my new favorite animal

I have a lot of favorite snakes but this one really takes the cake. I'm thrilled to be working on this project as it is just coming off the ground. (Thanks Tracy Barker!)

I believe this morph will give all the big pillar mutations a serious run for their money!! Few of them have me captivated like this girl!!

This mutation is everything that typical axanthic lines are not...

http://www.jkobylkareptiles.com/Images/blkax/blax1.jpg
http://www.jkobylkareptiles.com/Imag.../blax_head.jpg
http://www.jkobylkareptiles.com/Imag.../blax-norm.jpg
http://www.jkobylkareptiles.com/Imag.../blax-past.jpg

Let me know if you agree!

Justin

Sable?

LOVE it! I've been dying to see what you crazy bp breeders could do combining with the dark morph! :gj:

Wow, what a little sausage! Looks like another road trip is in order! ;)

I love the close up Justin what is it? Dark phase

No, this is the new Black Axanthic that the Barkers came up with.

I've been eyeing them too. CONGRATS on the pick up ;)

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No, this is the new Black Axanthic that the Barkers came up with.

I've been eyeing them too. CONGRATS on the pick up ;)

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Bingo!

Now that is a BLACK snake...Good luck with that project Justin!!

Ah, thanks for the correction!

Well, Mr. Black Axanthic is very super hot...er...dark...and I can't wait to see what you do with him! =D

Wow he is dark, thats a great lookin snake !!!!!! :gj::gj::O:O:D

wow. thats an awesome looking ball. Im guessing its gonna end up even darker? congrats i want.

why am i always late to these threads...yup a beautiful black axanthic at that...

congratz man

Hey Justin, awesome Ball Python!! Can't wait to come up Saturday see that one while I am there!! :gj:

Has this been genetically proven?

ya and what kind of trait is it?

how much you spend on that burnt hotdog?

Good looking snake Justin! Can't wait to see what you get done with that project!

I really like them. They're just so dark that they're almost hard to see. Very nice pick up.

They are my fav ax line for sure!! Good luck with that little critter there.:D

Yes they are genetic, I believe they were selling them for 2500

Awesome grab!! The Black Ax is going to rule all color mutations!!
Besides the Black Ax Pied, I'm looking forward to the Black Ax Super Cinny.....a Super that will stay BLACK!!:headbang:

WOW!!! Just her eyes alone are mysterious........like a dark angel or something.....and ya know, she looks like she couls use a lil more meat on her bones.....:P

Real Nice Justin!!!

I really think I'd like to see one of these mixed into a pied.... :banana:

What a crazy pickup Justin! I have been eyeing them as well ever since they hatched them out!
I can't wait to see what you produce with her in the future! :D

Now that's an awesome black animal with lot's of possibilities !!:gj:
gr carlo

congrats on the new snake! is it also simple recessive?

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Wow, what a little sausage! Looks like another road trip is in order! ;)

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Woohoo! come out up!

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wow. thats an awesome looking ball. Im guessing its gonna end up even darker? congrats i want.

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It will definitely stay as dark or darker. :banana:

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Hey Justin, awesome Ball Python!! Can't wait to come up Saturday see that one while I am there!! :gj:

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I'm looking forward to it too! I warn you, she's better in person... (they always do... )

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Has this been genetically proven?

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Proven genetic - likely recessive

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Awesome grab!! The Black Ax is going to rule all color mutations!!
Besides the Black Ax Pied, I'm looking forward to the Black Ax Super Cinny.....a Super that will stay BLACK!!:headbang:

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I agree! It will rule!

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WOW!!! Just her eyes alone are mysterious........like a dark angel or something.....and ya know, she looks like she couls use a lil more meat on her bones.....:P

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Her eyes are my favorite too. ;)

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I really think I'd like to see one of these mixed into a pied.... :banana:

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Pied or Lavender, which would you do first?

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congrats on the new snake! is it also simple recessive?

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Thanks! Probably...



Thanks for all of the other comments as well. Let me know what you think... would you breed it to a Lavender or a Pied first? Its like sofie's choice. ;)

Justin

Wow that is quite an exceptional looking BP.
Best of luck with that project, cant wait to see more:gj:

Justin, congrats on picking up such a nice animal. I would love to see a Lavender Snow using the Black Axanthic. That would be an amazing combo....lots of lavender.

Sweet justin... i remember seeing tracy post those on KS a while ago and i thought they were awesome!:gj:

That snake really reminds me of a dark SK axanthic, similar to the one shown in the Barker's book.


Nice pickup!

Jonv

I've never been a fan of axanthics but.... that's freakin gorgeous!

Justin...I think the add for the Blk Axa.. was up for 2 minutes and everything was sold....That snake will make some amazing Lav... can you even think of what that into LA Pied would look like....Another animal on my wish list for sure...:D
Kevin

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Pied or Lavender, which would you do first?

Thanks for all of the other comments as well. Let me know what you think... would you breed it to a Lavender or a Pied first? Its like sofie's choice. ;)

Justin

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Hm...well if I had Lavender Albinos and pieds, I'd go for the lavender albino project first. If I had both...well then I'd breed em both and start my hets....

Lavender Albinos are not going to be as common as pieds...possibly fewer people working on the black axanthic lavender albino?

I think it would make great contrast in a pied though. Would that be a Oreo ball? :P

Very cool Justin, I think that will be a great addition to your collection! I wonder if breeding it to a lavender would make dark purple albinos, something comparable to the purple albino retics. I think breeding it to a pied would make a very contrasting, handsome snake.

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Justin

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Justin,
First of all I woould like to congratulate you on that beautiful addition to your collection. Don't listen to all those other people, I would throw that in with some Clown. Now, I would like to ask you about the above statement. What makes you believe that it is recessive. If I understand the breedings correctly, VPI broought in the original animals from Africa, and bred them together, but have never done any other breedings. If that is the case, they could still be co-dominant (and be the Homozygous form). Now I know the odds of bringing in 2 or more animals from the wild that have a similar appearance, and have them all be Homozygous Co-dominant animals, is a long shot. However, with little breeding info on the project, I was wondering if Dave or Tracy gave you any other info that may lead you to believe that they are Recessive.

What I want to see, and I asked Tracy if they tried or not, is if they are compatible with any of the other established Axanthic lines.

Congrats Again,

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Justin,
First of all I woould like to congratulate you on that beautiful addition to your collection. Don't listen to all those other people, I would throw that in with some Clown. Now, I would like to ask you about the above statement. What makes you believe that it is recessive. If I understand the breedings correctly, VPI broought in the original animals from Africa, and bred them together, but have never done any other breedings. If that is the case, they could still be co-dominant (and be the Homozygous form). Now I know the odds of bringing in 2 or more animals from the wild that have a similar appearance, and have them all be Homozygous Co-dominant animals, is a long shot. However, with little breeding info on the project, I was wondering if Dave or Tracy gave you any other info that may lead you to believe that they are Recessive.

What I want to see, and I asked Tracy if they tried or not, is if they are compatible with any of the other established Axanthic lines.

Congrats Again,

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Thanks! I actually had not seriously considered the clown breeding yet... that would definitely be awesome. That's what I love about this animal, nearly every combo seems like it would be awesome. Others I can hardly imagine... what would the pastel or spider combo look like?

You correctly understand the breedings up to this point. It has been visual x visual only. In the two clutches there were no normals or supers.

It is definitely possible the original imported animals were already supers and it is a codominate trait. That would definitely be an interesting twist. I think Tracy and I are both leaning toward recessive simply because all other axanthic lines have been recessive. On the other hand, these do not look like any other axanthics and in a way its apples and oranges.

There is no breedings to help prove compatibility with existing axanthic lines, but because most of them are incompatible even though they look nearly identical as babies, I would be shocked if this one was compatible while appearing to be a completely different mutation. Time will tell!

Thanks for your input Tim!

Justin

Great looking snake Justin and a great add on to your collection!:gj:

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Great looking snake Justin and a great add on to your collection!:gj:

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Thanks Charlie! I added some new pics of the bee to my site. She's doing great!

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Thanks Charlie! I added some new pics of the bee to my site. She's doing great!

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Aww, She is looking very beautiful!:gj:
My girl is growing and looking good.:)

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Thanks! I actually had not seriously considered the clown breeding yet... that would definitely be awesome. That's what I love about this animal, nearly every combo seems like it would be awesome. Others I can hardly imagine... what would the pastel or spider combo look like?

You correctly understand the breedings up to this point. It has been visual x visual only. In the two clutches there were no normals or supers.

It is definitely possible the original imported animals were already supers and it is a codominate trait. That would definitely be an interesting twist. I think Tracy and I are both leaning toward recessive simply because all other axanthic lines have been recessive. On the other hand, these do not look like any other axanthics and in a way its apples and oranges.

There is no breedings to help prove compatibility with existing axanthic lines, but because most of them are incompatible even though they look nearly identical as babies, I would be shocked if this one was compatible while appearing to be a completely different mutation. Time will tell!

Thanks for your input Tim!

Justin

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Justin,
I think you should now consider the Clown option, as I think it would be great. I know there was no compatibility testing,k as I talked to Tracy about it shortly after they hatched. However, I think it is a definite must in the near future. I do have a feeling that it will not be compatible with any other line, but would not be surprised if it was compatible with the SK line (only because of their dark strain they have been producing). Like you and Tracy, I fully believe they are recessive, but only because of the oddsa of them not being so. I just wanted to throw out there that it has yet to be proven how the trait is inhereted, even though it has been proven to be a genetically inhereted trait.

Either way, I amglad to see the morph make it's move intoother collections, and I think that one has made it's way in to some great hands.

Nice score :gj:

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Justin,
I do have a feeling that it will not be compatible with any other line, but would not be surprised if it was compatible with the SK line (only because of their dark strain they have been producing).

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Tim,

Thanks for your added input. I remember seeing pics of some of SK's darker axanthics but its been quite a while. Do you have a one of the pics saved away somewhere for comparison?

Justin

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Tim,

Thanks for your added input. I remember seeing pics of some of SK's darker axanthics but its been quite a while. Do you have a one of the pics saved away somewhere for comparison?

Justin

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I wish I could help you brother, but I do not have any saved. If I run across one while digging, I'll post it up.

Great looking snake justin. the wife and I are going to have to come down and see your place sometime.

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I wish I could help you brother, but I do not have any saved. If I run across one while digging, I'll post it up.

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Ok man, thanks!

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Great looking snake justin. the wife and I are going to have to come down and see your place sometime.

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Come anytime!

Justin

Hey Justin. I have a pic of the SK Charcoal Axanthic.......but I'm at work...
I'll send it to ya tonight when I get home.

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Hey Justin. I have a pic of the SK Charcoal Axanthic.......but I'm at work...
I'll send it to ya tonight when I get home.

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Awesome Thanks!

Justin

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Hey Justin. I have a pic of the SK Charcoal Axanthic.......but I'm at work...
I'll send it to ya tonight when I get home.

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Don't send it to Justin, just post it on this thread. I would like to see another pic of it myself.

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Don't send it to Justin, just post it on this thread. I would like to see another pic of it myself.

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Here's the picture. - Thanks Tom for sending it and it was good talking to you on the phone!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...TDHxiM02DD.jpg

Definitely looks similar but very different to me.

Justin, did you purchase both females they had available? One had more white up the sides if I remember correctly?