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New Western hognose.

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  • 06-04-2008, 05:54 PM
    MarkS
    New Western hognose.
    Just picked up a new Western Hognose snake the other day. He's also het albino so I hope I can pick up some het albino girlfriends for him later this year. I ilke the nice rusty red color he's got. I used to have a pair of hognoses years ago, but unfortunatly the male died so I sold the female. I kind of missed them, they've got such interesting personalities, so I decided to get some more.

    http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...tiles/hog1.jpg
  • 06-04-2008, 05:58 PM
    FloridaHogs
    Re: New Western hognose.
    He is quite a looker! Congrats on the new hoggie!
  • 06-04-2008, 06:57 PM
    tideguyinva
    Re: New Western hognose.
    Beautiful snake, are those agressive or are they pretty docile?
  • 06-04-2008, 07:33 PM
    .:LRG:.VinTaGe1947
    Re: New Western hognose.
    Congrats:gj::gj:
    very nice looking snake
  • 06-04-2008, 08:20 PM
    Jerhart
    Re: New Western hognose.
    Great looking snake Mark! I too had one a few years ago and traded him to a friend...and now I miss him. Those and Pale Milks are the main colubrids on my list of 'wants' :P

    Very Nice Again! :gj::gj:
  • 06-04-2008, 08:49 PM
    DSGB
    Re: New Western hognose.
    hooray for hoogies.

    looks just like mine!
  • 06-04-2008, 09:08 PM
    FloridaHogs
    Re: New Western hognose.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tideguyinva View Post
    Beautiful snake, are those agressive or are they pretty docile?

    Extremely docile, but they do put on a great bluff routine. If you go to my site, I have some vids of one of my girls bluff striking and hissing up a storm. It is a hoot and scary looking, but she never opens her mouth. That is part of their great personality.
  • 06-04-2008, 09:11 PM
    JASBALLS
    Re: New Western hognose.
    Great! Now your into venomous?? :P
  • 06-04-2008, 09:25 PM
    MarkS
    Re: New Western hognose.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tideguyinva View Post
    Beautiful snake, are those agressive or are they pretty docile?

    Generally pretty docile but they can be world champion bluffers. hissing, and closed mouth strikes (they'll bump you with their nose) and sometimes flattening out their heads like a wannabe cobra. I didn't see much of that with mine though. The ones I used to have did have a killer feeding response though and I almost got tagged a couple of times while feeding. I could take the female out of her tub, set her on the floor and hold a mouse in a pair of tongs and get her to chase it all over the room. She'd slither really fast with her mouth gaping wide open and her head way up high trying to grab that mouse as I would hold it just out of her reach. She would keep it up for a long time and I could get her to run an obstacle course holding that mouse up like a carrot on a stick.

    She was generally real good with handling too but when she'd had enough, she would go real limp and rubbery. The first few times this happened I got real worried thinking that she may have gotten overheated or something. But when I put her back in her cage she'd act all normal again. After a while I figured that she was doing the famous hognose 'playing dead' trick but only halfheartedly.

    They're real interesting animals with different personalities then 'normal' snakes.

    Mark
  • 06-05-2008, 01:08 PM
    DSGB
    Re: New Western hognose.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JASBALLS View Post
    Great! Now your into venomous?? :P

    haha. such scary snakes. lol.

    would you consider them hots? or is that just front fanged venomous snakes?
  • 06-05-2008, 04:35 PM
    Hardwikk
    Re: New Western hognose.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tideguyinva View Post
    Beautiful snake, are those agressive or are they pretty docile?

    Nice Hogger! But mine's brighter :-P! I think a bite-aggressive Western Hognose snake is inexistent. Sure they bluff, but they don't bite. So basically every Western Hognose snake is docile.
  • 06-05-2008, 04:46 PM
    Hardwikk
    Re: New Western hognose.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JASBALLS View Post
    Great! Now your into venomous?? :P

    What are you talking about? Just because they have venom it doesn't mean that they're a threat! Hognose snake venom isn't anywhere near dangerous. And it's almost impossible to get bitten by one unless it's a feeding response. I've heard stories of people putting their fingers in a Hognose snake's mouth and the snake tried to get them out! Obviously the venom isn't used for defense, but to aid in eating frogs.
  • 06-05-2008, 04:50 PM
    Hardwikk
    Re: New Western hognose.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DSGB View Post
    haha. such scary snakes. lol.

    would you consider them hots? or is that just front fanged venomous snakes?

    No, because the venom isn't even close to dangerous and Hognose snakes don't bite to defend themselves anyway! Also most rear-fanged snakes aren't considered hots because they aren't dangerous (besides the Boomslang and maybe some others I haven't heard about).

    EDIT-Off topic: Has anybody noticed that this is the 32nd topic with the tag "hognose" for 2008 (hint-hint, admins)?
  • 06-05-2008, 05:44 PM
    MarkS
    Re: New Western hognose.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Onua Nuva View Post
    Nice Hogger! But mine's brighter :-P:

    You know this is your fault. You got me thinking about them again on that other thread. And this time I couldn't make the voices stop.....


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Onua Nuva View Post
    Has anybody noticed that this is the 32nd topic with the tag "hognose" for 2008 (hint-hint, admins)?

    They really are getting to be more and more popular, I think all the new morphs coming out have a lot to do with that.

    Mark
  • 06-05-2008, 05:53 PM
    qiksilver
    Re: New Western hognose.
    Ryan in your blind haste to defend your favorite snake/the only one you seem to know anything about, you forget to tell people that hoggie venom is considered similar to a bee sting, meaning if you're allergic then you'll have serious swelling. A man a few years ago documented his allergic response to his hog chewing his finger as a feeding response, and it swelled all the way to his elbow.

    So i'll agree, no they're not dangerous as a rule, and yes, they're quite docile, but honestly...



    But I digress, beautiful hog Mark.
  • 06-05-2008, 06:12 PM
    MarkS
    Re: New Western hognose.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JASBALLS View Post
    Great! Now your into venomous?? :P

    Yeah well you know what a wildly reckless kind of guy I am.... I even free handle my hog.... :O :8:

    Here is a quote from a website that a friend of mine has.

    Quote:

    Hognose snakes are opisthoglyphous (having fangs at the back of the mouth) and they use this feature to "deflate" toads which may puff themselves up with air to unswallowable proportions. I mentioned earlier these snakes were non venomous, but there is some evidence that they may be mildly venomous. Although hognoses have fangs, they apparently have no ducts or grooves through which venom could be administered. They also have no venom glands but two species, the western and southern hognose snakes, H. simus, contain partoid glands. This appears irrelevant, however, as many cases of envenomation have been caused by the eastern hognose which lacks the partoid glands. It is thought that the venom is hemotoxic. It is not known whether it is an actual venom that is produced or reactions due to saliva or bacteria. These snakes can hardly be induced to bite, even in the wild, and therefore cases are rare. There are more cases involving H. platyrhinos so please refer to the account on Heterodon platyrhinos.
    Here are his website URL's they have some pretty good info on the snakes of Iowa and Minnesota.

    http://www.herpnet.net/Iowa-Herpetol...d=66&Itemid=26

    http://www.herpnet.net/Minnesota-Her...ose_snake.html
  • 06-05-2008, 06:15 PM
    waltah!
    Re: New Western hognose.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Onua Nuva View Post
    What are you talking about? Just because they have venom it doesn't mean that they're a threat! Hognose snake venom isn't anywhere near dangerous. And it's almost impossible to get bitten by one unless it's a feeding response. I've heard stories of people putting their fingers in a Hognose snake's mouth and the snake tried to get them out! Obviously the venom isn't used for defense, but to aid in eating frogs.

    Uhhh....I believe Jas was kidding......
    Mark, Congrats! I love my hoggie.
  • 06-05-2008, 06:37 PM
    Kara
    Re: New Western hognose.
    Awww, what a cutie! Congrats on the new addition Mark...they're such winsome little snakes & fun to keep! :gj:
  • 06-05-2008, 07:35 PM
    DSGB
    Re: New Western hognose.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Onua Nuva View Post
    What are you talking about? Just because they have venom it doesn't mean that they're a threat! Hognose snake venom isn't anywhere near dangerous. And it's almost impossible to get bitten by one unless it's a feeding response. I've heard stories of people putting their fingers in a Hognose snake's mouth and the snake tried to get them out! Obviously the venom isn't used for defense, but to aid in eating frogs.

    who in the hell lets thier snake chew on their finger? weird.
  • 06-05-2008, 07:39 PM
    littleindiangirl
    Re: New Western hognose.
    HoggIES are adoraaaaable. :wuv:
  • 06-05-2008, 08:24 PM
    Icatsme
    Re: New Western hognose.
    What a cutie, I love their snubby nose faces. For some reason they remind me of inchworms when they're babies.
  • 06-05-2008, 08:30 PM
    Louie1
    Re: New Western hognose.
    With all these posts on hognose snakes it makes me want to get into them as well!! Nice looking snake. Beautiful color!! Congrats!
  • 06-06-2008, 04:23 PM
    Hardwikk
    Re: New Western hognose.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DSGB View Post
    who in the hell lets thier snake chew on their finger? weird.

    Someone who likes to do crazy experiments.
  • 06-07-2008, 12:27 AM
    Schlyne
    Re: New Western hognose.
    Nice hog!
  • 06-11-2008, 03:15 PM
    Hardwikk
    Re: New Western hognose.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by qiksilver View Post
    Ryan in your blind haste to defend your favorite snake/the only one you seem to know anything about, you forget to tell people that hoggie venom is considered similar to a bee sting, meaning if you're allergic then you'll have serious swelling. A man a few years ago documented his allergic response to his hog chewing his finger as a feeding response, and it swelled all the way to his elbow.

    So i'll agree, no they're not dangerous as a rule, and yes, they're quite docile, but honestly...



    But I digress, beautiful hog Mark.

    It isn't "blind haste". I know exactly what I'm saying! But I guess I should have mentioned that it does cause moderate swelling in the affected limb.
  • 06-11-2008, 03:17 PM
    Hardwikk
    Re: New Western hognose.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MarkS View Post
    You know this is your fault. You got me thinking about them again on that other thread. And this time I couldn't make the voices stop.....

    Mark

    I'm always glad to help :D.
  • 06-11-2008, 03:21 PM
    BMorrison
    Re: New Western hognose.
    I LOVE hoggies, such fussy little bluffers. Very nice looking snake!:gj:
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