what morphs are needed to produce a fire-ball?

hey yall was wanting to get into breeding in the not so near future and wanted to do some research what morphs are needed to produce a fireball?

Another fireball or black eye lucy ;)

Fires are a base morph.

You need one to make more...

Or you can get a Black eye Leucistic and make a lot more :D

lol ok that clears that up i actually wanted to get the fireballs so that i could try to get a lucy i love those things. forgive me for any ignorance i may display im not too knowledgeable in the genetics area and that is why im trying to do research and learn before i even attempt to breed anything more high end than a normal ill do one or 2 dry runs with normals first tho i already have my male and my female normal and they should be ready in about a year. so i guess that means that there is no such as a het for a fireball? you know such as albino hets and the likes? or is it just you get a fire or you have a normal?

yeah, theres no *het* for fireball.. on another note its cool man you shouldn't feel any shame for asking questions, no one here was born knowing what makes what.

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Originally Posted by Athen

lol ok that clears that up i actually wanted to get the fireballs so that i could try to get a lucy i love those things. forgive me for any ignorance i may display im not too knowledgeable in the genetics area and that is why im trying to do research and learn before i even attempt to breed anything more high end than a normal ill do one or 2 dry runs with normals first tho i already have my male and my female normal and they should be ready in about a year. so i guess that means that there is no such as a het for a fireball? you know such as albino hets and the likes? or is it just you get a fire or you have a normal?

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The Fire ball is co-dominant and is het for Black Eyed Leucists.
You will have to buy a Fire and when bred to a normal you should get 50% Fires and 50% normals.
If you breed two Fires together you have a 25% chance of hitting the jackpot and produce a Lucy.

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Originally Posted by Athen

lol ok that clears that up i actually wanted to get the fireballs so that i could try to get a lucy i love those things. forgive me for any ignorance i may display im not too knowledgeable in the genetics area and that is why im trying to do research and learn before i even attempt to breed anything more high end than a normal ill do one or 2 dry runs with normals first tho i already have my male and my female normal and they should be ready in about a year. so i guess that means that there is no such as a het for a fireball? you know such as albino hets and the likes? or is it just you get a fire or you have a normal?

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If you just like the lucys then you could produce them another / cheaper way. There are black eyed lucys and blue eyed lucys. To the best of my knowledge, the only way to produce a black eyed lucy is to breed two fires together. But if you would like to produce a blue eyed lucy, then there are may different ways. The cheapest is to buy a male and female mojave, and breed them together. Each egg has a 1/4 chance to come out blue eyed lucy.

Hope this helps.

As was already mentioned, fire is a co-dominant trait. What may need a little clarification is the het (heterozygous) terminology. It was said that there is no "het for fire". Thats true. BUT... a fire IS a het. It carries one of the alleles for the black eyed leucistic. So, it could be called "het for black eyed leucistic". The black eyed leucistic is the homozygous form, it carries both alleles for the fire trait.

Steve

ok i understand all that about the no het for fire now =) thx. and as far as the blue eyed lucy those are awesome too and i was intending on trying to get a couple mojaves or would i be able to do it with one and just breed it to one of my normals? i know it would take more time cause then id have to wait for the mojave's that are produced to come to breeding age. but the holy grail for me is the black eyed lucy and it is my ultimate goal to have one and it would be very satisfying if i were to be able to breed one but i suppose that with the price of fires i would be better off getting some mojaves and producing some blue eyeds and selling them and using the return from that to get the fires =) gotta take everything in steps one at a time

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

The cheapest is to buy a male and female mojave, and breed them together. Each egg has a 1/4 chance to come out blue eyed lucy.

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Yea, but that Lucy will have a dirty head :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Originally Posted by Athen

ok i understand all that about the no het for fire now =) thx. and as far as the blue eyed lucy those are awesome too and i was intending on trying to get a couple mojaves or would i be able to do it with one and just breed it to one of my normals? i know it would take more time cause then id have to wait for the mojave's that are produced to come to breeding age. but the holy grail for me is the black eyed lucy and it is my ultimate goal to have one and it would be very satisfying if i were to be able to breed one but i suppose that with the price of fires i would be better off getting some mojaves and producing some blue eyeds and selling them and using the return from that to get the fires =) gotta take everything in steps one at a time

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If you have a normal female but a male fire. Breed the fire to the normal and statistically 50% of the clutch will be fires. Hope for a female fire, raise her up and breed her back to dad.

Same thing for the blue eyed Lucy, just insert Mojave for Fire...

My take on this is to get what you want and not try and breed this to get that to then hope that youll someday have the animal that you intended to buy in the first place...If you like Fire's buy a Fire if you like Mojave buy a mojave ...you'll be happier with your collection if you just get into the project your passionate ablut in the first place..
Kevin

umm lol that comment on a dirty head totally confused me i dont get it

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Originally Posted by PhillyBoyInTN

Yea, but that Lucy will have a dirty head :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Maybe some people don't mind the dirty head lucy's! But I think he said he wanted a black eye'd so I guess he would mind!

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Originally Posted by KMS

My take on this is to get what you want and not try and breed this to get that to then hope that youll someday have the animal that you intended to buy in the first place...If you like Fire's buy a Fire if you like Mojave buy a mojave ...you'll be happier with your collection if you just get into the project your passionate ablut in the first place..
Kevin

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Kevin-
i fully understan you stand point and it is very logical but there are a couple reasons is rather go the breeding route one is that i am a total DIY person i get much more satisfaction and would rather build it myself than buy one premade as long as its in my abilities and i see this as the same thing i would be so much more satisfied by breeding my own lucy than buying one because i know i made it =) and the other reason is that the price tag on a lucy is insane and i just couldnt achieve that now and probably for a long long time if ever but i understand the reason for the price alot of time and effort goes in to it =)

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Originally Posted by Athen

umm lol that comment on a dirty head totally confused me i dont get it

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Mojos produce a blue-eyed lucy that is not completely white. It will have some light markings on the head and maybe the body. I don't think it's ugly. But if you want all white...get the fires (or lessers.)

That's why Mojos are cheaper they don't produce a "clean" snake.

i understand =) i like both the blue eyed and the black eyed id like one of both! what would happen if you bred the 2 together? hmmm....

Athen...What IO meant is if you want a fire buy a fire dont buy some mojaves wit hthe intent to breed them to produce a Blue eye lucy ....The cost of feeding them and only if the female does give you fertile eggs could be several seasons before you could get a Fire....

I hear you on the 'ultimate goal' thing. :) My ultimate is a Bumblebee, and they are still way too expensive for me to just get one. Instead, since I have a very nice pastel male, I will save up for a spider female (MUCH more affordable) and try for the 1/4 chance.

Basically, if you can afford to get the snake you really like...you should get that snake. If you love breeding, and are prepared and can do it right, then go that road. Do what you want to do. :)

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Originally Posted by Athen

i understand =) i like both the blue eyed and the black eyed id like one of both! what would happen if you bred the 2 together? hmmm....

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You'd have a 25% chance of normals, 25% chance of mojaves, 25% chance of fires, and a 25% chance of a fire mojave. (sorry, no white snake)