Interesting Craigslist ad

I was just browsing the Rhode Island craigslist and saw this.

"I have a 22ft reticulated python male that you can have for free if interested. I have tried since it was a baby to calm it down and it is just never going to happen. It is a project to clean his room you need three people, one to hold his head and two on the body. He will continuously strike at you and is very very feisty. I have 4 others that are great but this one is mental I am not going to lie it is MENTAL. If your interested please contact me and make sure that you have experience with a snake of this size because its not the same as a red tail boa thats 8ft and can barely kill a rat that people walk down the street with to show off. If your serious and have a place for him (no tanks are made big enough you need something custom I sub divided my basement in four segments for these guys) Contact me there is no re-homing fee and I will help you move him. He is also eating 1 pig a week or a couple chickens."

subdivided his basement ?? Holy crap lol

Sounds like this guy just is trying to pass the buck...

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Sounds like this guy just is trying to pass the buck...

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Well he is being completely honest about it so I don't see a problem. he admits he just doesnt want to deal with it ;)

Who can blame him!? i wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing there is a 22ft snake that is that mean in my basement!

pig a week seems excessive.

This is whats wrong with this hobby and why its in jeopardy. If the animal is that aggressive why on earch would you feed it up to that size and then continue to overfeed it.

Nick

I would make a few belts and 40 pairs of boots with him

What should the guy do? Is there anything he CAN do to help the snake? Or should it be put down?

There really is NO easy way to deal with this situation.

It should be put in a zoo or put down. If it's aggressive, having it as a pet will not be realistic at this point. :[

yeah, honestly, its great that he is being honest, but being huge like that, and mean, a zoo or something or putting it down... =[

someone should contact the guy and suggest a zoo for sure. the animal should NOT be put down because it's agressive. that's kind of illogical. i wonder why it's so agressive? either way i feel bad for the animal and wish it the best.

either that or yeah, it would probably make some nice purses. but thats kind of sick to think of >< !!!

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Originally Posted by ViciousBliss

someone should contact the guy and suggest a zoo for sure. the animal should NOT be put down because it's agressive. that's kind of illogical.

either that or yeah, it would probably make some nice purses. but thats kind of sick to think of >< !!!

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I don't understand the issue with this ad? He is the most upfront I've seen on craigslist.

How is putting down a 22 foot snake because it is aggressive wrong? Something that size is nothing to mess around with and if he can't care for it and if he couldn't find anywhere else to care for it, it sounds like a good last option.

It also sounds like he gave it proper space and he is responsible. The feeding maybe an issue, but you have no idea how large of meals he is feeding it and retics generally eat bigger meals to begin with, they are not ball pythons.

Sounds like people are jumping on this guy for doing an honest thing and giving up a snake he can't take care of.

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Originally Posted by moespeaking

pig a week seems excessive.

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You wouldn't need a pig a week. If you can find decent sized pigs or goats or whatever, they can go on a few meals a year.

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Originally Posted by Nick Mutton

This is whats wrong with this hobby and why its in jeopardy. If the animal is that aggressive why on earch would you feed it up to that size and then continue to overfeed it.

Nick

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Know how I can tell this is a lie? You will never find a male retic at 22 feet.

Donley, contact the seller and find out if this is for real. I can guarantee it's not because as I said, male retics do not get 22'.

Euthanasia is not the right way to go about it in any way...period. Why would it be needed? The snake is healthy, and sounds like its getting decent care, although I don't quite agree with the room for an enclosure deal..As for it being a 22' male....I'll put my paycheck on it, its not. It's either a mis-sexed female, or its actually smaller. Most of the "giant snakes" reported tend to shrink when stacked up against a measuring tape...

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Originally Posted by Nick Mutton

This is whats wrong with this hobby and why its in jeopardy. If the animal is that aggressive why on earch would you feed it up to that size and then continue to overfeed it.

Nick

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I really don't understand your point...

Your saying that someone feeding their animal in a healthy manner is whats wrong with the hobby? Maintenance feeding any giant normally leaves them at smaller sizes, with irritable temperaments. Why do it? Just because you want something smaller doesn't mean you should feed them conservatively. If you want something smaller, buy something smaller...He never mentioned releasing it either. So where did that comment come from?

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

There really is NO easy way to deal with this situation.

It should be put in a zoo or put down. If it's aggressive, having it as a pet will not be realistic at this point. :[

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How is it unrealistic to own something like that as a pet? They are for the experienced keeper, but just because it is surreal to you, doesn't make it so. I'm still having a hard time understanding majority of your posts....

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Originally Posted by RKO

Donley, contact the seller and find out if this is for real. I can guarantee it's not because as I said, male retics do not get 22'.

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Maybe he bought it as a male and because of it's temperament, doesn't feel like verifying the sex?
I have also found people also seem to add a few feet to animals that are really large due to estimating instead of actually measuring.
The guy is being upfront. The snake is large and agressive and needs an experienced keeper.
Underfeeding this snake will just make it more agressive. He should be feeding it normally like he is.
Why put it down? Retics are not ball pythons. Some are docile, some are psycho, ALL need to be respected.
An experienced large boid keeper can deal with this snake. He probably can too but decided it is too much of a hassle.
Trying to place the animal rather than neglect it and want an experienced keeper to take it due to the size and temperament is a good thing IMO.
You may not need a room size enclosure but you definitely need a custom cage. Not a glass fish tank. Hopefully saying you need a room will prevent the people that think keeping a big snake would be cool from asking for it and going to the nearest Petland to buy a fish tank and screen top.

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Originally Posted by SPJ

Maybe he bought it as a male and because of it's temperament, doesn't feel like verifying the sex?
I have also found people also seem to add a few feet to animals that are really large due to estimating instead of actually measuring.
The guy is being upfront. The snake is large and agressive and needs an experienced keeper.
Underfeeding this snake will just make it more agressive. He should be feeding it normally like he is.
Why put it down? Retics are not ball pythons. Some are docile, some are psycho, ALL need to be respected.
An experienced large boid keeper can deal with this snake. He probably can too but decided it is too much of a hassle.
Trying to place the animal rather than neglect it and want an experienced keeper to take it due to the size and temperament is a good thing IMO.
You may not need a room size enclosure but you definitely need a custom cage. Not a glass fish tank. Hopefully saying you need a room will prevent the people that think keeping a big snake would be cool from asking for it and going to the nearest Petland to buy a fish tank and screen top.

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Exactly man. Good points.

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

Euthanasia is not the right way to go about it in any way...period. Why would it be needed? The snake is healthy, and sounds like its getting decent care, although I don't quite agree with the room for an enclosure deal..As for it being a 22' male....I'll put my paycheck on it, its not. It's either a mis-sexed female, or its actually smaller. Most of the "giant snakes" reported tend to shrink when stacked up against a measuring tape...


I really don't understand your point...

Your saying that someone feeding their animal in a healthy manner is whats wrong with the hobby? Maintenance feeding any giant normally leaves them at smaller sizes, with irritable temperaments. Why do it? Just because you want something smaller doesn't mean you should feed them conservatively. If you want something smaller, buy something smaller...He never mentioned releasing it either. So where did that comment come from?

How is it unrealistic to own something like that as a pet? They are for the experienced keeper, but just because it is surreal to you, doesn't make it so. I'm still having a hard time understanding majority of your posts....

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What does that mean?

I simply meant, that he clearly didn't think about this possibility in the first place. Now he has to give it up, and gladly he's doing it in a responsible way (not letting it into the wild). But there is no good way to go about it because theres probably not going to be anyone willing to take a 22ft aggressive animal such as that. Yes, it's probably smaller or mis-sexed but it's still probably not going to be sold or go anywhere but a zoo or some type of shelter.
I understand that this is out of my range of experience and I obviously would never buy an animal of that size (personally) and I know many other people would be ok with that, but I don't know how easy it would be for most.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

What does that mean?

I simply meant, that he clearly didn't think about this possibility in the first place. Now he has to give it up, and gladly he's doing it in a responsible way (not letting it into the wild). But there is no good way to go about it because theres probably not going to be anyone willing to take a 22ft aggressive animal such as that. Yes, it's probably smaller or mis-sexed but it's still probably not going to be sold or go anywhere but a zoo or some type of shelter.
I understand that this is out of my range of experience and I obviously would never buy an animal of that size (personally) and I know many other people would be ok with that, but I don't know how easy it would be for most.

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I wouldn't say that he didn't think about it. He has 4 retics, and having raised this one from a baby to 22 feet took several years. He's obviously not a novice. Like others have said, he probably got tired of it, is getting out of the hobby, or whatever.

Ya'll can't fault him for being honest. If he wants to get rid of it, that's his option. He's going about it in a responsible honest manner.

And euthanasia is ludicrous. Reticulated pythons are not puppy dogs, and they're not balls. They aren't tame, domesticated, or something you're going to put a little dress on and walk around the dog park. They deserve respect, and a healthy working relationship. It's like putting down a pet alligator for eating your cat.

People seem to lose sight of the fact that at the end of the day, captive bred or not, these are wild animals we're dealing with here. Sometimes despite good care and interaction some snakes are aggressive regardless. Euthanasia is not an answer for that.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

What does that mean?

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It means that you lack the experience to even comment in the way you did. The giant hobby is a whole other ball game...leave it be till you've got your hands wet...

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

I simply meant, that he clearly didn't think about this possibility in the first place. Now he has to give it up, and gladly he's doing it in a responsible way (not letting it into the wild).

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If he has raised this animal as a hatchling, up to the size he has, which would take well over half a decade, I do believe he has thought about the possibilities. On that same note, he owns other Retics. If he's feeding pigs (whichever size appropriate) on a weekly basis...pigs are expensive, and do require some dedication to give it the necessary food intake. He could have pulled the whole maintenance feeding BS, and fed it rats or rabbits, but chose to go about things in a manner that had the Retics health in mind...

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

But there is no good way to go about it because theres probably not going to be anyone willing to take a 22ft aggressive animal such as that. Yes, it's probably smaller or mis-sexed but it's still probably not going to be sold or go anywhere but a zoo or some type of shelter.

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Again, you comment on something you know nothing about. Why not let an experienced keeper reply or comment on that? It's just making you look bad. You've probably read about all the abandoned giants everyone has at shelters etc etc, until it comes time for adoption and there are very few available. Truth is, Ball Pythons, Boa constrictor imperator, the common Corn Snake, King snakes, Rat snakes, Monitor Lizards, even frogs ALL circulate through the animal shelters in much worse shape than giants do, and with much more regularity. There are a great number of hobbyists, breeders, etc, that would take the opportunity to give this animal a chance. Euthanasia is far from necessary, as I've stated before.

If there was no good way to go about it, the animal would no longer be in his care...
He went about it the right way by looking for a home. He could have other ads put up for adoption on any of the various reptile forums. Who's to say?

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

I understand that this is out of my range of experience and I obviously would never buy an animal of that size (personally) and I know many other people would be ok with that, but I don't know how easy it would be for most.

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And that is where you are separated from him. He seems to know about basic husbandry skills and nutrition requirements, as well as size. You don't seem to comprehend that, and in turn, comment like you've owned a couple dozen. If this is out of your experience range, "Why" comment...especially in the way you have? Honestly, who in this thread has raised a handful of giants? How many have raised at least one? I'm not speaking of a Red-tail Boa either...They're far from giant...

Perhaps this is an extra male he just doesn't need for his breeding projects? You don't see anyone getting bashed for selling off extra males of other species.

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

It means that you lack the experience to even comment in the way you did. The giant hobby is a whole other ball game...leave it be till you've got your hands wet...

If he has raised this animal as a hatchling, up to the size he has, which would take well over half a decade, I do believe he has thought about the possibilities. On that same note, he owns other Retics. If he's feeding pigs (whichever size appropriate) on a weekly basis...pigs are expensive, and do require some dedication to give it the necessary food intake. He could have pulled the whole maintenance feeding BS, and fed it rats or rabbits, but chose to go about things in a manner that had the Retics health in mind...


Again, you comment on something you know nothing about. Why not let an experienced keeper reply or comment on that? It's just making you look bad. You've probably read about all the abandoned giants everyone has at shelters etc etc, until it comes time for adoption and there are very few available. Truth is, Ball Pythons, Boa constrictor imperator, the common Corn Snake, King snakes, Rat snakes, Monitor Lizards, even frogs ALL circulate through the animal shelters in much worse shape than giants do, and with much more regularity. There are a great number of hobbyists, breeders, etc, that would take the opportunity to give this animal a chance. Euthanasia is far from necessary, as I've stated before.

If there was no good way to go about it, the animal would no longer be in his care...
He went about it the right way by looking for a home. He could have other ads put up for adoption on any of the various reptile forums. Who's to say?


And that is where you are separated from him. He seems to know about basic husbandry skills and nutrition requirements, as well as size. You don't seem to comprehend that, and in turn, comment like you've owned a couple dozen. If this is out of your experience range, "Why" comment...especially in the way you have? Honestly, who in this thread has raised a handful of giants? How many have raised at least one? I'm not speaking of a Red-tail Boa either...They're far from giant...

Perhaps this is an extra male he just doesn't need for his breeding projects? You don't see anyone getting bashed for selling off extra males of other species.

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My original post was my opinion just like everyone else's. I don't understand why my post was immediately drawn upon when most people here that posted as well haven't owned a large animal such as this either. I know I have no experience, but I was stating my opinion as well as stating that I had no experience in the first place.
Yes, I'm sure I have only heard the bad side of the story with all the burms and large snakes being released into the wild, getting killed, exc.
You don't have to get so angry about it. I posted a two sentence opinion, not a giant explanation on what knowing more about this type of situation than anyone else. I don't think there is an easy way to go about this situation because giving it up will be hard as well as finding someone to purchase it. It'll be difficult to move too, so I donno, but I think it's just a very hard situation to be in and would prefer to not be in it myself.

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Originally Posted by ncbloods

I wouldn't say that he didn't think about it. He has 4 retics, and having raised this one from a baby to 22 feet took several years. He's obviously not a novice. Like others have said, he probably got tired of it, is getting out of the hobby, or whatever.

Ya'll can't fault him for being honest. If he wants to get rid of it, that's his option. He's going about it in a responsible honest manner.

And euthanasia is ludicrous. Reticulated pythons are not puppy dogs, and they're not balls. They aren't tame, domesticated, or something you're going to put a little dress on and walk around the dog park. They deserve respect, and a healthy working relationship. It's like putting down a pet alligator for eating your cat.

People seem to lose sight of the fact that at the end of the day, captive bred or not, these are wild animals we're dealing with here. Sometimes despite good care and interaction some snakes are aggressive regardless. Euthanasia is not an answer for that.

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Agreed, I don't think it should be put down either. However, that may not be what someone else might think, and that someone else might decide to put it down. :[

It doesn't appear that the size of this animal is the issue as much as the aggression. I can only imagine the difficulties one would have finding a home for a large animal such as this after all it's at a point where it can't be shipped -- so it would have to be local -- and then it's aggressive as well -- good luck.

Whereas it is always sad to hear of an animal being put to sleep -- you have to remember that every day dogs that are aggressive and considered non adoptable are put down as well. :tears: And it would be better than doing something irresponsible such as letting it loose. Not saying it's right -- but if every effort is made to find it a home and none can be found -- perhaps the lesser of two evils.

That being said Craigslist was probably the wrong place to try to off load this type of animal -- maybe Bob Clark needs another Fluffy or knows of someone that might be able to help out.

Its an unfortunate situation all around.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

My original post was my opinion just like everyone else's. I don't understand why my post was immediately drawn upon when most people here that posted as well haven't owned a large animal such as this either. I know I have no experience, but I was stating my opinion as well as stating that I had no experience in the first place.
Yes, I'm sure I have only heard the bad side of the story with all the burms and large snakes being released into the wild, getting killed, exc.
You don't have to get so angry about it. I posted a two sentence opinion, not a giant explanation on what knowing more about this type of situation than anyone else. I don't think there is an easy way to go about this situation because giving it up will be hard as well as finding someone to purchase it. It'll be difficult to move too, so I donno, but I think it's just a very hard situation to be in and would prefer to not be in it myself.

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I stated an opinion on multiple users posts, not just yours. Don't make yourself out to be a victim. If you have no experience, it leaves your opinion with little credibility...end of that. Am I getting angry? Somewhat.... You've jumped how many of my posts, trying to correct me with flase information. Get over yourself. You don't know as much as your making it out to be. If you have no experience, it shouldn't be a subject you should try and touch. As for finding someone to purchase it. How many people are in the USA? How many of those love animals? As for shipping...its called Delta ;) Nuff said......

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

What does that mean?

I simply meant, that he clearly didn't think about this possibility in the first place. Now he has to give it up, and gladly he's doing it in a responsible way (not letting it into the wild). But there is no good way to go about it because theres probably not going to be anyone willing to take a 22ft aggressive animal such as that. Yes, it's probably smaller or mis-sexed but it's still probably not going to be sold or go anywhere but a zoo or some type of shelter.
I understand that this is out of my range of experience and I obviously would never buy an animal of that size (personally) and I know many other people would be ok with that, but I don't know how easy it would be for most.

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Personally I know of a person (a pretty good friend of mine) who would take this animal in if it was within a few hours drive. He seems to have a thing for the big ones with the "misunderstood" tempermants. :rolleyes:
I have had these animals in the past and decided it's better to take a ride to interact with them rather than keep them here any more. You really need to own one of these animals to appreciate what it is like to keep them. The food bill is crazy, you NEED a second person there when taking them out, watch out when the "floodgates" open with a retic (I can just imagine what it would be like with a 20 plus footer because I know a 12 footer makes a shooting mess EVERYWHERE), and the caging/heating is expensive.
Someone with experience who is close enough to transport the snake will most likely turn up. It just takes time. It seems to me from what the ad stated that he is taking good care of it in the meantime.

Wait. Rhode Island?
Hmm. Gonna make a call.

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Originally Posted by Tosha_Mc

Whereas it is always sad to hear of an animal being put to sleep -- you have to remember that every day dogs that are aggressive and considered non adoptable are put down as well. :tears: And it would be better than doing something irresponsible such as letting it loose. Not saying it's right -- but if every effort is made to find it a home and none can be found -- perhaps the lesser of two evils.

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That's the difference though. Unless you're Michael Vick, you buy a dog with the assumption that it is a domesticated animal and will be non-aggressive given proper upbringing. If you make that same assumption with a snake, you're fooling yourself. Sure, most snakes with an attentive keeper aren't aggressive, but they're not ever tame. Heck, my most easy-going boa bit the absolute piss out of my arm last night.

What I find funny is that he has had it since it was a baby and it was nasty way back when and now at 22 feet he is finally realizing that it may not calm down.

LOL!

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Originally Posted by mrmertz

What I find funny is that he has had it since it was a baby and it was nasty way back when and now at 22 feet he is finally realizing that it may not calm down.

LOL!

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How is that funny? They don't calm down in days. Some take years of work to get on the right track, and docile...or atleast safe to work with. I see no humor in it....

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

How is that funny? They don't calm down in days. Some take years of work to get on the right track, and docile...or atleast safe to work with. I see no humor in it....

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Well it's like... You are losing a basketball game from the very beginning... it's now the last minute and you are down by 25 and you are thinking... Hmm, I may not win this one....

If you catch my drift :P

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Originally Posted by LizardofOzz

Well it's like... You are losing a basketball game from the very beginning... it's now the last minute and you are down by 25 and you are thinking... Hmm, I may not win this one....

If you catch my drift :P

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No, I got that part just fine. I just don't find it funny that someone put that kind of work into their animal, and they get laughed at....If you catch my drift....

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Originally Posted by LizardofOzz

Well it's like... You are losing a basketball game from the very beginning... it's now the last minute and you are down by 25 and you are thinking... Hmm, I may not win this one....

If you catch my drift :P

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fw1CcxCUgg

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

No, I got that part just fine. I just don't find it funny that someone put that kind of work into their animal, and they get laughed at....If you catch my drift....

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Lighten up a little :rolleye2: Was just a joke hehe

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fw1CcxCUgg

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I know it's off topic, but that was really heartwarming. :]

I don't know that Craig's List is the best place to advertise an animal like this, but I give a lot of credit to the guy for trying.

For those who are complaining about the idea of euthanizing the snake consider this. If it were an aggressive dog that bit a few people most of you would happily see it euthanized. We're not talking a cuddly little kitten here. It's a large aggressive animal that could EASILY kill someone. As much as I love snakes that's simply not an acceptable exchange no matter how much we might want to pretend it is.

But hopefully the right person will get the snake and nothing more will come of it.

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Originally Posted by bsd13

I don't know that Craig's List is the best place to advertise an animal like this, but I give a lot of credit to the guy for trying.

For those who are complaining about the idea of euthanizing the snake consider this. If it were an aggressive dog that bit a few people most of you would happily see it euthanized. We're not talking a cuddly little kitten here. It's a large aggressive animal that could EASILY kill someone. As much as I love snakes that's simply not an acceptable exchange no matter how much we might want to pretend it is.

But hopefully the right person will get the snake and nothing more will come of it.

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Now tell me who the snake bit, other than the owner? Your comparing two completely different scenarios here. The snake isn't wandering the neighborhood biting people out of nowhere.....

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Originally Posted by LizardofOzz

Lighten up a little :rolleye2: Was just a joke hehe

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i agree with liz of oz...

lighten up.
seriously...
im kind of sick and tired of people like this who think that we really are taking everything so serious.

if you cant take a joke or see any humor or any good...

you really shouldnt be on here.
people like that need to go chill and watch some family guy lol

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Originally Posted by FIEND_FO_LYFE

i agree with liz of oz...

lighten up.
seriously...
im kind of sick and tired of people like this who think that we really are taking everything so serious.

if you cant take a joke or see any humor or any good...

you really shouldnt be on here.
people like that need to go chill and watch some family guy lol

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As its been said on other threads as well to others. Nobody is forcing you to be on this forum, read the threads, or reply.

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

As its been said on other threads as well to others. Nobody is forcing you to be on this forum, read the threads, or reply.

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im not saying anything about that,
what my point is, was bassically...


"IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING NICE TO SAY, THEN DONT SAY IT"

its just respect for everyone....
and alot of people take stuff a little too serious...

for no real reson...

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Originally Posted by FIEND_FO_LYFE

im not saying anything about that,
what my point is, was bassically...


"IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING NICE TO SAY, THEN DONT SAY IT"

its just respect for everyone....
and alot of people take stuff a little too serious...

for no real reson...

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LOL...I put down fact, information, and opinion. Now you have some that laughed at him, jokingly or not. How is that nice? You have others talking about him being a negligent owner, etc. When whats funny is from what I see, he has more experience than about 90% of the posters in this thread when it comes to Retics....hmmm....is it just me or...naw....can't just be me....

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

LOL...I put down fact, information, and opinion. Now you have some that laughed at him, jokingly or not. How is that nice? You have others talking about him being a negligent owner, etc. When whats funny is from what I see, he has more experience than about 90% of the posters in this thread when it comes to Retics....hmmm....is it just me or...naw....can't just be me....

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noone made fun of this person, nor did they fully say he was a bad keeper.

maybe you need to a little better reading...
just because we laugh or make little jokes, doesnt mean we are trying to say this guy is bad, or be mean...

here, ill put you on the spot...

i just assume you cant produce A SINGLE QUOTE FROM ONE PERSON BESIDES YOURSELF BEING RUDE, OR MEAN TOWARD THIS PERSON WITH THE RETIC.

please show it to me.
that would be great.

thanks.

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Originally Posted by FIEND_FO_LYFE

noone made fun of this person, nor did they fully say he was a bad keeper.

maybe you need to a little better reading...
just because we laugh or make little jokes, doesnt mean we are trying to say this guy is bad, or be mean...

here, ill put you on the spot...

i just assume you cant produce A SINGLE QUOTE FROM ONE PERSON BESIDES YOURSELF BEING RUDE, OR MEAN TOWARD THIS PERSON WITH THE RETIC.

please show it to me.
that would be great.

thanks.

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Hmmmm, Re-read, and came up with this, straight out of this thread...Now, Where were we again? Oh...maybe you should "read a little better" ;) There is more than a single quote...looks more like a half a dozen. Some judging his mentality, or capabilities. Others just being rude. Now you tell me where they've owned any giants, and how many. How many have they raised to the size in question...How many have you?...

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Sounds like this guy just is trying to pass the buck...

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Originally Posted by moespeaking

Pig a week seems excessive.

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Originally Posted by Nick Mutton

This is whats wrong with this hobby and why its in jeopardy. If the animal is that aggressive why on earch would you feed it up to that size and then continue to overfeed it.

Nick

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

There really is NO easy way to deal with this situation.

It should be put in a zoo or put down. If it's aggressive, having it as a pet will not be realistic at this point. :[

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

I simply meant, that he clearly didn't think about this possibility in the first place. Now he has to give it up, and gladly he's doing it in a responsible way (not letting it into the wild).

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Originally Posted by mrmertz

What I find funny is that he has had it since it was a baby and it was nasty way back when and now at 22 feet he is finally realizing that it may not calm down.

LOL!

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Originally Posted by ncbloods

That's the difference though. Unless you're Michael Vick, you buy a dog with the assumption that it is a domesticated animal and will be non-aggressive given proper upbringing. If you make that same assumption with a snake, you're fooling yourself. Sure, most snakes with an attentive keeper aren't aggressive, but they're not ever tame. Heck, my most easy-going boa bit the absolute piss out of my arm last night.

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Sure, there is a difference between dogs and snakes, but dogs are out down for owner ignorance much more often than for actual bad temperament. Dogs are put down for killing cats or for giving a warning growl to a crawling toddler, etc. They get put down in essence for being dogs and having owners that don't take the time to train them and understand them. I'd say in this situation with this snake it is similar. He's just being a snake. But sometimes humans are not equipped to handle what they think they can handle and the animals suffer.

NOT that this guy is illequipped. But hypothetically speaking, a 22 foot snake that gets euthanized for being a snake when unable to be cared for by human is not so different form the 100 pound husky mix who gets left at the pound because he has no manners, is prey driven, and growls at a kid who takes his food. There is no diffference to me. It's the humans...

I bet we are going to hear, police found a man squeezed to death by a giant Python after he ordered it off the internet, on the news! :snake:

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Originally Posted by ZinniaZ

Sure, there is a difference between dogs and snakes, but dogs are out down for owner ignorance much more often than for actual bad temperament. Dogs are put down for killing cats or for giving a warning growl to a crawling toddler, etc. They get put down in essence for being dogs and having owners that don't take the time to train them and understand them. I'd say in this situation with this snake it is similar. He's just being a snake. But sometimes humans are not equipped to handle what they think they can handle and the animals suffer.

NOT that this guy is illequipped. But hypothetically speaking, a 22 foot snake that gets euthanized for being a snake when unable to be cared for by human is not so different form the 100 pound husky mix who gets left at the pound because he has no manners, is prey driven, and growls at a kid who takes his food. There is no diffference to me. It's the humans...

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Good post.

I'm of the mind that snakes are our captive's, not a domestic animal in the least. They are a hardwired, instinctive and most of all WILD animal.

I think euthanasia is a ridiculous idea for this snake. He's being a snake for heavens sake! They aren't dogs! They aren't horses, cats or birds!

Not having owned any giants myself, I also know that somewhere out there people appreciate the snakes in all of their personalities.

What if this snake is acting aggressively from the keepers care, and when taken to a new keeper, the snake acts like every other retic?

I find some of the responses here shed some light onto the ongoing saga of us humans trying to force our animals to fit our perceptions, instead of us accepting nature as it is.

I don't understand why snakes get special treatment because we keep them? People don't bat an eye at someone culling a biting rat or a dog who has injured a person. But when someone has something that is life threatening and they are unable to care for the snake, euthanasia is a good last option.

Not to mention he has to find someone reasonably local that can care for a 22-foot aggresive snake. Or he could just let it go right? Euthanasia would be responsible if he were unable to rehome it.

I was under the impression that many here believe the snake should be euthanised because of his behavior. NOT because he wants to or is unable to rehome it.

Again this isn't a domestic animal and should not be expected to behave like a dog or cat. (or rat for that matter)

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

I was under the impression that many here believe the snake should be euthanised because of his behavior. NOT because he wants to or is unable to rehome it.

Again this isn't a domestic animal and should not be expected to behave like a dog or cat. (or rat for that matter)

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I don't understand how behavior DOESN'T influence the decision. Regardless if it is "not a domestic animal", if the man is not willing to risk his life caring for this thing or the two other people he says he needs, what else is he expected to do if he can't rehome it? There is a difference between an agressive ball python and a 250+ lb monster and saying behavior at that size doesn't play a role is ludacris imo.

Don't bother with he shouldn't have got it in the first place. He probably shouldn't, but he obviously felt like he could tame it and had enough experience.