Kid slaps mom

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Kn18H3FKDV4

what the hell is that crap. Id send that kid to bootcamp, hed loos the attitude, and the gut!


maybe hes mad from the pink shirts? Id be pissed

I'd comment on this, But it would probably offend more people on here then this kid did..

LOL well now im curious as to what you have to say John hahaha

Wow. Get the kid in for a health exam and a psych eval.
If that clears, get him into counseling with the family.
If it doesn't clear, like our medical model slaps him with ODD, forgo the pills they will want to push and get them in for counseling. Rules need to be set and the kid doesn't get an opinion.
There are dynamics going on that we are not privy to in this little sound byte segment~ and Dr. Phil is an idiot.

He doesn't need any pills! Just a trip to the parking lot! Mym om scares me.

I watched part of that the other day on TV. His sister died a couple years ago and apparently had alot to do with his behavior...

Nuts...

Wow, I would get my ass handed to me, over and over and over and over....

wow, my dad was a drill sergeant in the army for 9 years and I dont know what he would do if i hit my mom. I think thats her fault for letting the kid be able to mouth off like that growing up. I dont think he just one day started acting like that.
that actually made me mad!:mad:

Well, she can't do anything about it. She'd have a lawsuit slapped on her faster than that kids hand...sad.

I remember getting my butt worn out by my mother when i was a smart ass...taught me a good life lesson :gj:

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I wouldn't be alive today if I ever pulled some crap like that. My dad was a Marine and strick to say it nicely.

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

Well, she can't do anything about it. She'd have a lawsuit slapped on her faster than that kids hand...sad.

I remember getting my butt worn out by my mother when i was a smart ass...taught me a good life lesson :gj:

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AMEN! I went to jail for correcting one of my kids in front of a police mang.. Verbally not physicully (sp??).. Sucked!

i would not be here to comment on this if i had done that to my mom

If I were that mom, I'd beat the living hell out of my son.

My parents never hit me, but they also never put up with this kind of crap. I don't think you have to hit kids to get them to behave. But I also think the mom in the video has been putting up with crap from her son for way too long, so now he thinks he owns her.

By the way I agree with you Starmom... Dr. Phil is a :rolleye2: for sure!

I wish I could slap that annoying bald kid at the end of the clip. :P

my old man would beat the crap out of me.

im all for hitting your own kids. specially that kid.

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

AMEN! I went to jail for correcting one of my kids in front of a police mang.. Verbally not physicully (sp??).. Sucked!

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really? how long?

Okay peeps, his sib died and then he started this behavior. Like I said, dynamics going on.....
Before this mob lynches the kid, it would be nice if he got some real help. Mom probably doesn't have health care that covers counseling though....
Great, the kid grows up and kills someone with his anger and rage and fear over his sister dying....
Health care reform anyone?
BTW, if I ever spoke out against my parents my mother clobbered me. Heck, she clobbered me when I didn't speak out against anything. Clobbering is not all it's made out to be...it's really just a release for the out of control and enraged parent.

That kid already has a complex that he is 100% in the right, and everyone who tells him differently is 100% wrong. He already thinks that he bully others to give him respect, and he's getting away with it.

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Originally Posted by starmom

Okay peeps, his sib died and then he started this behavior. Like I said, dynamics going on.....
Before this mob lynches the kid, it would be nice if he got some real help. Mom probably doesn't have health care that covers counseling though....
Great, the kid grows up and kills someone with his anger and rage and fear over his sister dying....
Health care reform anyone?
BTW, if I ever spoke out against my parents my mother clobbered me. Heck, she clobbered me when I didn't speak out against anything. Clobbering is not all it's made out to be...it's really just a release for the out of control and enraged parent.

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I don't hold children responsible for anything. It is that woman's fault for the way her child is given ANY condition. PARENTS MAKE THEIR CHILDREN what they are.

Reform healthcare?.....send the kid to a doctor that prescribes tons of medications that take away the kids actual personality and replace him with another mindless drone walking around all depressed and dependant on prescription meds? Doesn't that create 'killers' as well?

I am sorry you were abused as a child.

Not all parents that 'spank' their children do it as a way to release anger. I was punished for doing bad things and rewarded for the good. Just a common conditioning method that can be used with most creatures to promote proper behavior. I thank god every day for the way I was conditioned ;)

Dude- seriously. I'm a counselor. DONT medicate the boy is what I said!! We just have to follow the medical model and get that label put on him and then he can get some help IF the mom can afford it or her health insurance will pay for it.
Conditioning has to do with rewards only. Positive conditioning is rewarding for an action done. Negative conditioning is rewarding for the cessation of a negative stimulus. Think of it like a seat belt dinger thing in a car- you are conditioned to put on your seat belt to stop the dinging. You are being negatively conditioned.
Withholding of privileges is just that-- withholding of privileges with the hope that the kid will care enough.
Don't be sorry for my upbringing- I'm not. I learned a lot and it really shaped my career and my own parenting. I have 4 healthy and happy and contributing kids- even have some grandkids.
We all get what we need- we just sometimes need help dealing with what we've been given. I hope that the boy and the mom get the help they need away from the tv camera.

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Originally Posted by starmom

I hope that the boy and the mom get the help they need away from the tv camera.

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Although our 'how-to' opinions may be different, I can definately agree with that ;)

If I did that to my mom, OOOOOOO! I would get hung on the ceiling fan by my toes and get flogged! Yeesh. lol

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Originally Posted by stangs13

He doesn't need any pills! Just a trip to the parking lot! Mym om scares me.

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

Although our 'how-to' opinions may be different, I can definately agree with that ;)

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Yep! They both need a kick in the HEAD!

Do you have kids Daniel? Just wondering because of your comment that it is the mother's fault for how her child is reacting to the death of his sister. "...Parents make their children what they are..." Just wondering if you have kids....
If not, or if they are not grown, I'd love to hear your opinion on this matter in another 25 years or so.... :P

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

Yep! They both need a kick in the HEAD!

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Well, yeah, sort of.....
a therapeutic kick in the head..... :gj:

I would just like to say that anyone posting in this thread that has not lived with a very troubled child under their roof has NO IDEA what they are talking about.

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Originally Posted by starmom

Do you have kids Daniel? Just wondering because of your comment that it is the mother's fault for how her child is reacting to the death of his sister. "...Parents make their children what they are..." Just wondering if you have kids....
If not, or if they are not grown, I'd love to hear your opinion on this matter in another 25 years or so.... :P

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man i was thinking the same thing. i do have kids and honestly... i work on my 14 yr old son and his lack of respect all the time. he's not disrespectful in a severe way but it IS something i have to watch with him.

as a parent i can say i'm doing my best... but friends, tv, movies, peers have a great deal of influence on people. kids and adults alike!

my eldest daughter (21) thinks paris hilton got a bum rap having to go to jail! when she said that i almost fell over. i raised her to never get into a car with someone who is drunk... she was almost killed in an accident a couple of years ago... with the driver of HER vehicle extremely over the limit!

we can teach them, we can lead them... but we can't make them do anything. they have to choose who they become. just as we did.

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Originally Posted by kc261

I would just like to say that anyone posting in this thread that has not lived with a very troubled child under their roof has NO IDEA what they are talking about.

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I raised 2 bi-polar kids. One is bipolar I and the other bi-polar II. I am raising a kid who had all of his episodic memories erased after 2 open heart surgeries, the second one performed because the first one was botched and created an aortic aneurysm. My brother committed suicide. So yeah, I've been there.... it's hard.

I try hard in these types of posts to create an intellectual discussions- can't be done I think.

Sound byte = knee jerk; Opinions based on NO experience; very little compassion overall..... crazazy and sad world.................

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

AMEN! I went to jail for correcting one of my kids in front of a police mang.. Verbally not physicully (sp??).. Sucked!

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My oldest told me "go ahead, slap me and I'll have you arrested...that'll teach me"

She told a friend, whose mom worked for social services that a scar on her ribs, from falling on the stairs was a stab wound...

*blink blink*

She said she was mad because I would not let her sleep over a friends house and thats why she said those things


My dad would have whipped me up by my arm, beat my butt and "give me a reason to be stabbed" LOL

i never "got that" till I had kids...."I'll give you a reason to cry"....ok, lemme think on that...LOL

If my kid slapped me, i really don't think I would have the composure that woman held......unreal

Ya know I try to have understanding for people and their problems, I really do, but I honestly can't say how I would respond if I ever saw a kid do that to his mom.

:(

Are the kids your talking about yours Starmom?

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Originally Posted by grunt_11b

Are the kids your talking about yours Starmom?

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Ummm, do you mean my 2 with BP I & II and the one with no memories? Yep they are. And, I might add, all are doing quite well- even my daughter who is dying. Talk about grace...
I also have a 'normal' son; not het for anything!

my parents never hit me lol my uncle has a construction company they would just make me do hard labor. lol

That actually works really well. It has been a huge focus for my family. We have always lived on land that came with a million chores and we also lived on a sailboat on the hook in the Puget Sound. Lots of chores, lots of things to do, not a lot of time for 'hanging'.....
We also didn't have tv or telephone. Played a lot of board games and stuff. It helped.

it always make me think twicebefore i do something.....questionable lol

I didn't read all of the replies, but I saw this clip at another site as well. Honestly, I blame the mother more than the child. The kid's a kid, he learned that behavior, point blank period. That's what parents get when they try to treat their kids like adults and "talk out" their issues. That kid is NOT an adult, and can not ration with the mother as an adult. If she felt the need to nudge him the stomach or side with her elbow, so be it. She does not need to explain herself to him or try to figure out how it made him "feel". I think parents trying to do that crap and feed their kids prosac is the most ridiculous form of parenting ever.

My mother is a 4'10 maybe 100-110 lb korean woman, but if I ever tried to intimidate her physically I guarantee you she would tear me apart. And I'm 5'8 170 lbs and a grown man. Granted, I would never in a million years do that, but I know she would. Korean mothers are fast with the corporal punishment.

as for the kids that threaten to have their parents arrested... if my kids ever did that to me, I'd pop em a good one and hand them the phone. I'd also let them know that I am their provider and if they really want to go that route go ahead. But when I'm done with the bs investigations and so on and so forth they can go ahead and see if they want to go out in the world without my help. If not, they better follow my rules in my home.

I can't even imagine ever speaking to my mother like that..

But I do think that the behaviour has to be learned from somewhere. Kids just don't grow up and one day hit their mothers.

I find it humorous when a child would threaten to call social services, and put themselves into the horrible messed up system of foster kids and social services.

Kids have no idea how good they have it, so why not take those kids who think they would have it so much better, and let them visit with the kids who have been in the system for their whole lives because their parents actually DID abuse them, neglect them or abandon them.

If my kid ever wanted to pull that stunt on me, I'd drive them down to the social services right away, and let them experience what it's like when you have NOBODY. I'd even let them spend the weekend there if I had to. They'd better not tell me that I've been abusing them. Ever. (well, unless I actually was abusing them, the system is in place for a reason. :gj:)

A lot of kids are spoiled rotten and take so much for advantage, but that's the american way of life. We want everything and EXPECT to have it.

What happened to "Life isn't fair"?

Like the russian from the Sopranos said: You Americans always expect to be happy. In my country we always expect the worst.

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Originally Posted by Jae iLL

Honestly, I blame the mother more than the child. The kid's a kid, he learned that behavior, point blank period.

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Originally Posted by Syka

But I do think that the behaviour has to be learned from somewhere. Kids just don't grow up and one day hit their mothers.

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You people are wrong. Hitting and other physical reactions to anger and/or fear are instinctual reactions. They do not have to be learned. Probably EVERY child ever born went through a phase where they hit or slapped or bit or kicked. In fact, if I had a child that never never went through this phase, I'd be extremely worried what was wrong with them.

Admittedly, most will grow out of it while they are still very young. But my point is that you people are judging a woman based on something that you know NOTHING about. Not just the 2 people I quoted, but most people (not all) who have posted on this thread. How many of you have successfully raised a child through the death of a sibling without seeing any problems arise? Oh yeah, don't forget that you are doing this all while attempting to cope with your own grief over the loss of a child.

I'm guessing most of you aren't even parents, much less having been through a situation like this.

What do you think when someone who knows nothing about snakes starts telling you how cruel you are to your snake because you don't provide them with a big roomy hide (or some similar piece of nonsense)? You think they are uneducated on the subject, and an idiot for speaking out about something they know nothing about, right? Well, guess what....

I also think maybe everyone has forgotten that this is TV. They took the most dramatic clips they could find out of probably hours of recording, and put them together to make their episode. Then the most dramatic of those became this little sound byte. How many of you can honestly say that you have never had a moment with a parent or child or sibling or SO or... that looked similar to this? Maybe not the physical strike, but from what little I've seen of Dr. Phil's shows, it seems like his method is to make people explode, which at least gets everything out in to the open, and then work from there. And from what both the child & the mom said, it sounds like he's never hit her before.

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Originally Posted by starmom

I try hard in these types of posts to create an intellectual discussions- can't be done I think.

Sound byte = knee jerk; Opinions based on NO experience; very little compassion overall..... crazazy and sad world.................

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So why am I trying? I dunno.

AHAHAHAHAHAH thats hilarious man if u slap ur mom u might as well slap her hard cause u know its gonna b the last time ur gonna be doing it lol

I wonder if the kid's father is abusive? If he is learning this from the father, then he has to be taught that this is NOT the way to live. If the son sees dad treat mom like that, what's the logical way that they'll treat her? If mom is a submissive who expects no better in life, and would let her husband or son treat her like this.. IMO, She is the one who needs therapy the most! (the kid too, to learn that this is not healthy.) This is just the way I see it, knowing several men that have grown up in abusive conditions and gone on to abuse their wives/girlfriends.

Poor mom can do nothing about it either. At least not on camera!

I *personally* do not agree with hitting children to make a point and certainly not when the offense was hitting. It reinforces that hitting is ok. Now there have been times that my son has not listened to direction and i have spanked his diapered bottom but not hard, just enough to hurt his feelings and get him to straighten up, that being said hes almost 4 and never gets any kind of physical dicipline, if he doesnt listen he goes to time out and those are few and far between believe it or not. Im not saying down the road hes going to be as well behaved as he is today but I do know that bringing a child up with proper dicipline and positive reinforcment instead of constant put-downs at least helps build a good foundation for the children involved. I was rarely hit by my mother and never by my father and I turned out pretty darn good.

Every child is different, every parent-child relationship is different. i watched the whole segment that day and actually felt bad for the little kid, Dr. Phil brought out some good comments to the mother during their private talk about how she wished the daughter had been the one to live, hes being punished for living basically. The mother is just as guilty as the son IMO in this situation, she was down right mean to him in certain parts. I really felt bad for him. Im not condoning him having hit his mother, I certainly believe that is wrong for any child but considering the circumstances and his reaction after he hit her (almost ducked as if to miss a hit back) hes been pushed to the brink, some kind of negative response its to be expected.

The main problem I saw with that was that the child had no clue how to express his feelings outside of verbal and physical abuse. This is partly due to his age and maturity level but also because he is merely a mimicking how he "interprets" what is being shown to him as an Ok form of expression of emotion's. Children can't be expected to fully understand how to express themselves even though they have the same feelings as an adult they lack a way to properly show those feelings. When parents are unwilling to listen then children learn that its ok to ignore the feelings of others. Parents should learn how to discipline on a child level and not react as if they were reacting to an adult.

I agree I don't hit my children for discipline and only watching what the producers want us to watch is hard to know what is really going on. There has to be more behind this than just the kid slapping his mother. i did not watch the segment but I felt bad for the kid as he seems to be really torn inside about something. Still stand behind what I said though. Parents are afraid to discipline their children for fear that they may lose them.

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Originally Posted by kc261

You people are wrong. Hitting and other physical reactions to anger and/or fear are instinctual reactions. They do not have to be learned. Probably EVERY child ever born went through a phase where they hit or slapped or bit or kicked. In fact, if I had a child that never never went through this phase, I'd be extremely worried what was wrong with them.

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Neither of my boys EVER hit, bit, kicked, exc.. never. They are almost 4 & 2, and no aside from a health condition (that does NOT effect behavior) there is nothing wrong with either of them. Just because other people have different views/opinions do not make them (including myself) wrong. I do not agree with your instincutual reaction comment either, i do not believe its instinct at all. Hitting, biting, kicking, exc is a learned behavior. If they do it once or twice experimenting thats one thing, but for a child to have a problem with those things.. thats learned

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Parents should learn how to discipline on a child level and not react as if they were reacting to an adult.

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Well said!