possible morphs? new to this

hey yall i just got the female to complete my pair of ball pythons and intend to breed them but i was wondering if there are any morphs a pair of regular balls can throw although i think that one of my balls may be a Black Granite and if he isnt he is definately a beautiful regular with alot of black and wonderful irredesence and also if by chance they do throw a morph is there any implications with breeding cross breeding them? or would it be a better choice to when the time comes get another snake? be it male or female depending on the need?

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Originally Posted by Athen

... i was wondering if there are any morphs a pair of regular balls can throw although i think that one of my balls may be a Black Granite... if by chance they do throw a morph is there any implications with breeding cross breeding them?

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Normals throw normals... morphs throw morphs.

Rarely do you see normals males being used for breeding.

If you start considering breeding for genetics, then chances are that sweet male of yours will never see the inside of a female's enclosure b/w October and April (AKA ever). :)

You never know though, post a few pics, as he may have that certain je-ne-sais-quoi! Lots of super sharp critical eyes on this forum.

Also keep in mind that snakes that are heterozygous for recessive traits are phenotypically normals.

Snakes are line-bred all the time, if they weren't we would not have the amazing diversity we do in captivity. They are also non-migratory, so this would occur in the wild as well.

Most often dad is bred back to the daughters to find out if certain traits are indeed genetic. That is the easiest route... as dad can breed lots of daughters, but mom can breed only one son.

And if he is a granite... then he isn't a normal. :)

Not sure that helped?

Bruce

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Originally Posted by Loft Lizard

If you start considering breeding for genetics, then chances are that sweet male of yours will never see the inside of a female's enclosure b/w October and April (AKA ever). :)

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There is nothing normal about the normals. If you have two snakes that you are really into, and you want to see if they are genetic... give it a shot.

The variance and beauty in normal bps is off the charts!

If you only ever create clutches of healthy beautiful normals, then that is not such a bad thing.

burce

I understand that normals throw normals, and morphs throw morphs, but I always wondered where the first morphs came from?

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Originally Posted by Jenn

I understand that normals throw normals, and morphs throw morphs, but I always wondered where the first morphs came from?

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dug up out of the ground in Africa 99.995% of all base mutations were found running around in Africa. Pretty cool huh?

in theory a normal x normal could produce a recessive morph such as albino or pied. The chances of that happening are slim. All these morph genes are in the wild so you never know what you may find.

You have more of a chance of flying to Africa and finding a morph than breeding two normals together to get one.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

dug up out of the ground in Africa 99.995% of all base mutations were found running around in Africa. Pretty cool huh?

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Very cool!!!!

So after thousands of years of normal looking BP's in Africa someone just turned over a rock one day and found a morph?

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Originally Posted by Jenn

Very cool!!!!

So after thousands of years of normal looking BP's in Africa someone just turned over a rock one day and found a morph?

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well the first ones were coming in just mass shipments of normals and got picked out. Once things took off thats when trappers in Africa started really looking for them.

Thanks Freakie.

Just amazing. Now I want to go to Africa!

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Originally Posted by Jenn

Thanks Freakie.

Just amazing. Now I want to go to Africa!

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Yea me too but I want to go for the other animals.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

dug up out of the ground in Africa 99.995% of all base mutations were found running around in Africa. Pretty cool huh?

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how do snakes run ???

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Originally Posted by Loft Lizard

Normals throw normals... morphs throw morphs.

Rarely do you see normals males being used for breeding.

If you start considering breeding for genetics, then chances are that sweet male of yours will never see the inside of a female's enclosure b/w October and April (AKA ever). :)

You never know though, post a few pics, as he may have that certain je-ne-sais-quoi! Lots of super sharp critical eyes on this forum.

Also keep in mind that snakes that are heterozygous for recessive traits are phenotypically normals.

Snakes are line-bred all the time, if they weren't we would not have the amazing diversity we do in captivity. They are also non-migratory, so this would occur in the wild as well.

Most often dad is bred back to the daughters to find out if certain traits are indeed genetic. That is the easiest route... as dad can breed lots of daughters, but mom can breed only one son.

And if he is a granite... then he isn't a normal. :)

Not sure that helped?

Bruce

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yes that did help alot ill try to get some pics up as soon as possible like i said in my title i am quite new to this whole thing and my thoughts that my male may be a black granite came from looking at BP morphs on the internet wehre i saw a pic of a black granite and realized that it looked alot like my male. luckilly for me my pair is still a good year off from breeding so i have a good amount of time to learn and i do intend to breed for genetics but if all i have are a couple normals it gives perfect opportunity for practice beforehand =)

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Originally Posted by twh

how do snakes run ???

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Very quickly if you've ever had one get out.. LOL

http://www.nextworldexotics.com/hggr.htm
maybe this will help ;]

yeah that link did help a little ill take a closer look at him later and compare him to the pics to see ill also post some pics of him and my female