidence which suggests that all these dominant traits are actually co-dom and that the super form is fatal.

The walking thread...
:D

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

I keep getting told there is no dominant traits in ball pythons

Super spiders, super pinstripes, super calico and all those "dominant" traits must have a super form.
But there's no proof since they all die in the egg, during development of the follicle, or after hatching.
Good luck getting any proof on the calico, we can't even figure out the spider or pinstripe genes :P

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We've been through this before..... Pinstripe has evidence of being truly dominant and there is zero evidence to suggest a lethal homozygous form, yet you keep repeating it is lethal. Here we have claims of a homozygous calico...might be proven by now, hence the thread revival.

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Originally Posted by OctagonGecko729

If that were the case wouldn't people who are dealing with so called dominant traits end up having significantly reduced production of viable hatchlings? Whether it be less eggs, more infertile eggs, dead in the egg, or dead shortly after hatching (such as the pearl). I'm new to BPs but I have not come across any evidence which suggests that all these dominant traits are actually co-dom and that the super form is fatal.

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Well the spider it may be the case, in the few people who have posted actual numbers, there was a slug or two in the clutch. Also somewhat recently someone posted a picture of a dead white snake that they said came from a spider x spider pairing. I just find it odd this is the first time someone publicly posted one. But then again, I've never seen someone attempt to prove out a homozygous spider. Nothings set in stone but recent evidence isn't looking good for the homozygous spider.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

We've been through this before..... Pinstripe has evidence of being truly dominant and there is zero evidence to suggest a lethal homozygous form, yet you keep repeating it is lethal. Here we have claims of a homozygous calico...might be proven by now, hence the thread revival.

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I don't think it's lethal, I don't think it exist period :P
Joe Ellis, let's put a name on this, is the one who is so sure that there is no such thing as a dominant trait in ball pythons.
Maybe Joe would be so nice to come explain?

I care less actually, I hope there is no super forms of these dominant traits, it will only kill the market even more for those genetics.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

Well the spider it may be the case, in the few people who have posted actual numbers, there was a slug or two in the clutch. Also somewhat recently someone posted a picture of a dead white snake that they said came from a spider x spider pairing. I just find it odd this is the first time someone publicly posted one. But then again, I've never seen someone attempt to prove out a homozygous spider. Nothings set in stone but recent evidence isn't looking good for the homozygous spider.

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Hopefully that is not the case, I'm going to be running several spider combo crosses and half sibling breeding in the next 1-4 years. I'll post the results here of course.

Where is the picture of this supposed homozygous spider that was dead? Do you know the parent morphs?

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Originally Posted by OctagonGecko729

Hopefully that is not the case, I'm going to be running several spider combo crosses and half sibling breeding in the next 1-4 years. I'll post the results here of course.

Where is the picture of this supposed homozygous spider that was dead? Do you know the parent morphs?

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The thread was on blbc ill find it when I get home, i barely get Internet out here.

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

I don't think it's lethal, I don't think it exist period :P
Joe Ellis, let's put a name on this, is the one who is so sure that there is no such thing as a dominant trait in ball pythons.
Maybe Joe would be so nice to come explain?

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I would gladly talk to him.


as for the thread I was referring to, post 13 http://www.reptileradio.net/reptiler...Spider-Results, now personally I think people are quick to jump to set in stone lethal homozygous, especially since this is the first one to ever be posted (that I know of), But it is no doubt damning evidence. Repeat it with another unrelated pair of spiders... I think we have our answer, even if it takes many attempts to get one to go full term.

I'm completely new to BPs as a whole. How long has the spider gene been available to the masses? In the $500-1500 range? I know Kevin does a ton of spider x spider stuff but I can't imagine he is the only one doing it on a massive scale. A homozygous spider (if lethal) would produce a 25% reduction in offspring right? So you would "statistically" always lose at least one egg. I would think that folks would have noticed that by now, that every spider x spider cross produces 1/4th reduction. Also, back to the pinstripe deal, if a homozygous pinstripe could exist wouldn't it act like a super form? All offspring would have one visual gene in them right, which has not to my knowledge ever been proven. Isn't it completely possible that spider is simply a dominant trait which has no homozygous form?

I am planning on crossing one male spider combo with two female spider combos when the females are up to size. So I'll post my findings but that won't be till January 2014 or so.


NM all that ^...I reread your points two-three posts back, makes sense.