Any suggestions...

Do you have any suggestions for a snake that grows up to 2 feet or less?
I prefer a snake that is somewhat bulky, not that hard to keep, handle-able, and somewhat "exotic" (in this thread that means anything that doesn't live in my region, so don't suggest Garter snakes or snakes like that).

P.S. If there's a certain species that you know of (that fit my preferences) that the females grow bigger than 2' but the males grow 2' or less (or [rarely] vice versa), please suggest it.

KSand Boa

agreed, maybe a milksnake?

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Originally Posted by Royal_Rodents

agreed, maybe a milksnake?

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I've heard they grow a lot bigger than 2 feet...

Rubber boa!:gj:

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Originally Posted by Onua Nuva

I've heard they grow a lot bigger than 2 feet...

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ah didn't know. just thought they were small i saw them at a show last week. and they were so tiny when they were babies i thought they didn't out grow more then 2-4 feet

if you are willing to go a little larger, then i'd say childrens python...

if not, then i'd have to say get another hognose. they're hard to beat for small species anyway.

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Originally Posted by kzooherpetoculturist

if you are willing to go a little larger, then i'd say childrens python...

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I agree. Or spotted python which are much the same.

if you can find one get a blind snake they dont get any bigger than a night crawler, and if you find where to buy one let me know cuz i want one

i believe they are protected in hawaii? or maybe thats just the spieces of blind snake. native to hawaii "hawaiian blind snake?"

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Originally Posted by Royal_Rodents

i believe they are protected in hawaii? or maybe thats just the spieces of blind snake. native to hawaii "hawaiian blind snake?"

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i know they have them there but not sure on the protected part. i do know that they try to act like they dont even have any snakes of any kind

Sorry people, no blindsnakes. I should've mentioned in the starting post that the snake you suggest also has to grow near the said limit (2'). Besides, blindsnakes are unimpressive, smaller and thinner than any snake I've kept (including the garter), and not widely bred either.

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Originally Posted by jknudson

Rubber boa!:gj:

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Aren't those hard to get? I can only get a snake that's for sale at the local expo, not from an online store.

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Originally Posted by dsirkle

I agree. Or spotted python which are much the same.

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Spotteds actually get a bit bigger than Childrens. Though I think either would be a good choice, as they don't get very bulky at all, and even a huge female Spotted will probably top out at 4 feet. They say they can get up to 5, but that's probably about as common as the 14 foot boas you hear about.

If even that is too big, then I say maybe a Rosy boa or sand boa.

Any particular reason you have such a small size limit? Bigger snakes just make you nervous, space constraints, ect.?

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Originally Posted by kzooherpetoculturist

if you are willing to go a little larger, then i'd say childrens python...

if not, then i'd have to say get another hognose. they're hard to beat for small species anyway.

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If I could go a little larger then I would get a female Western Hognose or a Rosy Boa. But unfortunately, I can't. Can you provide some information about Children's Pythons?

Seems like you only want tiny snakes, but you could maybe consider a male bp. I know it is a little bigger than you are looking for, but it fits everything else perfectly, while still being manageable in size and thus, would not take much more husbandry work.

2 foot snakes.

Lessee.... Childrens are managable, and really, adults are quite tiny, but still a good thickness.

Kenyan sand boas, or rough scaled sand boas. Either are very manageable.

have you looked into boas as well? there are a few species, while exceeding 2 feet, that will probably only eat small rats for their entire lives, and more than likely can just stay on mice. Caulker Cay boas, and Sabogae come to mind. But are pricier, especially sabs. But i like to suggest both, because they really are very small.

Personally, id go with the childrens 100%. They are COOL snakes! I'd be happy to get myself a pair in time.

Also, male ball pythons stay relatively smallish.. so that could be a possibility

Connie mentioned it earlier, but I haven't seen any discussion on it yet....what about the Kenyan Sand Boas? VERY easy to care for...they stay really short...and their nice 'n chunky for their size. And they're just really neat animals all the way around...from their colors to their handle-ability to their burrowing habits.

EDIT: Ok...mooingtricycle and I were typing at the same time....I still say go KSB! (Or Rough Scaled...those are cool, too!)

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Originally Posted by spix14

Spotteds actually get a bit bigger than Childrens. Though I think either would be a good choice, as they don't get very bulky at all, and even a huge female Spotted will probably top out at 4 feet. They say they can get up to 5, but that's probably about as common as the 14 foot boas you hear about.

If even that is too big, then I say maybe a Rosy boa or sand boa.

Any particular reason you have such a small size limit? Bigger snakes just make you nervous, space constraints, ect.?

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Rosy Boas grow more than 2'. And the reason I have this limit is because my parents won't let me get anything bigger than 2'. If you saw my sig and some of my posts a few months ago you would see that I really wanted a Rosy Boa. BTW, I held a 10', 27-pound JCP (unassisted) a bit more than 2 weeks ago, so I'm fine with snakes of any size.

Hrmm...maybe a Scarlet Kingsnake?

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...kingsnake1.jpg

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Originally Posted by ThyTempest

Seems like you only want tiny snakes, but you could maybe consider a male bp. I know it is a little bigger than you are looking for, but it fits everything else perfectly, while still being manageable in size and thus, would not take much more husbandry work.

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No. I don't "want" a tiny snake; I can only "get" a tiny snake due to my parent's regulations. BTW, 2' isn't tiny, it's just smaller than average (when you see a 2-foot WHS or a KSB you don't think they're "tiny"). Male BPs are out of the question as they do grow more than 2' and they have those problems BPs usually have.

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Originally Posted by spix14

Hrmm...maybe a Scarlet Kingsnake?

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...kingsnake1.jpg

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Isn't that a type of milksnake (or vice-versa)? If it is that's off the list because they grow over 2'.

Misconception correction: I can only get a snake that's 2' or less because of parental regulations. That's the only reason. It's not because I'm nervous of bigger snakes or prefer smaller snakes. Be sure to have this in mind before you post.

Nope...it's a Scarlet Kingsnake. 14-20 inches. Longest one on record was a whopping 28 inches.

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Originally Posted by spix14

Nope...it's a Scarlet Kingsnake. 14-20 inches. Longest one on record was a whopping 28 inches.

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I'll think about that one... How bulky are they?

About as bulky as your average 2 foot king, I would imagine. If bulk and small size are both very important, I'd advise you to go with a male Kenyan Sand Boa, as those are going to be about the only bulky snake that stays within your size range.

If you can deal with wild caught and specialty feeders, that broadens up your opportunities. Scarlet Kings fall into that catagory since they are rarely available as CBB and can have issues with feeding. Some ringneck snakes stay under 24", so they would not be too large but are somewhat specialized feeders.

Pricing also has alot to do with the 'tiny' species. What is your price range? Anthill pythons are the smallest pythons in the world. Cost anywhere between $600-$900 each. To keep a python under 24", an anthill would be your only choice for a definate. Check out: http://www.tinypythons.com/gallery/d...album=12&pos=1

You need to talk your parents into 36"......three feet broadens the snake possibilities drastically ;)

Now if you are interested in lizards under 24", you have tons of choices :D

Although, I feel like I ought to put this out there-if there just aren't any snakes you want that fit your criteria, don't get one just for the sake of getting another snake. Wait a couple of years until you're free to do what you wish and get something you really want.

Hi,

How about a male african house snake? They seem to be about 18-24 inches.

http://satanswombat.googlepages.com/...e1adjusted.JPG


dr del

I'm still gonna go with rubber boa. Underrated little guys, but pretty cool! Or perhaps some of the smaller localities of Rosy boa. You parents really aren't going to measure your snakes I'm guessing...so really what's an extra 12in in the grand scheme of things...;)

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Originally Posted by spix14

About as bulky as your average 2 foot king, I would imagine. If bulk and small size are both very important, I'd advise you to go with a male Kenyan Sand Boa, as those are going to be about the only bulky snake that stays within your size range.

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WHSs are also in the size range and are almost as bulky as KSBs (you didn't mention that...), but I don't like clones of what I have.

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

If you can deal with wild caught and specialty feeders, that broadens up your opportunities. Scarlet Kings fall into that catagory since they are rarely available as CBB and can have issues with feeding. Some ringneck snakes stay under 24", so they would not be too large but are somewhat specialized feeders.

Pricing also has alot to do with the 'tiny' species. What is your price range? Anthill pythons are the smallest pythons in the world. Cost anywhere between $600-$900 each. To keep a python under 24", an anthill would be your only choice for a definate. Check out: http://www.tinypythons.com/gallery/d...album=12&pos=1

You need to talk your parents into 36"......three feet broadens the snake possibilities drastically ;)

Now if you are interested in lizards under 24", you have tons of choices :D

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1. Sure I like non-native snakes but I didn't mean any of those WC species with all their problems. I want a snake that I can manage and enjoy.

2. I'm only 16. I can't afford a snake less than $100, and Anthills are also really thin.

3. I know that already. If you've seen my old signature and some of my posts a couple months ago you would see that I've always wanted a Rosy Boa.

4. Uromastyx (or "Fatso Lizards" as I call them :D) are the only lizards I'm interested in, and they need massive cages.

As you can see, I'm very selective when it comes to these kind of things.

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Originally Posted by spix14

Although, I feel like I ought to put this out there-if there just aren't any snakes you want that fit your criteria, don't get one just for the sake of getting another snake. Wait a couple of years until you're free to do what you wish and get something you really want.

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There are quite a few snakes I'm looking into that fit my criteria, and I only started this thread so I could get more suggestions. It's not simply "getting another snake". The only reason why I want another snake is because Charon is going to grow kind of small and I want something a bit more impressive (don't get me wrong, I still like Charon). And would you wait a couple years when you were my age?

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,

How about a male african house snake? They seem to be about 18-24 inches.

http://satanswombat.googlepages.com/...e1adjusted.JPG


dr del

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That is a very nice snake, but how bulky is it?

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Originally Posted by jknudson

I'm still gonna go with rubber boa. Underrated little guys, but pretty cool! Or perhaps some of the smaller localities of Rosy boa. You parents really aren't going to measure your snakes I'm guessing...so really what's an extra 12in in the grand scheme of things...;)

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I've said this a lot: I can't get a snake that won't be sold at my local expo and I'm not going to buy one from an online store.

P.S. Do you guys think that I set the world record for the most posts in one thread? :rofl:

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Originally Posted by Onua Nuva

That is a very nice snake, but how bulky is it?

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Hi,

Oh the males are quite small and not really bulky at all - I would say he is about the thickness of the middle knuckle of my little finger. Fuzzy mice leave a small lump if that helps?

The females get a LOT bigger judging by the pics of Rauls he posted recently. Either that or mine is the mini-me of the house snake world - I've never seen another male in person so don't really know.

I'm not sure they fit into your idea of an impressive snake though. :(

But they are mighty cute. :snake:


dr del

KSBs might be the winner but you're still welcome to suggest your idea(s).

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

Pricing also has alot to do with the 'tiny' species. What is your price range? Anthill pythons are the smallest pythons in the world. Cost anywhere between $600-$900 each. To keep a python under 24", an anthill would be your only choice for a definate. Check out: http://www.tinypythons.com/gallery/d...album=12&pos=1

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...and I'd rather spend that money on a cool morph, certainly not on some unimpressive WC thing!

Here's the current list of suggestions and their status:

Rubber Boa-Too hard to get and not very pretty
Rosy Boa-Does not fit the size specifications
Blindsnake-Way too small, not that cool, and not CB
Male BP-Not my type and has the usual BP problems
KSB-The top suggestion
Milksnake-Ditto Rosy Boa
Children's Python-Kind of thin but still has a chance
Caulker Cay or Sabogae-Unaffordable
Scarlet Kingsnake-Not a CB species
Anthill Python-Unaffordable
African House Snake-Kind of thin but otherwise acceptable

The ones in red mean that they have a chance of being my next snake.

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Originally Posted by Onua Nuva

1. Sure I like non-native snakes but I didn't mean any of those WC species with all their problems. I want a snake that I can manage and enjoy.

2. I'm only 16. I can't afford a snake less than $100, and Anthills are also really thin.

3. I know that already. If you've seen my old signature and some of my posts a couple months ago you would see that I've always wanted a Rosy Boa.

4. Uromastyx (or "Fatso Lizards" as I call them :D) are the only lizards I'm interested in, and they need massive cages.

As you can see, I'm very selective when it comes to these kind of things.

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psssh only 16 get a job ive had one since i was 15 and now thats its summer im working full time you can afford stufff you just have to work for it =]

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Originally Posted by Thor26

psssh only 16 get a job ive had one since i was 15 and now thats its summer im working full time you can afford stufff you just have to work for it =]

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I've got a good amount of money (let's just say it's enough money to purchase almost any Garter Snake morph) and I had a job, but the company I worked for went out of business (so we all lost our jobs), so now I need to look for another job if I want to get more money. Due to this I will not purchase a snake that's more than $100.

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Originally Posted by Onua Nuva

If I could go a little larger then I would get a female Western Hognose or a Rosy Boa. But unfortunately, I can't. Can you provide some information about Children's Pythons?

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children's pythons are an aussie python... they're pretty easy to keep. the only hurdle is that babies can be real picky eaters so you really want to make sure you get one that's either a juvenille or that is well started.
they have great dispositions though and are a very interesting python to keep. the males i've seen are usually in the realm of 20-30" and females are like 36-48"...

another small snake i just thought of though is african house snakes... those are awesome. very small as adults.

Why does it HAVE to be bulky? Skinny snakes are fun too. I still say KSboa

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Why does it HAVE to be bulky? Skinny snakes are fun too. I still say KSboa

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-says the woman who owns Bloods and suggested KSBs... I like bulky snakes because they seem bigger and more impressive than the thin ones.

Update-I got a KSB!

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Originally Posted by Onua Nuva

-says the woman who owns Bloods and suggested KSBs... I like bulky snakes because they seem bigger and more impressive than the thin ones.

Update-I got a KSB!

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Where did you get your KSB?
Fabulous. Make sure you don't use sand for substrate! ;]

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

Where did you get your KSB?
Fabulous. Make sure you don't use sand for substrate! ;]

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Well if you're thinking what I think you're thinking, no, I didn't get it from any famous breeder via the internet. I got it at the A-CRS&S (there's a link to the website in my sig.). I use crushed english walnut shells, which makes an ideal burrowing substrate.

EDIT: Just read through the entire thread and realized what I just posted below is out of date.

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I would suggest a Variable kingsnake (aka Thayeri's). They're not really bulky (Edit: I misread your earlier post about thinness). They max out at three feet, but I don't know of anything that stays smaller than 2 feet that would be CB.


This is a yearling in my hand. I wear the small latex gloves, if it helps you determine exactly how small my hands are.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y21...arlingsize.jpg

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