Question about BumbleBee Ball Pythons

I was wondering how much a bumblebee ball python is going for? A male bumblebee? A female? I'm wondering because I hope to produce them not next year but the following year and want to know how much they are worth now.

like 1500 right now... in 2 yrs... 750 if were lucky

You can get Bumbles now for $1000 easy - by the end of the year you'll see them for $700ish - I wouldn't be surprised if you couldn't pick up an ugly one after Daytona for $500ish. ;)

Depends on the quality and the sex. A bright one (like made with a lemon) and a female and you can easily pay 1200-1500 for one. Drops down from there.

08s are 900ea on kingsnake or 1700/pr from Jons Jungle

I think it will depend a lot on quality. Sure you can get one for $1000, but all the ones I've seen at that price were low quality as far as coloring goes. And I fail to see the point in owning a bumble bee that isn't any more yellow than a regular spider when they grow up.

As with any morph, you get what you pay for

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Originally Posted by blueapplepaste

I think it will depend a lot on quality. Sure you can get one for $1000, but all the ones I've seen at that price were low quality as far as coloring goes. And I fail to see the point in owning a bumble bee that isn't any more yellow than a regular spider when they grow up.

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Originally Posted by West Coast Jungle

As with any morph, you get what you pay for

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Absolutely :gj:

Come to Europe and you´ll seel them for good money.

I was in Expoterraria in Barcelona (Spain) last weekend and they costed €2.400 (around $ 3.850, if I´m not mistaken: 1€= $1.6).

But just look at the beauties this German breeder had with the Bbee:

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4...f031311la5.jpg

By the way, the Black Eyed leucistic was € 5.200 and the pieds € 3.200

What a nice rack set-up, I want one!!!

It's not a rack set up, it's to display snakes at a show. They don't live in there permanently.

it would look really sweet though if you could just stack them better (and by doing so cover the top) and open them from the front
You'd need a lip on the bottom though to keep the substrate in

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Originally Posted by SatanicIntention

It's not a rack set up, it's to display snakes at a show. They don't live in there permanently.

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Originally Posted by blueapplepaste

I think it will depend a lot on quality. Sure you can get one for $1000, but all the ones I've seen at that price were low quality as far as coloring goes. And I fail to see the point in owning a bumble bee that isn't any more yellow than a regular spider when they grow up.

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Absolutely - but how many do you see that are even worth the $1K - very few (IMO) - I do think that this year we will see an overabundance of bumblebees - sadly very few of which will be selectively bred for color and pattern. Those that are will have a hard time competing with those that will look like a $200 spider in a year.

Bumblebees are one of my favorite morphs and I was wondering what the price range was as well. I am looking to get an albino male is sept possibly from Corey Woods for $800-$900, but I will have to see what he produces and what else I can find around that time.

I plan on producing one of these in the next few years, but I have come the realization that they won't be worth nearly as much money then.
I am trying to get into the mindset that if I break even with my breeding efforts, then I will be happy. The market drops so quickly.

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Originally Posted by Papa Burgundy

I plan on producing one of these in the next few years, but I have come the realization that they won't be worth nearly as much money then.
I am trying to get into the mindset that if I break even with my breeding efforts, then I will be happy. The market drops so quickly.

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That's absolutely how you have to proceed with a hobby. My view used to be "if a break even, that's great". Now, after having acquired BP's like candy, my realization is "this is slightly cheaper than a drug habit" :)

JonV

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Originally Posted by Jenn

What a nice rack set-up, I want one!!!

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Ditto!! and the snakes in it. :rolleye2:

If you go look on kingsnake you will find the very ugly grey toped bees, which, like browned out pastels, will not sell fast/ for much. when I go for a bee I want it to be yellow!

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Originally Posted by nevohraalnavnoj

That's absolutely how you have to proceed with a hobby. My view used to be "if a break even, that's great". Now, after having acquired BP's like candy, my realization is "this is slightly cheaper than a drug habit" :)

JonV

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Depends on the drug used lol. :rofl:

I don't think the market on good quality bees will drop very quickly. Low quality bees could easily sell at half the value of the good High quality ones. One thing that has to be looked at is what the cost of the morphs to make a bee will be. Lemon pastels have leveled as I think the spider has hit its bottom. Also the spider wobble/spinning characteristics could play an important part if it can be either: A. removed or B. gets worse as these animals are bred in captivity. Then how the reproduction of the morph works. While you can increase your odds of producing bees by breeding bee to bee you still don't end up with 100% offspring being bees. But you do gain additional chances at the killer bee! :D

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Originally Posted by Tosha_Mc

Absolutely - but how many do you see that are even worth the $1K - very few (IMO) - I do think that this year we will see an overabundance of bumblebees - sadly very few of which will be selectively bred for color and pattern. Those that are will have a hard time competing with those that will look like a $200 spider in a year.

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I don't think high quality bees will have a hard time competing with the lower quality ones. Sure some people will pick one up as cheap as possible, thinking they'll make some money in a few years only to be disappointed because they don't see a difference between their bee and a spider.

For people who are picky with their bps, they will pay top dollar for a top specimen. I know I would. If anything I see the lower end ones probably being harder to sell once the market gets flooded with mediocre ones, where as top notch ones will still be somewhat rarer.

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Originally Posted by Gloryhound

I don't think the market on good quality bees will drop very quickly. Low quality bees could easily sell at half the value of the good High quality ones. One thing that has to be looked at is what the cost of the morphs to make a bee will be. Lemon pastels have leveled as I think the spider has hit its bottom. Also the spider wobble/spinning characteristics could play an important part if it can be either: A. removed or B. gets worse as these animals are bred in captivity. Then how the reproduction of the morph works. While you can increase your odds of producing bees by breeding bee to bee you still don't end up with 100% offspring being bees. But you do gain additional chances at the killer bee! :D

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it seems to me that there need to be more spiderxspider breedings...I want a homozygous bee!

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Originally Posted by soy.lor.n

it seems to me that there need to be more spiderxspider breedings...I want a homozygous bee!

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Due to issues of wobbles and spinning I think this kind of breeding could possibly make the situation worse! Also to prove it out would be difficult and each parent would have to be a known Homozygous spider. A lot of inbreeding would have to take place for the smaller breeder or the smaller breeder would have to really tie up a lot of money in the overall project that if not successful or if the wobbles/spinning became worse in his line would be a complete loss that could put a smaller breeder out of business!

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Originally Posted by soy.lor.n

it seems to me that there need to be more spiderxspider breedings...I want a homozygous bee!

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I'm sure it's been tried. I wonder if the homozygous form is lethal or if it's indistinguishable from the het form?

JonV

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Originally Posted by nevohraalnavnoj

I'm sure it's been tried. I wonder if the homozygous form is lethal or if it's indistinguishable from the het form?

JonV

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yeah I've heard people state both definitively

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Originally Posted by Gloryhound

Due to issues of wobbles and spinning I think this kind of breeding could possibly make the situation worse! Also to prove it out would be difficult and each parent would have to be a known Homozygous spider. A lot of inbreeding would have to take place for the smaller breeder or the smaller breeder would have to really tie up a lot of money in the overall project that if not successful or if the wobbles/spinning became worse in his line would be a complete loss that could put a smaller breeder out of business!

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you mean to know your bee is homozygous both parents have to be homozygous for spider?
because it doesn't make sense that you would have to know both parents are homozygous for spider in order to prove out a homozygous spider....or something...

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Originally Posted by soy.lor.n

you mean to know your bee is homozygous both parents have to be homozygous for spider?
because it doesn't make sense that you would have to know both parents are homozygous for spider in order to prove out a homozygous spider....or something...

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To prove it out no! To know the offspring is Homozygous without proving it out you would have to have proven out homozygous parents!