Rescue.. Well here we go...

Well my son and i took on a rescue of two BPs.. The larger is my son's and he is a bit under fed. Mine has "blow outs" on his scales and pink spots on his tummy. They have been living together for 6 months. So we have kept them away from ours and tomorrow we will be taking them to a vet tomorrow. wish us luck. The guy gave them to us for 50 each and we just could not see them sit there and die.. They were only looked after once a week and no heater or temp guage. They are our largest but saddest. I can only hope for the best. I will try for pics here soon.

from the sounds of it i wouldnt have given him $50 each...
maybe $50 for both... but atleast they are in good care...

being underfed isnt bad, but yours sounds to be in sad condition... good luck. if i didnt have so many snakes, i would prolly be doing the same thing...

:gj: Kudos to you for taking them in! I'm sure they'll being doing much better soon.

here are the pics the two we rescued.
sorry they ar'nt that good,

The Norm.
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...s/DSC01956.jpg

The Axanthic
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...s/DSC01957.jpg

The axanthic hasnt even come out of her hide... :(
but the norm, looks to be fine, but he is a little skinny...

Axanthic? :rolleye2:

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Originally Posted by JASBALLS

Axanthic? :rolleye2:

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DITTO!!!

I will rescue her if you need! heck I will even throw in a few more bucks!!!

yes its a axanthic.
but shes in really reallly rough condition.

who told you it is an axanthic? Post some pics.. I dont care how rough it looks. I'm sure I can handle it!

It's sad so many BPs need to be rescued. Good luck with them.

Here is more pics of the axanthic.
again bad lighting, bad pictures, but here they are...



http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...s/DSC01986.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...s/DSC01988.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...s/DSC01991.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...s/DSC02000.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...s/DSC02003.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...s/DSC02004.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...s/DSC02005.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...s/DSC02006.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...s/DSC02017.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...s/DSC02019.jpg

Thats a normal. This is an axanthic...

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...lls1/053-2.jpg

yeah, it is a normal unless you meant het or the colour on your camera is screwed up.

Yea... not axanthic. No matter, they look in need of some TLC. Best of luck

If you had to pay for them - it's not a rescue its a purchase. It's a nice thing to do - sure - but what you've really done is reinforced irresponsible behavior.

Aside from being skinny and a little belly rot - they don't look too bad - a few meals and they should be good to go. Bet the "axanthic" will color up real nice with some TLC.

Good luck with them!

It does look to be brownish but really the lighting and and the pics didnt show the true color..
I would have taken pics outside but we had a gully washer come through and now the sun is gone and all rain. It really does look like the pic you showed. But then again I am only going off of what the shop owner said and he wasnt taken care of them at all.
So this morning the wife is calling and going to try to get them in.

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Originally Posted by Tosha_Mc

If you had to pay for them - it's not a rescue its a purchase. It's a nice thing to do - sure - but what you've really done is reinforced irresponsible behavior.

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I disagree. Only on the surface is it a purchase. At it's heart it is a rescue.

Absolutely.

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Originally Posted by Tosha_Mc

If you had to pay for them - it's not a rescue its a purchase. It's a nice thing to do - sure - but what you've really done is reinforced irresponsible behavior.

Aside from being skinny and a little belly rot - they don't look too bad - a few meals and they should be good to go. Bet the "axanthic" will color up real nice with some TLC.

Good luck with them!

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Well its like this. I let them sit and die a long miserable death. Because our state doesnt do crap for reptiles as far as protecting them. If I had the guts I would have beat the guy within a inch of his life for letting this happen. But I dont like violence and I dont want jail and our state bites with the laws till they change. I am going to be writing letters. So it is a save. I really had no room and didnt need or want the 2 of them. I really dont care if I had to pay or if they are normal or not. I just could not see them staying there suffering. It may have not been the smartest buy but I felt I had to do something. They will be loved just the same as all my other snakes..

I agree ^^
The moment you chose to enter the store is the moment you took on responsibility for anything you might see.
You did take responsibility by 'saving' 2 snakes.
These stores will only go out of business when people stop walking through their front doors.

it was a rescue.
most def.

the guy who "took care" of them,
left them in horrible conditions.

id "over-pay" for them, just to save them.
its a axanthic.
looks just like the picture, but the pictures we took, dont show the true colors.

not only does its color look darker, but the rot and scabs, in the pictures, seem to look "better".

these pictures, dont show the snakes true colors.

I'm not sold on the axanthic part. It looks like a light normal. All the same... what does it really matter?

You can't prove it one way or the other unless you bred it out. If your camera takes horrible pics, I'm not sure why it was brought up other than "I got an axanthic for practically nothin!"

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

I'm not sold on the axanthic part. It looks like a light normal. All the same... what does it really matter?

You can't prove it one way or the other unless you bred it out. If your camera takes horrible pics, I'm not sure why it was brought up other than "I got an axanthic for practically nothin!"

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err... wow?
that wasnt really the whole idea of this post...
but if thats what you got out of it...

All I'm saying is it doesn't matter if it's an axanthic or not. He just needs some care and attention to get him back healed and in his full glory. :gj:

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

All I'm saying is it doesn't matter if it's an axanthic or not. He just needs some care and attention to get him back healed and in his full glory. :gj:

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THERE YA GO!:D
lol
thats all we bassically were talking about...
the axanthic part, just poped up in a question...

Update.. Looks like my son's large BP is going to be good.. He actually ate 1 LRG & 1 SM rat..:O
Fatty.. :D
Mine the rough female is in shed. The vet said that after a few sheds and kept in a clean cage along with this Iodine solution and warm water rub downs it should we hope clear up.:gj:

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Originally Posted by WaRocker

Update.. Looks like my son's large BP is going to be good.. He actually ate 1 LRG & 1 SM rat..:O
Fatty.. :D
Mine the rough female is in shed. The vet said that after a few sheds and kept in a clean cage along with this Iodine solution and warm water rub downs it should we hope clear up.:gj:

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He ate both a large and small rat on the same day? That is a lot of food for a male. Even my largest girls just get smalls......

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Originally Posted by WaRocker

Update.. Looks like my son's large BP is going to be good.. He actually ate 1 LRG & 1 SM rat..:O
Fatty.. :D
Mine the rough female is in shed. The vet said that after a few sheds and kept in a clean cage along with this Iodine solution and warm water rub downs it should we hope clear up.:gj:

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Yowzer.... :O
Only my breeder females get a medium rat- all the rest get small rats, every 7 days.
Why would you feed him so much?

Well for the reason he was underfed. They were together and the small rat was for my girl at the time. He struck it and ate it with no problem. This is not a habbit I plan on keeping but as I was trying feed the other she hid (i didnt know she was about to go "blue" eye) So then as she hid he came out and struck it with force. Now mind you again theye were only together due to this is how I had bought them and I figured they have been this way for 6 months what is 3 days more going to do. Plus it was easier to keep away from my other healthy snakes. So after the check up yesterday they were seperated and now each hav their own 40gal tank. She is in shed so shes not eating like normal.
He is healthy and I think was just making up for lost food. Trust me its not a huge deal. Snakes and all animals stop when they are full. You stop.. Well I hope so anyways. So it was a bit much but again not something that will happen again. Limit 1 large per week. Unless he's hungry:D

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Originally Posted by WaRocker

Trust me its not a huge deal. Snakes and all animals stop when they are full.

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Do they now?

Google
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/20...b__430x295.jpg

nice connie.

hmm. about the medium and small rat meal. i have heard its better to feed smaller than you think they need becuase it takes them less energy to digest a smaller meal vs. a med. and small rat at once which they will use up more energy digesting a meal like that. they would end up getting more energy and nutrients from the smaller meal...

correct me if wrong.

Littleindiangirl,

Not to disclaim your argument, but that's a bad example to support your argument. It was determined that another Alligator killed the snake and the belly burst open during the decomposition process. It wasn't because the prey itme was too big.

And WaRocker,

You really don't need to overfeed in an attempt to "catch up." I have learned first hand that offering an oversized meal can lead to a rediculously long fast.

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Originally Posted by MasonC2K

Littleindiangirl,

Not to disclaim your argument, but that's a bad example to support your argument. It was determined that another Alligator killed the snake and the belly burst open during the decomposition process. It wasn't because the prey itme was too big.

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LOL, well point taken. Last I heard they weren't sure what actually killed the animal.

How's this for another example. My dog would kill himself on dog food if he ever got to a full bag. :P He's tried

Here's more food for thought. What would you consider full? A full to capacity stomach or an adequate meal?

I can technically be full from a sandwich and drink (if my brain kicks in and tells me so), but my stomach can handle the sandwich, the drink, some ice cream, chips, maybe another sandwich, oh and hot yummy frenchfries. I wouldnt feel very good, but my stomach is full to the brim and I'll live to eat another day.

Does it mean it's a good thing to eat that way? ;)

(the dog example was just silly)

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Originally Posted by DSGB

nice connie.

hmm. about the medium and small rat meal. i have heard its better to feed smaller than you think they need becuase it takes them less energy to digest a smaller meal vs. a med. and small rat at once which they will use up more energy digesting a meal like that. they would end up getting more energy and nutrients from the smaller meal...

correct me if wrong.

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So your saying if you eat a smaller meal you get healthier from it?:weirdface

So I ate 2 apples and you ate 1 now your have better health right:confused:

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Originally Posted by MasonC2K

Littleindiangirl,

Not to disclaim your argument, but that's a bad example to support your argument. It was determined that another Alligator killed the snake and the belly burst open during the decomposition process. It wasn't because the prey itme was too big.

And WaRocker,

You really don't need to overfeed in an attempt to "catch up." I have learned first hand that offering an oversized meal can lead to a rediculously long fast.

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Wow Wow Wow!! I am not trying to over feed to catch up. That would be crazy and wrong. Maybe you should read the post better..

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

LOL, well point taken. Last I heard they weren't sure what actually killed the animal.

How's this for another example. My dog would kill himself on dog food if he ever got to a full bag. :P He's tried

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Wow so your dog would sit and eat a whole 40 pound bag in one sitting? Then die?:O
Or you think he would stop if he was full?

If I put 4 pizzas in front of you are you going to eat them all? Then die?:O

Again .. I am not trying to over feed him. He did however take the food and had no problems with it. It will not be his normal diet. Stuffed he is. But I am sure in the wild they never ever eat more than one food in a week huh :rolleyes:

Oh and last before the hate mail comes:mad:

The vet I took him to the day after his HUGE:rolleyes: feeding told me.. "Hey if you have not ate for a long time you to would tend to stuff yourself huh".
He knew it was not a thing I was tending to keep happening. But he said it was to be expected and not a big deal.:rage:

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Originally Posted by WaRocker

Wow so your dog would sit and eat a whole 40 pound bag in one sitting? Then die?:O

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Yes he would, no doubt about it.

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Originally Posted by WaRocker

Oh and last before the hate mail comes:mad:

The vet I took him to the day after his HUGE:rolleyes: feeding told me.. "Hey if you have not ate for a long time you to would tend to stuff yourself huh".
He knew it was not a thing I was tending to keep happening. But he said it was to be expected and not a big deal.:rage:

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I think you're trying to do the right thing for these snakes (and that is awesome!)

but... you moved the male after feeding him a large meal? and to go to the -vet?- i wouldnt do that very often. Its probably very very stressful for the snake. The times my girl has gone to the vet its been well before or well after a feeding, even if it means shes hungry for a few days. I hope he doesnt regurge for you.

The reason people give rescues smaller meals is because normally you dont know how well they've been feeding, what they've been fed, etc. (even if the previous owner says one thing, they obvously weren't taking good care of the animal so you probably shouldnt trust what they have to say anyway). The snakes would be stressed and underfed. they may have regurged previously or are eating small prey items. you dont want to shock their systems by giving them a large item and having them really have to work it down. working up to an appropriate sized prey item from a small one is how its done (i think). Ive had to coach people through this but i've never had rescues myself ( yet, i hope to do rescues when i've got the room).

People arent attacking you, they, like you, just want whats best for the snake and for it to make a happy, healthy recovery.

best of luck with them!

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Originally Posted by WaRocker

So your saying if you eat a smaller meal you get healthier from it?:weirdface

So I ate 2 apples and you ate 1 now your have better health right:confused:

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Apples??? what????

my anatomy is completely different than a ball python.

im saying it is much easier for a SNAKE:snake: to digest a smaller meal (ex. 1 small rat per week) VS. a large meal (ex. 1 medium rat followed by a small rat) Less stress on the snake = happy snake.

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Originally Posted by DSGB

Apples??? what????

my anatomy is completely different than a ball python.

im saying it is much easier for a SNAKE:snake: to digest a smaller meal (ex. 1 small rat per week) VS. a large meal (ex. 1 medium rat followed by a small rat) Less stress on the snake = happy snake.

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Hey just replying to what ya said.

"They would end up getting more energy and nutrients from the smaller meal..."

I was just curious how they get more "nutrients from a smaller meal"? This is where the whole apples thing comes into play..

Now if your just talking about size of meal.. well yes, A smaller meal will digest faster because it is smaller and they will have more energy. Huh , kinda like us.. If I pork out I would be sluggish and take longer to digest due to I ate more.. That part was not rocket science. I do understand that :gj:

Now for the whole me feeding them before going..
The vet said it was :gj:. So I will listen to my vet who has been doing this for 40 years and has all the college backing.
I think he knew what he was saying. Like he said they need to eat. and no matter if they have a vet appt they would be stressed anyway getteing moved to see them. It was not like we held them all day and played catch :rofl:. Just picked him up looked him over and then put him back in the mobile tub for him.

Anyways.....

We really didnt have a name for them yet.. So far we named the girl "lucky" and the boy "duck" ..
Not sure if that will stick but who knows...I will try to post pics of the progress of my girl. Plus better pics of the boy ...

On top of all of this my first BP had a swee shed and is looking so sharp:gj: If I must say so myself. Now to get the sand boa,corn,& milk to shed the same.. All were in shed at the same time.

I have a 700g male that went off food all winter. I finally got him to eat an adult mouse. Since he will not eat rats (right now anyway) I am offering him mice every 5 days. Getting him to eat smaller meals more offten will help him catch up for his 6 month fast..... A big meal may just make him go into another fast...

err... wow wow wow

i think everyone, who is NOT READING COMPLETLY needs to.
because we ARE doing the right things.
taking steps, reading up, and asking our vet.
we are not trying to "FATTEN" him up.
he ate 1 large rat, and it left a SLIGHT buldge in his stomach,
and he TOOK, the other one.

we are really doing the right thing, even though "YOU" may not think we are.

we have many snakes, and we know it was a KINDA crazy meal for this guy... and i highly doubt it till be that extreeme ever again.

he is a VERY large male.
the vet said the meal was fine.
and he looked healthy and everything we did was PROPER.

we read as much as possible, to continue to learn more and more.
and if we dont know, we ask people on here, or our vet.

im done....