Sandblast

Ok ladies and gentlemen, this is a very serious question and not a put on.

I am a private collector of bp's and there is a possible chance that i am able to obtain a sandblast female. I am currently in negotiations and there is a very slight chance that i am able to get hold of a male as well. I would like to know how much this morph is currently valued at as i don't want to be paying over the odds. Also IF (big if) i am able to get hold of a second would anyone be genuinely interested in purchasing it off me?? I expect to have the final out come in the next few weeks.

I am sorry if i have posted this in the wrong place but didn't really know where!! :-)

Im sorry... but whats a sand blast? Lemon blast do you mean?

Hi,

I think this is a picture of one.

Photo found on izzysworldofherps web site.

I don't know anything about them though - are they proven genetic and if so what kind? Co-dom?

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Found an old thread on it.

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dr del

Hi no i def mean a sandblast. as far as i'm aware urbanpythons are the only ones with one - unless other big breeders are keeping theirs quiet.

You can see pics of one on this site: www.theurbanpython.com

I am being totally serious and really would appreciate anyones input here.

Hi,

Theres a page on it here;

http://www.theurbanpython.com/sandblast.html


dr del

Hi,

Well it kind of depends on what the results of this were;

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Originally Posted by TheUrbanPython

He bred successfully in 2006 and produced normal-looking offspring, which we held back and are currently raising up. We expect his genetics to be proven simple recessive in 2008/2009.

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If they are selling offspring because it proved recessive then they will probably carry a fairly high price.

But is they are selling the original animals because it didn't prove genetic at all then they still wont be cheap but might be worth buying simply because they are beautifull animals.

Do you know the results of the breedings? Are they adult animals they are selling or hatchlings?



dr del

If you are simply a collector, and you have the type of money to spend on that animal, I sure as **** would take one. That is one of my all-time favorite unprovens out there, and it would be a complete joy to have one to hold and love and snuggle (and get insurance on lol).

If you are buying in hopes of it being genetic, I would still take the chance on it. We know it's not dominant, but I think it holds good potential to be a recessive, yes? Which ever way it goes (genetic or not) you would have quite the gem in your collection.

I cant imagine that this snake would be going for pennies, however.

I assume that the genetics have been proven, and this is why... The urban python said, on their website, that the project of from a sandblast wild caught male that was bred to a normal female. The offspring was wild type. So at that point the male sandblast was the only one. So now if this person is talking about buying a female sandblast, then unless they caught a female sandblast in the wild, this male would have had to been bred to his daughters to produce more sandblasts. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I would imagine that the price for these would be fairly high, since they are so rare, but don't know an amount.

So did Urban Pythons actually tell you that this was a genetic animal?

Otherwise, it's just a fancy normal.

I know the importer who brought the original one in and it was big $$ !!

If they are selling babies produced by the male, proving it recessive, I would think around $10k - $15k is about the going rate in today's market.
A very cool snake, and definitely 1 of a kind.

on the urbanpython they say the original import male they got bred some females in 06 and they havent proved it out to be recessive yet

as far as it sounds they are the only people that have them and they are an unproven morph

so who else would have one that you were going to buy one from?

Hi again guys,

The Sandblasts in question are direct African imports - i will say no more, apart from the fact they are not poss hets they are visual moprhs. I have the possible opportunity to buy one, and there is another on offer. if i somehow managed to remortgage my house ;-) or rob a bank and got both (unsure as to whether i can get one yet) i simply wanted to offer the opportunity to one to someone else.
Be sure to see pics of it when and IF i get them. Fingers crossed.

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Originally Posted by chintasurf

Hi again guys,

The Sandblasts in question are direct African imports - i will say no more, apart from the fact they are not poss hets they are visual moprhs. I have the possible opportunity to buy one, and there is another on offer. if i somehow managed to remortgage my house ;-) or rob a bank and got both (unsure as to whether i can get one yet) i simply wanted to offer the opportunity to one to someone else.
Be sure to see pics of it when and IF i get them. Fingers crossed.

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If they are "THAT" expensive why would you even consider buying both with the idea to turn it around and resell it? At best you would break even but it is highly doubtful you could quickly resell it for a profit.

Just my 2 cents.

Hi,

Not to mention the loss of the opportunity for a visual to visual breeding later on to see if the trait came out in the offspring. :O

Your taking a big gamble unless you know something about their genetics that you aren't saying.

About all anyone else knows is they aren't dom or co dom. That might make it a tough sell. :confused:


dr del

wow I am very impressed you guys went from wanting to get your first Ball Python 8 months ago to trying to get one of the rarest Ball on the planet. Very big jump.
Best of luck to you.. Make sure you get pic up when and if it comes in.

Personally, I love the sandblast that Urban Python has. It's been on my list of "someday" morphs to own. That said, I wouldn't bank my house on any one morph. It's just too big a risk for me.

If you lose out on the genetics, or they come from Africa not looking like you expected, or if they should die, or don't ever eat, or...the list goes on.

You must be very gutsy. Good luck to you. If you do end up getting one I'd love to see pics.

Thanks for the input everyone, I'm not really remortgaging my house for them! thats just my very bad sense of humor. The person i am looking at getting them from has been successful in breeding them - these are not wild caught. Due to this fact i am pretty sure that if Urbanpythons persist they will prove it out.

Its true there are risks importing from Africa but the risks are reduces slightly for as as they do not have to fly so far - we are in the Canary islands which is just 60 miles of the cost of Africa.

I personally love this trait and now already have a potential buyer for the male.

I will post pics for you all when the big day arrives. We also have a Banana, Clown, Caramel Albino and Pied coming to us in the next two weeks so we are very quickly growing!

thank you everyone.

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Originally Posted by chintasurf

I will post pics for you all when the big day arrives. We also have a Banana, Clown, Caramel Albino and Pied coming to us in the next two weeks so we are very quickly growing!

thank you everyone.

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Wow a Banana that's a hefty purchase who did you buy it from I did know anybody had them for sale.

Congrats.

okay, as already said, you wanted your first bp 8 months ago

i dont even think anyone has any bananas for sale

i am shocked and its kinda funny to laugh at

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Originally Posted by chintasurf

Thanks for the input everyone, I'm not really remortgaging my house for them! thats just my very bad sense of humor. The person i am looking at getting them from has been successful in breeding them - these are not wild caught. Due to this fact i am pretty sure that if Urbanpythons persist they will prove it out.

Its true there are risks importing from Africa but the risks are reduces slightly for as as they do not have to fly so far - we are in the Canary islands which is just 60 miles of the cost of Africa.

I personally love this trait and now already have a potential buyer for the male.

I will post pics for you all when the big day arrives. We also have a Banana, Clown, Caramel Albino and Pied coming to us in the next two weeks so we are very quickly growing!

thank you everyone.

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you can persist all you want but some bps people think are genetic DO not prove out

just a fact

you cant clone a BP

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Originally Posted by atp151415

okay, as already said, you wanted your first bp 8 months ago

i dont even think anyone has any bananas for sale

i am shocked and its kinda funny to laugh at

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Everything is for sale if you have the money...:gj:

This whole thing sounds like B.S

If there were any Sandblast for sale one of the big dealers would have it already. Ian G has brought in 99% of all the morphs from Africa including the sandblast, toffee, paragon, etc.

I talked to Ian recently and asked about anything cool in Africa looking to get in on something new, and he said there was not too much for really odd stuff. If there was a Sandblast it would be here by now, or at least worked on by a U.S dealer.

well i can see i managed to stir things up a little here. We may have only purchased our first Bp a little over 8 mths ago, but my husband and his family have always kept large snakes, mainly burmese.

The person i am getting my bp's from has been associated with us for many years and is a good friend, who up until now has never disappointed, it was this person who has put me in contact with the supposed sandblast owner.

Its a risk that we are willing to take as we have the funds. If it all back fires then you guys can laugh away, i'll join you!!

keep an eye out for pictures, and wish us luck. We appreciate everyones comments and really love this site.

Good luck!! Can't wait to see the pics. I also love the bananas...

can anyone else smell that???????

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can anyone else smell that???????

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lol thats not nice...

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Originally Posted by chintasurf

well i can see i managed to stir things up a little here. We may have only purchased our first Bp a little over 8 mths ago, but my husband and his family have always kept large snakes, mainly burmese.

The person i am getting my bp's from has been associated with us for many years and is a good friend, who up until now has never disappointed, it was this person who has put me in contact with the supposed sandblast owner.

Its a risk that we are willing to take as we have the funds. If it all back fires then you guys can laugh away, i'll join you!!

keep an eye out for pictures, and wish us luck. We appreciate everyones comments and really love this site.

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I think it sounds exciting and wish you the best of luck with the transaction. If it does go through, be sure to post the pictures!!

I don't really want to be negative about this, but three weeks ago on craigslist in my area was a post for imports from canary islands, anything you wanted. Cheap too... not a day later one guy posted that he had sent them money for albinos and they somehow cleared his bank account.

Be real careful about cheap morphs, and what information you give people.

If you get one a sandblast, I would LOVE to see pics of it.

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Originally Posted by chintasurf

Hi again guys,

The Sandblasts in question are direct African imports - i will say no more, apart from the fact they are not poss hets they are visual moprhs. I have the possible opportunity to buy one, and there is another on offer. if i somehow managed to remortgage my house ;-) or rob a bank and got both (unsure as to whether i can get one yet) i simply wanted to offer the opportunity to one to someone else.
Be sure to see pics of it when and IF i get them. Fingers crossed.

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Originally Posted by chintasurf

Thanks for the input everyone, I'm not really remortgaging my house for them! thats just my very bad sense of humor. The person i am looking at getting them from has been successful in breeding them - these are not wild caught. Due to this fact i am pretty sure that if Urbanpythons persist they will prove it out.

Its true there are risks importing from Africa but the risks are reduces slightly for as as they do not have to fly so far - we are in the Canary islands which is just 60 miles of the cost of Africa.

I personally love this trait and now already have a potential buyer for the male.

I will post pics for you all when the big day arrives. We also have a Banana, Clown, Caramel Albino and Pied coming to us in the next two weeks so we are very quickly growing!

thank you everyone.

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Did anyone else catch this? First they are direct African imports....and then they are from a captive breeding?!? I am confused!

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Originally Posted by FloridaHogs

Did anyone else catch this? First they are direct African imports....and then they are from a captive breeding?!? I am confused!

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Something just isn't right in general....

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Originally Posted by FloridaHogs

Did anyone else catch this? First they are direct African imports....and then they are from a captive breeding?!? I am confused!

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They do have CBB snakes in Africa, especially morphs. ;)

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Originally Posted by xdeus

They do have CBB snakes in Africa, especially morphs. ;)

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I think Floridahogs was referring to these particular animal/s in question in this thread....

I think the little wink ..;) in the pic. covers that.

Noah is the ONLY person breeding in Africa, and if he has a sandblast he would be getting top $$ from a American breeder, not playing around waiting to get the $$.

Hate to be a d*** but as I said before this sounds like a bunch of b.s !!

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Originally Posted by jnjreptiles

Hate to be a d*** but as I said before this sounds like a bunch of b.s !!

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I agree....

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Originally Posted by Sputnik

I think Floridahogs was referring to these particular animal/s in question in this thread....

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I know... why wouldn't you think a Sandblast was CBB in Africa? New Ball morphs are starting to get scarce, so I wouldn't doubt it that some people over there are breeding the scarce stuff and doling them out occasionally to keep the prices high.

Anyway, I'm not defending the OP. It does seem kind of strange that a person would get a Ball 8 months ago and is now getting some very rare morphs, but if it's true then more power to them.

whether or not this guy is full of it, I love the Sandblast look .. its an awesome looking morph.

As far as the Sandblast -- I agree with Josh. Josh knows the import players both in U.S. and over in Africa. I trust his opinion most in this area.

As for people seeming to go diving head-first into balls with no regard for human life -- mostly THEIR OWN. I can only report that I know a guy that went from having 0 Ball Pythons to over 400 in just under 12 months!!! Some people just go over the deep end.

I won't "out him" online because that would not be cool.

Hey!!! That reminds me I have to get ready to feed tonight. I've got rats and mice coming -- about 400!!!!!! :O

0-400 in year?

That sounds like some sort of freak... Oh sorry....

Talk to you later...

The big US breeders don't have a monopoly on new morph purchasing power. Maybe they are mostly burned out with the drop in the market here and are very cautious about paying big bucks for new stuff now. Especially stuff that is already established cb in Africa. That said, I have no idea if this thread is legit or not, I just don’t see a strong reason to discount it.

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

The big US breeders don't have a monopoly on new morph purchasing power. Maybe they are mostly burned out with the drop in the market here and are very cautious about paying big bucks for new stuff now. Especially stuff that is already established cb in Africa. That said, I have no idea if this thread is legit or not, I just don’t see a strong reason to discount it.

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I don't a strong reason to believe it either, that's the problem....