could too much humidity cause?

temps are right but feeding is still sporatic,males off feed female is going on a month,pastel refused mouse today but I usally feed on monday & it was a small mouse,everything seems perfect???

I doubt that it's the humidity. Can you describe your setup, previous feeding schedule, how often you handle them, etc? What time of day do you feed and do you pre-scent?

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I doubt that it's the humidity. Can you describe your setup, previous feeding schedule, how often you handle them, etc? What time of day do you feed and do you pre-scent?

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I see these questions asked all the time.. Its Bull! They will eat when temps are perfect.. They will Not eat when temps are perfect! They will eat in the morning.. They will eat at noon. They will eat at night! They will eat if you pre scent the room. They wont eat if you pre scent the room.. They will go off feed for 9 months.. They wont go off feed for 9 months! They will breed at 150g. They wont breed at 150g. Bottom line is.. NO ONE KNOWS!! So everyone needs to Stop with all the false info here!

Just venting lol! No Offence to anyone!!

Jas- calm down ;)
I agree with everything you've said except the pre-scenting :)
My snakes (not the boas though) have a much better feeding response when I pre-scent~ and that makes logical sense :P

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Jas- calm down ;)
I agree with everything you've said except the pre-scenting :)
My snakes (not the boas though) have a much better feeding response when I pre-scent~ and that makes logical sense :P

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Dont you get it? What works in Oregon, May not work in NY!! ETC..

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Dont you get it? What works in Oregon, May not work in NY!! ETC..

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Yeah, that's true. Oregon has nice clean air and so the snakes can really get the scent of the rats. NY city stinks all own its own and the air is already filled with the fine smell of rodentia.... (hiding under my table now to protect myself from the heat of the flames :rofl:)

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Yeah, that's true. Oregon has nice clean air and so the snakes can really get the scent of the rats. NY city stinks all own its own and the air is already filled with the fine smell of rodentia.... (hiding under my table now to protect myself from the heat of the flames :rofl:)

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I didnt think you would get it..:(

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I see these questions asked all the time.. Its Bull! They will eat when temps are perfect.. They will Not eat when temps are perfect! They will eat in the morning.. They will eat at noon. They will eat at night! They will eat if you pre scent the room. They wont eat if you pre scent the room.. They will go off feed for 9 months.. They wont go off feed for 9 months! They will breed at 150g. They wont breed at 150g. Bottom line is.. NO ONE KNOWS!! So everyone needs to Stop with all the false info here!

Just venting lol! No Offence to anyone!!

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haha. JAS your awesome.

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Bottom line is.. NO ONE KNOWS!! So everyone needs to Stop with all the false info here!

Just venting lol! No Offence to anyone!!

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LOL... Jas forgot to take his chill pill this morning. Seriously, though, *I* KNOW! And so do you and many others on this site. Take a look at my questions. They're all very generic and in no way do I say one thing must be changed in order to make it "work". I'm just trying to get an idea of the snakes environment. How many times have you seen questions like this and it turns out that someone has it in a cage with a heat rock and a Bearded Dragon, or they play with their snake 12 hours a day, or they feed a yearling a large rat every 3 days, etc. I'm just trying to ask questions to rule out any obvious problems.

Besides, sometimes people just want reassurance and a few suggestions with a new pet to put their mind at ease. Nothing wrong with helping people out, now is there?

Yeah jas just chill bro. :relax: Some people just do need the reassurance so they feel better about whatever situation they are having with their ball at the time.. But anyways whats the setup, temps, feeding schedule?

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I didnt think you would get it..:(

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Wow....crazy....
I think y'all secretly want to move west! :D

I think what Jas is saying is that it could be a multitude of things, and no one thing could be the specific reason for any and all animals to do anything!!!

It's all dependant on the animal itself.

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I think what Jas is saying is that it could be a multitude of things, and no one thing could be the specific reason for any and all animals to do anything!!!

It's all dependant on the animal itself.

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Or it could just be one thing. Honestly, I'm not sure what the point of John's reply was. His bottom line was "NO ONE KNOWS", which is true but that doesn't mean we can't offer assistance, suggestions and guidance. Or should we just rubber stamp every request for assistance on this site with a "NO ONE KNOWS"? :rolleyes:

Not at all, but most of the answers are speculation...

Every effort should be made to deduce the problem, but without being there and seeing everything, it is all just speculation.

Jas,is right they do what they do, I have everything by the book perfect temps,tubs,rack use a temp gun ect.,trying real hard to feed on sunday or mondays if they don't eat skip till next week I don't handle them or mess with them,the only proplem I have is with the right size prey item,I think that could have caused some proplems too big of rats & a off schedule feedings,I am breeding my own mice & rats now & can feed the right size rats at the right time,enless they won't eat then I will be overran with rodents!!:),that's why I avoided balls for a long time because of feeding issues but im serious this time hopefully I work it out!

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Not at all, but most of the answers are speculation...

Every effort should be made to deduce the problem, but without being there and seeing everything, it is all just speculation.

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Of course, nobody said there was a specific answer to his problems or any problem out there. We can just offer advice on what we've learned may work, which is why so many people come here... to seek the advice of others more experienced. I think John was just ranting because he was tired of seeing the same questions pop up again and again with the same responses about asking general questions. Although if that's the way he feels, I don't know why he didn't just skip reading the message altogether. :confused:

Also Im not a novice like some people & some kids that ask qustions here I have bred corn snakes for years,spotted turtles also I keep my reptiles clean & healthy,some of the stupid questions on here make me laugh sometimes,maybe mine seem dumb too but Im frustrated with the Balls when my corns eat till they will burst!!

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I see these questions asked all the time.. Its Bull! They will eat when temps are perfect.. They will Not eat when temps are perfect! They will eat in the morning.. They will eat at noon. They will eat at night! They will eat if you pre scent the room. They wont eat if you pre scent the room.. They will go off feed for 9 months.. They wont go off feed for 9 months! They will breed at 150g. They wont breed at 150g. Bottom line is.. NO ONE KNOWS!! So everyone needs to Stop with all the false info here!

Just venting lol! No Offence to anyone!!

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Wow. So, what's your advice?

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Not at all, but most of the answers are speculation...

Every effort should be made to deduce the problem, but without being there and seeing everything, it is all just speculation.

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I think this is exactly what Lawrence was trying to point out. If a person comes on and says, "My temps and set up are perfect but the snake won't eat...what do I do?" If we just assume his temps and set up really ARE "perfect" then that is speculation on our part and no answer we give is any more likely to help than another.

However...if we ask them to specify what they are calling "perfect" we can often find common mistakes that can be rectified and MIGHT help the snake start eating again. What's wrong with asking those questions and trying to get a clearer picture of the snake's environment???

I really, really don't get Jas's tirade here. If anyone finds such requests for help and then the request for more detailed information to be tedious and too onerous for their own efforts....then skip the thread and move on to something else. Or find a site that doesn't cater to new people just starting out.

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Also Im not a novice like some people & some kids that ask qustions here I have bred corn snakes for years,spotted turtles also I keep my reptiles clean & healthy,some of the stupid questions on here make me laugh sometimes,maybe mine seem dumb too but Im frustrated with the Balls when my corns eat till they will burst!!

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I know it seems like many of the questions asked and suggestions given may seem extremely elementary to someone wtih a great deal of breeding experience with multiple reptile species....but you have to remember that THIS site is designed to help those who are brand new to this hobby. Sometimes we have to break it down into very basic and simple concepts to help them begin to build a solid foundation of knowledge.....rather than just assume they know it all already.

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What's wrong with asking those questions and trying to get a clearer picture of the snake's environment???

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Absolutely nothing... I was trying to interpret what Jas is saying. And to a degree, what I said is true, and I do not disagree with offering up possibilities at all. I do it all the time :D

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I know it seems like many of the questions asked and suggestions given may seem extremely elementary to someone wtih a great deal of breeding experience with multiple reptile species....but you have to remember that THIS site is designed to help those who are brand new to this hobby. Sometimes we have to break it down into very basic and simple concepts to help them begin to build a solid foundation of knowledge.....rather than just assume they know it all already.

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I don't think anyone can forget that with so many new people joining up every day :)

:) Just try to remember what you felt like, and how many questions you had, when you got your first Ball Python. Take that memory and keep it in mind whenever you see those newbie questions. It really helps cut back on the auto reaction of 'OMG that question is so simple/stupid!' that leads to sometimes overly complicated answers or snide comments.

Some things can be easily answered, such as temp issues and setup problems. But others, like strange behaviors, take a bit more time, effort, and probing to get to the bottom of. Sometimes, after determining all the specs, the only answer to those problems is simply 'it must be something your snake does'. :)

The key in answering any question, other than knowledge, is patience. Especially when dealing with a panicky, confused newbie.

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I see these questions asked all the time.. Its Bull!

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Why is it me??

Seriously, good stuff though I agree.:gj:

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I think this is exactly what Lawrence was trying to point out. If a person comes on and says, "My temps and set up are perfect but the snake won't eat...what do I do?" If we just assume his temps and set up really ARE "perfect" then that is speculation on our part and no answer we give is any more likely to help than another.

However...if we ask them to specify what they are calling "perfect" we can often find common mistakes that can be rectified and MIGHT help the snake start eating again. What's wrong with asking those questions and trying to get a clearer picture of the snake's environment???

I really, really don't get Jas's tirade here. If anyone finds such requests for help and then the request for more detailed information to be tedious and too onerous for their own efforts....then skip the thread and move on to something else. Or find a site that doesn't cater to new people just starting out.




I know it seems like many of the questions asked and suggestions given may seem extremely elementary to someone wtih a great deal of breeding experience with multiple reptile species....but you have to remember that THIS site is designed to help those who are brand new to this hobby. Sometimes we have to break it down into very basic and simple concepts to help them begin to build a solid foundation of knowledge.....rather than just assume they know it all already.

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Judy, What tirade? I said I was just venting.. My way of breaking it down to newbies= I see these questions asked all the time.. Its Bull! They will eat when temps are perfect.. They will Not eat when temps are perfect! They will eat in the morning.. They will eat at noon. They will eat at night! They will eat if you pre scent the room. They wont eat if you pre scent the room.. They will go off feed for 9 months.. They wont go off feed for 9 months! They will breed at 150g. They wont breed at 150g. Bottom line is.. NO ONE KNOWS!! So everyone needs to Stop with all the false info here!

You should sticky this post! LOL..


Actually, My problem is most of the people here that ask those questions try to answer them like they know something. and two days later ask something similar. Because they really dont know in the first place! So If I should have moved on with out replying to this post. So should MOST of you, To all questions asked about keeping ball pythons!

Lawerence, My post had nothing to do with you.. I just saw it and went with it. Sorry Man!

Just new to keeping ball pythons everything seems perfect but Jas summed it up they do what they do each snake is different,sorry I won't ask any more stupid questions.

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...sorry I won't ask any more stupid questions.

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Yeah, sheesh, enough with those...just ask the smart one's :rofl:
j/k of course !!

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Just new to keeping ball pythons everything seems perfect but Jas summed it up they do what they do each snake is different,sorry I won't ask any more stupid questions.

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Ask all the questions you want/need too! Just make sure your getting the REAL answers~! Not the same old "trip to the vet" "95 hot side" "Your humidity is to low" Your humidity is to high".... Try and learn from YOUR snake not everyone elses's PERFECT NEVER HAD A PROBLEM "UNTIL NOW "snake!

Maybe there should be a newbie section in the bp area. I know what Jas is saying, for sure. I think that if the search engine was used more then there would be less of the repetitive posts. Everyone has questions, even the experienced keeper. There seem to be some rubber stamp answers that always pop up. My bp and your bp may have completely needs based on the individual. Sometimes I think they don't eat cause they just don't feel like it. For everyone who thinks they know how their snake feels or why they do certain things, then it must be nice to be a snake whisperer. People should continue to ask, and i'm sure we will collectively continue to give the same responses. Newbies definitely DON'T STOP ASKING. We all want your animals to do well, and for you to enjoy keeping them. This will probably come across as rambling, but hey we're just talking here.

Its just agravating that they go on & off feed,after I spent close to $500 bucks for the rack & stat & bins to do it right,some guys stick them in a 20 long with a heat lamp & have no proplems I try to do it right pay top dollar for my snakes & I have proplems Thanks for the critasism,Its just trail & erra on my part I figure it out,even if I have to try ASF's :).

They will come around for you whenever they are ready. If your basic husbandry is solid, then just keep doin what you are doin.

its Monday I prescented for 3 hours with a little dirty rat bedding,put in my rat pups & still not taking them,so I guess I will try again next week hope my rats won't grow to big in a week,all my balls are of feed know:confused:

they are all off feed now??? should I try again in a few days or wait till next week,also the snakes are very shy acting threatened by the rat pups,they aare all in the 500g range should i get a smaller hill im using the zilla large hid now.maybe go down to a small.?